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Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« on: April 08, 2008, 05:58:50 PM »
American Soldiers Speak Out About Their Presidential Endorsements
By MARTHA RADDATZ
April 7, 2008—


ABC's Martha Raddatz asked American soldiers in Iraq what issues are most important to them when looking at the presidential candidates.

Though the military is not supposed to engage in partisan political activity, these soldiers spoke out about their personal endorsements, and their opinions are likely to matter. In 2004, 73 percent of the U.S. military voted for a presidential candidate, and officials believe it may be even higher this time around.

PFC Jeremy Slate said he supported Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., because of his stated intention to pull out of Iraq right away.

"That would be nice," Slate said, "I'd like to be home, yea."

SFC Patricia Keller also expressed support for Obama, citing his representation for change.

Spc. Patrick Nicholls from Eggawam, Mass., pointed out that many soldiers on the frontlines frequently think about their families back home.

"We think about how our families are doing back home. That's a major concern, like how the economy is doing, also as well as where we're going to be in the future. Because really, truly, what we consider we're doing, we're doing a valuable job, we want to make sure that the efforts we make are appreciated."

He suggested he was too engaged in Iraq to keep up with politics back home. "I haven't really been following it too much since we've been over here, ma'am," he told Raddatz. "So, don't really know which issues are too important to me right now. ... I don't know who's running, ma'am."

Lt. Leah Wicks said that, tied into concerns about her family's welfare, were concerns about the economy, "where we're going to be in the future."

Only moments before speaking with ABC News, the troops had been listening to Vice President Dick Cheney give a rousing speech, but it didn't change their political preference.

Spc. Imus Loto said he supported Obama. "It will be something different. But he's out there and he'll probably support us a lot more."

By support, Loto meant pulling out troops. "Pull me out, too." he said.

Though the military is generally a more conservative group, soldiers like Sgt. Justin Sarbaum are just as eager for a pull-out as the Democratic candidates. Sarbaum said he wondered which presidential candidate would be able to better the U.S. relationship with rogue nations, such as Iran, so that soldiers are not sent off to another war.

"Iran is obviously a big issue," Sarbaum said, "Here in Iraq for my third time; starting another war right now  is it really necessary?"

Sgt. Cory Messingham from Lewisville, Texas, said he wasn't following the race, but he was concerned about candidates' paying attention to the emotional toll that the war has taken on soldiers.

"My biggest issue is support for the military, military funding and our deployments, not having long deployments anymore. Because [the] majority of us are doing ...15-month deployments. So, it's tough on the soldiers and tough on the soldiers' families. Those are really my biggest issues."

1st Sgt. David Logan said, "I am leaning toward Hillary. I think that we should have a gradual drawdown."

Though the soldiers have been living in Iraq, they listen closely to the candidates on issues far beyond the wars they are fighting.

"Education back in the states is one of my main concerns," Spc. Matthew Durkin said.

Economy and environment were on Staff Sgt. Derek Dion's mind. "Things like gas prices, and look at the environment and what we're going to leave our children."

Spc. Joseph Lindsesdt, who is from Alaska, said he was watching for consistency of the candidates' views. "The steadiness of the candidate, whether they've changed their views, constantly, over time, or with political wind, as I like to put it."

To that end, Lindsesdt's pick is Obama. "The fact that he's followed his views, regardless of what they have been [sic] and whether I've agreed with them or not, sometimes. But he's been steady the entire way."

When asked if he was concerned about criticism that Obama had less political experience than some of the other candidates, the battle-weary soldier replied, "No, I think being a decent leader doesn't have to do anything with experience much."

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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2008, 06:26:08 PM »
Who gets most money from the troops?

Ron PAul.

He gets more money from troops than ALL the other REPubs and Dems put together!

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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2008, 06:40:19 PM »
Who gets most money from the troops?

Ron PAul.

He gets more money from troops than ALL the other REPubs and Dems put together!
Ron Paul=has been never was
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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2008, 06:50:12 PM »
Yeah, he's pretty irrelevant.

All he does is go on and on about  our rights, YOUR rights as an individual, The NAU, a free market, the screw ups by the federal reserve, property rights, leaving Iraq, the right to bear arms, sound currency, less government in our personal lives, less taxes, protecting the border, liberty.

You're right, he's lame.


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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2008, 09:25:16 PM »
Yeah, he's pretty irrelevant.

  ;D

How many delegates did what's his name get again? Will they even let him in the convention hall, let alone let him speak at the Republican Convention?  ;D
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2008, 09:36:30 PM »
  ;D

How many delegates did what's his name get again? Will they even let him in the convention hall, let alone let him speak at the Republican Convention?  ;D

You mean the same general public that voted in Bush twice? The same general public that can't even find Iraq on an unmarked map? You mean the same general public that will vote for Obama "cause he's black and that's cool" but can't even mention 1 issue he stands for other than change.

If you're using those people as a barometer to measure Ron PAuls relevance than yeah, I guess he is irrelevant. :)

I've always asked you and some others  what it is you don't like about the guy but other than the, "his ideas are too old", (whatever that means), I'm still trying to understand why you guys feel he is unelectable.

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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2008, 09:51:09 PM »
You mean the same general public that voted in Bush twice? The same general public that can't even find Iraq on an unmarked map? You mean the same general public that will vote for Obama "cause he's black and that's cool" but can't even mention 1 issue he stands for other than change.

If you're using those people as a barometer to measure Ron PAuls relevance than yeah, I guess he is irrelevant. :)

I've always asked you and some others  what it is you don't like about the guy but other than the, "his ideas are too old", (whatever that means), I'm still trying to understand why you guys feel he is unelectable.
Political meltdown! 

Paul is "unelectable" because he has no delegates.
Breaking News!: John McCain has secured the Republican nomination!   :D
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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2008, 09:56:01 PM »
Political meltdown! 

Paul is "unelectable" because he has no delegates.
Breaking News!: John McCain has secured the Republican nomination!   :D


You thought that was a meltdown? oh boy  ::)

Thanks for answering the question.

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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2008, 10:09:41 PM »
You thought that was a meltdown? oh boy  ::)

Thanks for answering the question.

You're welcome.  :)
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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2008, 03:33:11 AM »
The majority of the military votes Republican. In the officer ranks it's around 90 percent.

Even though Ron Paul did not win the Republican nomination he still has the biggest support of the military over ANY candidate running for POTUS. Why? Because he actually wore the uniform (Billary and Obama did not), he wants to stop using the military as the world's police force, he understands and respects the Constitution (along with individual freedom and liberty), and is not a socialist progressive.

It's also quite obvious that this story was slanted to give the illusion that the military supports socialism Obama. Nice unbiased reporting by ABC News.  ::)

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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2008, 12:04:49 PM »
The majority of the military votes Republican. In the officer ranks it's around 90 percent.

Even though Ron Paul did not win the Republican nomination he still has the biggest support of the military over ANY candidate running for POTUS. Why? Because he actually wore the uniform (Billary and Obama did not), he wants to stop using the military as the world's police force, he understands and respects the Constitution (along with individual freedom and liberty), and is not a socialist progressive.

It's also quite obvious that this story was slated to give the illusion that the military supports socialism Obama. Nice unbiased reporting by ABC News.  ::)

I imagine those troops had barely heard of Ron Paul, not they were somehow "coached" by ABC News.  ::)

Maybe the troops didn't mention Paul because he obtained about five delegates and his candidacy is effectively over? Hmmm...  :-\


Jokes aside, I agreed with Paul on the Iraq war. However, its time for you Paul-imanics to pipe down. He never came close to winning a single state.
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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2008, 02:10:31 PM »
I imagine those troops had barely heard of Ron Paul, not they were somehow "coached" by ABC News.  ::)

Maybe the troops didn't mention Paul because he obtained about five delegates and his candidacy is effectively over? Hmmm...  :-\


Jokes aside, I agreed with Paul on the Iraq war. However, its time for you Paul-imanics to pipe down. He never came close to winning a single state.

You'd be surprised. A lot of military (active and veterans) know who Ron Paul is.

And even though he didn't get the nomination it doesn't make his overall message less important or incorrect.

IMO, he's just not the right messenger.


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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2008, 06:45:37 PM »
I imagine those troops had barely heard of Ron Paul, not they were somehow "coached" by ABC News.  ::)

Maybe the troops didn't mention Paul because he obtained about five delegates and his candidacy is effectively over? Hmmm...  :-\


Jokes aside, I agreed with Paul on the Iraq war. However, its time for you Paul-imanics to pipe down. He never came close to winning a single state.

It's the message stupid!  ;D

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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2008, 09:51:28 AM »
Most guys will vote Mccain on the officer side...they know we can't pull out in 90 days. Nobody is happy with our choices.
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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2008, 09:06:15 AM »
Most guys will vote Mccain on the officer side...they know we can't pull out in 90 days. Nobody is happy with our choices.
???

Who's recommending a 90 day pullout?
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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2008, 09:13:00 AM »
Before P4 went before Congress, Obama and Hil both said 1 Bde a month and that would start within 90 days of being sworn in...both have backed off of it. Obama has said from the begining he was pulling out.
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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2008, 09:29:48 AM »
Before P4 went before Congress, Obama and Hil both said 1 Bde a month and that would start within 90 days of being sworn in...both have backed off of it. Obama has said from the begining he was pulling out.
So Hillary and Obama stated (at any time) that ALL troops would be out of Iraq in 90 days after their inauguration?
News to me...
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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2008, 09:33:58 AM »
Um..no 1 BDE a month dude....starting 90 days after they are sworn in.  Which is near impossible.  But they have backed off of it.
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2008, 10:13:49 AM »
Um..no 1 BDE a month dude....starting 90 days after they are sworn in.  Which is near impossible.  But they have backed off of it.
They have not backed that...
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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2008, 02:27:23 PM »
Dude..Hil and Obama said they would begin pulling out troops as soon as they became president. Obama has said we needed to pull out sooner.

Obama’s bill would cap troop levels in Iraq at the early January level of around 130,000, when Bush announced he would send 21,500 additional U.S. forces to Iraq. It would require that troops begin coming home on May 1 with the goal of removing all combat brigades by March 31, 2008...this was pre surge.


Sen. Barack Obama's plan for Iraq includes immediate withdrawal of one or two brigades every month and completing a full withdrawal by the end of 2008.

He is also calling for a new constitutional convention in Iraq to be convened with U.N. help, greater diplomatic efforts both inside Iraq and in the region, and a response to the humanitarian disaster that he says the Bush administration has not dealt with.

At the same time, Obama tells Michele Norris that he is not calling for total disengagement from Iraq, since the United States has both strategic and humanitarian interests in the country.

"What my plan calls for would continue to involve U.S. troops protecting a U.S. embassy and U.S. personnel there. We would continue to have U.S. troops who are able to strike at terrorist targets inside Iraq, although the troops themselves and the strike forces might not have to be deployed inside Iraq," Obama explains.

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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2008, 07:58:48 AM »
Dude..Hil and Obama said they would begin pulling out troops as soon as they became president. Obama has said we needed to pull out sooner.

Obama’s bill would cap troop levels in Iraq at the early January level of around 130,000, when Bush announced he would send 21,500 additional U.S. forces to Iraq. It would require that troops begin coming home on May 1 with the goal of removing all combat brigades by March 31, 2008...this was pre surge.


Sen. Barack Obama's plan for Iraq includes immediate withdrawal of one or two brigades every month and completing a full withdrawal by the end of 2008.

He is also calling for a new constitutional convention in Iraq to be convened with U.N. help, greater diplomatic efforts both inside Iraq and in the region, and a response to the humanitarian disaster that he says the Bush administration has not dealt with.

At the same time, Obama tells Michele Norris that he is not calling for total disengagement from Iraq, since the United States has both strategic and humanitarian interests in the country.

"What my plan calls for would continue to involve U.S. troops protecting a U.S. embassy and U.S. personnel there. We would continue to have U.S. troops who are able to strike at terrorist targets inside Iraq, although the troops themselves and the strike forces might not have to be deployed inside Iraq," Obama explains.


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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2008, 09:23:34 AM »
idiot

Anybody who watched the Petraeus/Crocker hearings could see that the idiocy begins at the top.  The reason why the whole thing's a powder keg is b/c of the no of troops we have there.

Iran doesn't want us there

And their rivals, the Sadr militia doesn't want us there either.

And the way we're going to solve this problem is with more troops? hahahaha

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Re: Who Gets The Troops' Votes?
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2008, 12:54:12 PM »
Who's putting in more troops?
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