RIP!

[G o a t b o y]

Didn't Spock say that at the end of "The Wrath of Kahn"?

Yes, as he sacrificed himself to save the ship. 

Of course it was his free choice to do so...  he wasn't forced by the government to sacrifice himself so the "many" could have a happy shiny world where everyone holds hands and sings "kumbaya" (until a criminal beats them all to death with a club).

[emn1964]

LOS ANGELES  —  Charlton Heston, who won the 1959 best actor Oscar as the chariot-racing "Ben-Hur" and portrayed Moses, Michelangelo, El Cid and other heroic figures in movie epics of the '50s and '60s, has died. He was 84...

With his large, muscular build, well-boned face and sonorous voice, Heston proved the ideal star during the period when Hollywood was filling movie screens with panoramas depicting the religious and historical past. "I have a face that belongs in another century," he often remarked.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha ..."well boned face"    hahahahahahahaha

[candidizzle]

[240 is Back]

TIM,

I think your position makes sense for a macro setting.  You remove all handguns, and in 50 yeasr, things will be statisticall safer.

The problem is, for those 50 years, as we wait for old guns to break/rust/run out of 9mm round, liife sure will suck for the law-abiding, and it'll be easy street for the criminals.

[The ChemistV2]

Yes, as he sacrificed himself to save the ship. 

Of course it was his free choice to do so...  he wasn't forced by the government to sacrifice himself so the "many" could have a happy shiny world where everyone holds hands and sings "kumbaya" (until a criminal beats them all to death with a club).

Exactly..Ha,ha. If Timfogarty had been Captain instead of Kirk, he would try to negotiate with Kahn instead of firing Photon Torpedos!

[G o a t b o y]

TIM,

I think your position makes sense for a macro setting.  You remove all handguns, and in 50 yeasr, things will be statisticall safer.

The problem is, for those 50 years, as we wait for old guns to break/rust/run out of 9mm round, liife sure will suck for the law-abiding, and it'll be easy street for the criminals.

I don't even agree with that.  Criminals will still have access to knives, clubs, and a host of other weapons.  Large unarmed men can still prey an women or the elderly, and large groups of men can still prey on individuals.  Guns are the only equalizer that allows one to properly defend oneself in these situations.

[240 is Back]

I don't even agree with that.  Criminals will still have access to knives, clubs, and a host of other weapons.  Large unarmed men can still prey an women or the elderly, and large groups of men can still prey on individuals.  Guns are the only equalizer that allows one to properly defend oneself in these situations.

Personally, I'm all for an open carry society.  And if you fuck up and break the law, you're getting 10 years of hard labor, immediately. 

I was pointing out the rough transitional phase that we'd all spend our lifetimes living thru if a gun ban was enacted.  Tim is all about "good of the masses" which is fine - but his life won't get better from it, it'll get worse.

You're right, of course.  Guns are the great equalizer.  A 110-pound woman has zero chance if two 200-pound men decide to give her some surprise sex.  Guns change that.

[SirTraps]

I dont agree with that either, look at how well we supposedly stop drugs from entering our wide open borders-prohibition on firearms would be just as bad-probably be worse. 

       Gun laws only disarm the law abiding. 

[timfogarty]

You're just being ridiculous now.  A handgun is sufficient to handle most situations.

No gun is sufficient to handle most situations.  If there are a few cases where a handgun is needed, there are also a few cases where an assault rifle is needed.  And if there are a few cases where an assault rifle is needed, then there are a few cases where a bazooka is needed.

We're in agreement that there needs to be a line, we just disagree on where the line is to be drawn.

[G o a t b o y]

I was pointing out the rough transitional phase that we'd all spend our lifetimes living thru if a gun ban was enacted.  Tim is all about "good of the masses" which is fine - but his life won't get better from it, it'll get worse.

You're right, of course.  Guns are the great equalizer.  A 110-pound woman has zero chance if two 200-pound men decide to give her some surprise sex.  Guns change that.

Even if we could reach Tim's "Japanese Utopia", where statistically homicides are less (but NOT non-existant), what about those fewer who are still victims?  What he is proposing is "we are taking away your right to defend yourself, in exchange for a statistically reduced chance of being a victim".  Basically, they are gambling with the lives of those who will still be victims under such a scheme.  I strongly believe that in a free society, the government doesn't have the RIGHT to gamble with my life, even in pursuit of some utopian "greater good".  That's the difference between people who believe in individual freedoms and socialists. 

[G o a t b o y]

No gun is sufficient to handle most situations.  If there are a few cases where a handgun is needed, there are also a few cases where an assault rifle is needed.  And if there are a few cases where an assault rifle is needed, then there are a few cases where a bazooka is needed.

I disagree.  In the current environment, a handgun is sufficient.

We're in agreement that there needs to be a line, we just disagree on where the line is to be drawn.

No, we're not.  In our "civilized society" that you keep bringing up, a handgun is sufficient, so there's no reason to have bazookas.  If we lived someplace where more firepower was required, I would be opposed to restricting heavier weapons as well.   What you're talking about is complete disarmament and taking away citizens' basic right of self-defense.

[Samourai Pizzacat]

Problem is that the 'right to selfdefense' is often used to shoot first and ask questions later, the term is too ambiguous for many.
A society in which there's about a gun per inhabitant will see more gun incidents (accidental or not) than a society where there's 1/100 gun per capita. That's just the law of numbers.

I think disarmament is too late for the US now, I do think the States would have been better of without them.

oh and the argument that 'armed' is the normal state of mankind is utter bullcrap. Although history is riddled with wars and strifes, most of the time there was actually a state of peace, the general population, except in some extreme situations, was unarmed.

Edit: ontopic, RIP Ben Hur, Heston/is was considered an arrogant and vain man and a mediocre actor among his peers. Very much suited for the larger-than-life roles he played in the 50's and 60's, he lacked finesse and empathy to deal with more human roles.

[onlyme]

She starred in a major motion picture.  That makes her an actress.

My post simply said you don't have to be an actor to know good acting.

Okay so you are right about Spears being a bad actress, and wrong about Heston.  50/50 is still a great batting average.

[dr.chimps]

Okay so you are right about Spears being a bad actress, and wrong about Heston.  50/50 is still a great batting average.

Heston was fine, but his range was really quite limited. He founded the teeth gritting school of acting. 

[Sharma]

i have many guns. it is fun to shoot things.

[G o a t b o y]

i have many guns. it is fun to shoot things.

 

You are the reason the libs make the arguments they do.  Still, I'm not about to give up my right to self-protection simply to protect people like you from yourselves.

[Fury]

HAHAHAHA he was a typical senile old American racist. his arrogance and idiocy was a joke to me.

don't rest in peace old man.

Yeah, he was really racist, what with him rallying for civil rights and marching alongside MLK. Maybe later on in life, but he also had alzheimer's. 

He probably didn't like homosexual ragheads like you though, but then again, no one does.

[Sharma]

Yeah, he was really racist, what with him rallying for civil rights and marching alongside MLK. Maybe later on in life, but he also had alzheimer's. 

He probably didn't like homosexual ragheads like you though, but then again, no one does.

oh well he worshipped a false god and is now in hell so what does it matter my female faced friend

[Moosejay]

"For the good of the many, the few may suffer."

A general from either WW 1 or 2 said this...unsure who.

[Moosejay]

Problem is that the 'right to selfdefense' is often used to shoot first and ask questions later, the term is too ambiguous for many.
A society in which there's about a gun per inhabitant will see more gun incidents (accidental or not) than a society where there's 1/100 gun per capita. That's just the law of numbers.

I think disarmament is too late for the US now, I do think the States would have been better of without them.

oh and the argument that 'armed' is the normal state of mankind is utter bullcrap. Although history is riddled with wars and strifes, most of the time there was actually a state of peace, the general population, except in some extreme situations, was unarmed.

Edit: ontopic, RIP Ben Hur, Heston/is was considered an arrogant and vain man and a mediocre actor among his peers. Very much suited for the larger-than-life roles he played in the 50's and 60's, he lacked finesse and empathy to deal with more human roles.

In all respect...some would say Arnold is viewed in exactly the same way.

[_bruce_]

oh well he worshipped a false god and is now in hell so what does it matter my female faced friend

Hopefully a nuclear-bomb will join them  

[Moosejay]

oh well he worshipped a false god and is now in hell so what does it matter my female faced friend

'Sharma'="Don't rest in  piece"...?......well, I guess you'd have to consider the source of this statement.

[Moosejay]

Oh Boy! Heston was president of an organization that believes a law abiding American should have the right to protect himself from low life scum that will acquire weapons whether they are legal or not. What a terrible person! I can just imagine the following scenario unfolding. Some liberal Get Big poster is in his car when up pulls some Lime green painted "Thugmobile" with 22 inch spinner rims, blasting Gangsta' Rap. Out pours a couple of unevolved,  primitive, unintelligble, ignorant crack-smoking, baby-mama producing Savages. They point their illegally aquired Glocks at the liberal and order him out of the car. The liberal tells them, "It's Ok guys. I understand your plight. You weren't given the opportunities that I had and you are merely a product of your environment. I will gladly give up my car to you..please have a nice day gentlemen." Then the primates proceed to pump 10 rounds into the pathetic liberal. As the Liberal Get Big Poster lies bleeding to death he thinks, "What happenned, I showed these disadvantaged youths empathy..and they still shot me. Maybe I should have gotten a license to carry a concealed weapon after all." Then, he dies.

Chem-I could not have siad this better.

[Moosejay]

Hopefully a nuclear-bomb will join them  

Dang....72 virgins for every person in this crowd...I hope your heaven has enough to go around.....

[20inch calves]

He was a grade B actor, a religious and rightwing nutcase and just a bad person overall....

come on. what made him a nut. because he was against gun control



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