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« on: April 07, 2008, 05:44:13 PM »
Petraeus Testimony Will Signal Iran Attack

Paul Craig Roberts
Information Clearing House
April 6, 2008

Today the London Telegraph reported that “British officials gave warning yesterday that America’s commander in Iraq will declare that Iran is waging war against the US-backed Baghdad government. A strong statement from General David Petraeus about Iran’s intervention in Iraq could set the stage for a US attack on Iranian militiary facilities, according to a Whitehall assessment.”

The neocon lacky Petraeus has had his script written for him by Cheney, and Petraeus together with neocon warmonger Ryan Crocker, the US governor of the Green Zone in Baghdad, will present Congress next Tuesday and Wednesday with the lies, for which the road has been well paved by neocon propagandists such as Kimberly Kagan, that “the US must recognize that Iran is engaged in a full-up proxy war against it in Iraq.”

Don’t expect Congress to do anything except to egg on the attack. On April 3 the International Herald Tribune reported that senators and representatives have made millions of dollars from their investments in defense companies totaling $196 million. Rep. Ike Skelton, the Democrat chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, is already on board with the attack on Iran. The London Telegraph quotes Skelton: “Iran is the bull in the china shop. In all of this, they seem to have links to all of the Shi’ite groups, whether they be political or military.”

All Skelton knows is what the war criminal Bush regime tells him. If Iran really does have all these connections, then it behooves Washington to cease threatening Iran and to make nice with Iran in order to stabilize Iraq and extract the US from the nightmare.

Reporting from Tehran on April 4, Reuters quotes Mohsen Hakim, whose father, Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, leads the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, an ally of the Maliki US puppetgovernment in Iraq: “Tehran, by using its positive influence on the Iraqi nation, paved the way for the return of peace to Iraq and the new situation is the result of Iran’s efforts.”

Instead of thanking Iran and working with Iran diplomatically to restore stability to Iraq, the Bush regime intends to expand the nightmare with a military attack on Iran. Ryan Crocker was quick to dispute Hakim’s report that Iran had used its influence to end the fighting in Basra. Crocker alleged that Iran had started the fighting. The absurdity of Crocker’s claim is obvious as even the neocon US media reported that the fighting in Basra was started by the US and Maliki in an effort to clear out the Shi’ite al-Sadr militias. Most experts saw the attack on al-Sadr for what it was: an effort to remove a potential threat to the US supply line from Kuwait in the event of a US attack on Iran.

 
 
 
Crocker alleges that the rockets dropping on the Green Zone during the Basra fighting were made in 2007 in Iran. As should be obvious even to disengaged Americans, if Iran were to arm the Iraqi insurgency, the insurgents would have modern weapons to counter US helicopter gunships and heavy tanks. The insurgents have no such weapons. The neocon lie that Iran is the cause of the Iraqi insurgency is just another Bush regime lie like the lie that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and connections to al Qaeda and the lie that the Taliban in Afghanistan attacked the US.

The Bush regime will tell any lie and orchestrate any event in order to “finish the job” in the Middle East.

“Finishing the job” means to destroy the ability of Iraq, Iran, and Syria to provide support for the Palestinians and for Hezbollah in southern Lebanon against Israeli aggression. With Iraq and Iran in turmoil, Syria might simply give up and become another American client state. With Iraq and Iran in turmoil, Israel can steal the rest of the West Bank along with the water resources in southern Lebanon. That is what “the war on terror” is really about.

The entire world knows this. Consequently, the US and Israel are essentially isolated. The US can only count on the support that it can bribe and pay for.

At the NATO-Russian summit in Bucharest, Romania, on April 4, Russian President Putin said: “No one can seriously think that Iran would dare attack the U.S. Instead of pushing Iran into a corner, it would be far more sensible to think together how to help Iran become more predictable and transparent.”

Of course it would, but that is not what the warmonger Bush regime wants.

Perhaps the British government has derailed the plot to attack Iran by leaking in advance to the London Telegraph the disinformation Cheney has prepared for Petraeus and Crocker to deliver to the complicit US Congress next Tuesday and Wednesday. On the other hand, the US puppet media is likely to bury the real story and to trumpet Petraeus claims that Iran has, in effect, already declared war on the US by sending weapons to kill US troops in Iraq.

By next Thursday we will know from how the Petraeus-Crocker dog and pony show plays in the US Congress and media whether the Bush Regime will commit yet another war crime by attacking Iran.

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Re: Petraeus reports coming.
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2008, 05:48:51 PM »
this article seems extremely slanted.

How much of it is cold hard facts?

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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2008, 05:50:48 PM »
LOL.  It is  ;D   Alex Jones.    Wonder, if what he says will come true.......We'll see in a few days.

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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2008, 06:17:11 PM »
iran telling OPEC to drop the dollar... we should bomb them for that alone...

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2008, 06:52:11 PM »
Here is one thing i know about Iran...we watch them cross the board with supplies daily. Admiral fallon would not engage them but choose to have them followed..ie satelites/Predator/Shadow/Raven systems and then have the safe-houses and folks on the Iraqi side rolled up. Its a method and not wrong. It prevents open warfare with Iran. However they, Iran, is suppyling EFP's and nobody has an adequate answer for that type of weapon.
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2008, 06:58:01 PM »
yeah, i was sad about the 911 things.
and yeah, it sucked that they used WMD BS to sell the war.

But when it comes to iran, i'm just pissed.  They're arming the men killing our men... that's just as bad as pulling the trigger themselves.  Then this crap about adhmedijahad telling OPEC to drop the dollar... he wants to act all kind "We have beef with bush, not with the american people", then he wants to make our 401k's worthless and crash our economy?

I'm with Bush and Cheney and Mccain on this one... iran is threatening our way of life. 

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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2008, 07:03:10 PM »
If we attack Iran..look for troop movements inside Iraq. Not ground troops moving toward Iran but units moving south to shore up our land lines to both jordan and Kuwait....ala Basra and the recent battle. The threat inside Iraq is that Insurgents cut the supply lines.
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2008, 07:10:18 PM »
HH6, you do all the real thinking in this battle.  I'll stay on getbig and do some bitching :)

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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2008, 07:13:37 PM »
I wish there was more I could tell u guys.
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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2008, 08:21:58 PM »
We need to nuke em and get back home.  War is ugly, but what are you gonna do if your fighting people that will hide all their ammunition in schoolchildrens rooms and church houses...they expect us to have higher morals,,, but they wouldnt in our shoes!!......shit, they purposely aim for crowded markets!!

We cant afford Iran....nuke em and lets go home.

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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2008, 08:31:12 PM »
The US will be making a very severe blunder if and when it attacks Iran.  What some people don't understand is that Iran has a very young population percentage...a population which includes a great many students who  attend the various universities studying subjects such as Engineering that keep a nation going.  These students are the future leaders of this country in which the same young men and women are very much pro-Western.  They like the same music, television, and videos that we do. 

Let the old guard die off naturally.  It wouldn't serve the US well to alienate and threaten an entire nation of people of which the vast majority have absolutely no qualms with us whatsoever.....until we bomb them back into the stone age.

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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2008, 10:01:44 PM »
The US will be making a very severe blunder if and when it attacks Iran.  What some people don't understand is that Iran has a very young population percentage...a population which includes a great many students who  attend the various universities studying subjects such as Engineering that keep a nation going.  These students are the future leaders of this country in which the same young men and women are very much pro-Western.  They like the same music, television, and videos that we do. 

Let the old guard die off naturally.  It wouldn't serve the US well to alienate and threaten an entire nation of people of which the vast majority have absolutely no qualms with us whatsoever.....until we bomb them back into the stone age.

Exactly.

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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2008, 10:14:53 PM »


I'm with Bush and Cheney and Mccain on this one... iran is threatening our way of life. 

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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2008, 04:11:35 AM »
speechless

If opec drops the dollar, we're back to living in tents around here.  iran is pushing them hard to do it.

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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2008, 07:16:49 AM »
If opec drops the dollar, we're back to living in tents around here.  iran is pushing them hard to do it.

That would mean Saudi would have abandoned the USA.   And becuase we have an Army in the area i doubt we will agree to letting Iraqi oil be part of it. 

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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2008, 07:20:01 AM »
That would mean Saudi would have abandoned the USA.   And becuase we have an Army in the area i doubt we will agree to letting Iraqi oil be part of it. 

you almost sound like a CTer.

our forces are only there to protect the iraqis.  They are free to do whatever they want with their oil, and if their leadership asks us to leave, we will.  Also those bases will be taken down as soon as possible - they are not permanent. 

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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2008, 07:21:54 AM »
you almost sound like a CTer.

our forces are only there to protect the iraqis.  They are free to do whatever they want with their oil, and if their leadership asks us to leave, we will.  Also those bases will be taken down as soon as possible - they are not permanent. 

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahaha OzmO is a cter.

Imagine.......lol   ;D


But in reality i'm a quasi-CTer, I'm the diet pepsi of Ct-ers, just one calorie!

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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2008, 07:26:20 AM »
Crocker is telling us about something weird...

"A longterm US agreement with iraq - US forces will remain in Iraq beyond Dec 31, 2008, when our UN agreement to stay expires."  Otherwise, we'd have to leave then.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut. ..

"The agreement WILL NOT specify troops levels or any permanent bases."  But it will create an indefinite agreement to keep men and buildings there.




I guess they don't consider 40 or 60 or 80 years, to be 'permanent'. 

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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2008, 08:25:31 AM »
If opec drops the dollar, we're back to living in tents around here.  iran is pushing them hard to do it.

Im well aware of the dollar crisis in that area but it sounds like your spreading the blame a little thick on one group when there are many factors involved. If you were to bomb all the responsible people in this scenerio, there wouldnt be many people left.

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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2008, 09:29:12 AM »
Despite the lies of progress being made. 

 In actual numbers  2007 is the deadliest year of all for our troop deaths.................. ......Get the hell out!!

We're out of money, we're out of men.

Also i think its a lie to assume Iran is helping insurgents, Because were still being creamed by farmer roadside bombs and suicide bombers.  Not higher tech weapons that Iran has to shoot down helicopters and such.

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« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2008, 11:07:39 AM »
No one is such a liar as the indignant man.
- Friedrich Nietzsche
    George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Condoleezza Rice, along with a slew of administration underlings and a revolving-door cavalcade of brass hats from the Pentagon, have been making claims regarding Iraq for many years now.

    They claimed Iraq was in possession of 26,000 liters of anthrax, "enough to kill several million people," according to a page on the White House web site titled Disarm Saddam Hussein.

    They lied.

    They claimed Iraq was in possession of 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin.

    They lied.

    They claimed Iraq was in possession of 500 tons, which equals 1,000,000 pounds, of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

    They lied.

    They claimed Iraq was in possession of nearly 30,000 munitions capable of delivering these agents.

    They lied.

    They claimed Iraq was in possession of several mobile biological weapons labs.

    They lied.

    They claimed Iraq was operating an "advanced" nuclear weapons program.

    They lied.

    They claimed Iraq had been seeking "significant quantities" of uranium from Africa for use in this "advanced" nuclear weapons program.

    They lied.

    They claimed Iraq attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes "suitable for nuclear weapons."

    They lied.

    They claimed America needed to invade, overthrow and occupy Iraq in order to remove this menace from our world. "It would take just one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country," went the White House line, "to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known."

    They lied.

    "Simply stated," said Dick Cheney in August of 2002, "there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."

    Liar.

    "Right now," said George W. Bush in September of 2002, "Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of nuclear weapons."

    Liar.

    "We know for a fact," said White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer in January of 2003, "that there are weapons there."

    Liar.

    "We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction," said Colin Powell in February of 2003, "is determined to make more."

    Liar.

    "We know where they are," said Donald Rumsfeld in March of 2003. "They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad, and east, south, west and north somewhat."

    Liar.

    "The Iraqi people understand what this crisis is about," said Paul Wolfowitz in March of 2003. "Like the people of France in the 1940s, they view us as their hoped-for liberator."

    Liar.

    "No one ever said that we knew precisely where all of these agents were," said Condoleezza Rice in June of 2003, "where they were stored."

    Liar.

    "I have absolute confidence that there are weapons of mass destruction inside this country," said Gen. Tommy Franks in April of 2003. "Whether we will turn out, at the end of the day, to find them in one of the 2,000 or 3,000 sites we already know about or whether contact with one of these officials who we may come in contact with will tell us, 'Oh, well, there's actually another site,' and we'll find it there, I'm not sure."

    Wrong.

    "Before the war," said Gen. Michael Hagee in May of 2003, "there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found."

    Wrong.

    "Given time," said Gen. Richard Myers in May of 2003, "given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction."

    Wrong.

    "Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do," said Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton in May of 2003, "because I think there's a lot of information out there."

    Wrong.

    Gen. David Petraeus, commander of US forces in Iraq, is about to give testimony before the Senate regarding the current state of affairs in that battle-savaged country. He is a political general, one of many America has seen and heard over the last five years, one who would leap nude from the Capitol dome before telling the real truth about matters in Iraq ... or who would speak using words fed to him by liars, and thus be wrong.

    Remember: they lie. They all lie, from the top man down to the bottom. If their lips are moving, a lie is unfolding. If they say water is wet, get into the shower to make sure.
    They lie.

    Period.

    End of file.
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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2008, 12:17:34 PM »
Good point JB.  Bombing Iran would be a huge mistake IMO.

Can we start drilling in Alaska now????  We really don't need middle eastern oil with the oil thats in Canada and alaska. 

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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2008, 01:36:41 PM »
Good point JB.  Bombing Iran would be a huge mistake IMO.

Can we start drilling in Alaska now????  We really don't need middle eastern oil with the oil thats in Canada and alaska. 


No. We must "Stay the course" and destroy our economy, and way of life to "Help" others.

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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2008, 01:54:30 PM »
I know there are some that will protest but we gotta weigh the positives and negatives with all thats going on.  I am all for protecting the environment but there are certainly ways to drill with focus & appropriate restrictions in a huge landmass like Alaska without disturbing the ecosystem.  Even a tiny area of focused drilling would help us immensely and do very little in damaging Alaska.  Think of the positives for the US.

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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2008, 01:58:43 PM »
I know there are some that will protest but we gotta weigh the positives and negatives with all thats going on.  I am all for protecting the environment but there are certainly ways to drill with focus & appropriate restrictions in a huge landmass like Alaska without disturbing the ecosystem.  Even a tiny area of focused drilling would help us immensely and do very little in damaging Alaska.  Think of the positives for the US.




Hahahahahah.. I sense your cry for logic and common sense.   The states and goverments have different plans.... ;D