trying to limit the supps

[NoCalBbEr]

hey guys
I'm trying to lmit the amount of supplemet that I take. the supplements that I take right now are"

whey protein + amino acids
multi-vit + extra C and E
creatine
No 2
ZMA
anti estrogen

my goal is to gain muscle mass and to keep it. I do eat four food meals and three protein shake meals.  since I have trouble gaining mass. I do have some cheat meals. 

so my question is what supplements should I take out??   Its more of a tost up to me with ZMA and the NO2. I've always taken ZMA..\\thanks guys for the  replies

[Rimbaud]

I'd drop the anti-e (I'm assuming it's some OTC sup that's pretty expensive), ZMA, & N02.

I'd add some fish oil to the mix though (10-15 grams a day).

[thewickedtruth]

unless you're juicing there's no reason to take an anti-estrogen supplement. Estrogen actually goes along with test production and muscle growth. No estro can also inhibit your gains! ZMA and things like that not really a big fan of..

I'd suggest taking a high quality protien like Nitrean or Maximus from AtLarge Nutriton...both have a great blend of both fast acting and slow digesting protiens to make sure you're getting what you need all the time instead of having to worry about when and where you take it.

A good quality creatine or creatine HMB mix like what's found in RESULTS http://atlargenutrition.com/nutrition_detail.php?products_id=23  will keep all that good shit under control and REALLY ramp up recovery and has been giving everyone noticable gains that have been taking it..


Multi vitamins are your own personal choice..it's all pretty much the same stuff out there. I just take the one a day's from the store TWICE a day since I'm an athlete and might require alitle more of this or that in my diet that I'm missing because of how I eat (crappy)

couple that up with maybe one other recovery agent and a solid diet and you'll be good to go! The NO products and such tend to be personal choice..some people react to them well and some don't.

[NoCalBbEr]

I take fish oils twice day. i follow the high protein/high fat diet.

I use the anti- estrogen main as a  test booster. 6oxo. is there a better tesdt booster to use in place of 6 oxo??

when taking a Multi-Vit do you  need to add in extra vitamins by them self like Vit C & E ??

thanks again guys

[candidizzle]

yeah i like rim's advice on the fish oil. i think youd be better off with around 15 grams a day.

the multi vitamins could be dropped if your eating enough good raw veggies. id keep the vitamin c though..just to keep you healthy.

drop the zma and the no2, unless of course you need the no2 to get a good workout; because in that case kep the no2, or buy some caffiene tabs(that would be much cheaper).

and yes i dont think you need the anti estrogen either.

if you have trouble gaining size make sure your adding in some nutrients with thos eprotein shakes...protein alone wont make you grow if youve got high energy demands. you need some carbs and fat in there... (peanut butter and oats with some whey makes a good meal replacement)

[Tapeworm]

I'd drop the whey if you can get your protein requirements met with food (remembering that you don't need heavy protein if natural and not dieting).  I use whey right before a workout only, but don't count it as a meal tho.  It's bad when you start counting shakes as meals IMO.  Definitely drop the aminos.  Waste of money, I think.

Also drop the NO, ZMA (unless you screw/wank 3x/day), anti-E (replace with brocolli, I like it juiced raw).  Consider dropping the creatine for awhile.  You may notice no difference.

Only thing I'd keep is the vitamins, possibly the whey but not count it as a meal.  Fish oil is a good addition, but it's better to eat the fish if you can.  Also look at your sleep, alcohol consumption, and switch up your workouts.