pm question answered - receptor downgrade

[gh15]

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gh15-

(if you reply to this in the g&o, id like it if you didnt post my username)

what do you think about "receptor downgrade"...the idea that aas become innefective after prolonged use, and that you have GOT to come off for at least a short period every once in a while o continue gaining...? do you believe this...or is the bst idea for someone looking to get BIG (markus ruhl big, not bob paris big) to just stay ON year round? and if so, what do you recommend...   exactly...for year round usage.   

could you out line a good cycle..whether or not you feel coming off is necessary, include that too.

thanks bro!   and good lcuk whenever the next time you compete is. i know youll be 'SHREDDED'  U crazy ass pimp
[/quote]

you need the genetic response first and the base which should be there before you go on high dose thats a first,,

now,,i believe in changing compounds every 8 weeks ,,sometimes more some times less depending on goals,,i also believe that an off time should only be limited to orals like dianabol and can be 30 days just so you can clean up and blow up again ,,the down regulation and all that is good for science books but there is a thing such as satutation of the muscle and the system especially liver,,the body want to balance it and get to maintain the new weight ,,thats when you need to take some time off from orals but time off is very short as in 30-45 days with top level and even with every day amatuers

i cant outline a cycle because cycle is individual to the bodybuilder,,his goals,,his lean muscle mass,,his level ,,etc etc

an amatuer bodybuilder with dedication and good base will be able to do nationals after few years on

human grade test
human grade nandrolone
human grade dianabol
duretics
cstimulants

most guys you see on internet on the boards use underground garbage that usually has nothing in it or very low dose and that is why their physiqe looks like that

when you take real pharmacutical hormones you will be one big muscular bodybuilder,,EVEN IF YOU DONT PAY ATTENTION TO DIET! you will look like a very strong and big muscular football player,,period
the WHOLE SECRET BEHIND BODYBUILDING IS THE CONSISTANCY AND DEDICATION TO TRAINING,,EATING,,AND THE USE OF HORMONES WHICH IS A VERY BIG PART OF THE EQUATION

no hormones,,no consistancy in the use of hormones = NEVER PLACE FIRST,,NEVER STEP ON STAGE,,NEVER WIN A NATIONAL QUALIFIER,,NEVER WIN A PRO CARD,,

natural is 5'9 175,,,natural is 6'1 205...thats where natural exist and forget about it being anything remotely close to 4-6%

[Sir William Idol]

it would appear the natural bodybuilder travels a long, daunting road, teetering between the abysses of denial and discouragement

[candidizzle]

thanks for answering that question gh15

[benz]

thanks for answering that question gh15

hello anonymous person asking questions to gh15 

[candidizzle]

whatever benz

[TechnoViking]

it would appear the natural bodybuilder travels a long, daunting road, teetering between the abysses of denial and discouragement

Didn't that dude with the unibrow who just released his BBuilding.com interview just blow it wide open(not that it wasn't already known by anyone who knows anything but for the lapers, its blown wide open)

[pellius]

[quote author=
gh15-

(if you reply to this in the g&o, id like it if you didnt post my username)

what do you think about "receptor downgrade"...the idea that aas become innefective after prolonged use, and that you have GOT to come off for at least a short period every once in a while o continue gaining...? do you believe this...or is the bst idea for someone looking to get BIG (markus ruhl big, not bob paris big) to just stay ON year round? and if so, what do you recommend...   exactly...for year round usage.   

could you out line a good cycle..whether or not you feel coming off is necessary, include that too.

thanks bro!   and good lcuk whenever the next time you compete is. i know youll be 'SHREDDED'  U crazy ass pimp


you need the genetic response first and the base which should be there before you go on high dose thats a first,,

now,,i believe in changing compounds every 8 weeks ,,sometimes more some times less depending on goals,,i also believe that an off time should only be limited to orals like dianabol and can be 30 days just so you can clean up and blow up again ,,the down regulation and all that is good for science books but there is a thing such as satutation of the muscle and the system especially liver,,the body want to balance it and get to maintain the new weight ,,thats when you need to take some time off from orals but time off is very short as in 30-45 days with top level and even with every day amatuers

i cant outline a cycle because cycle is individual to the bodybuilder,,his goals,,his lean muscle mass,,his level ,,etc etc

an amatuer bodybuilder with dedication and good base will be able to do nationals after few years on

human grade test
human grade nandrolone
human grade dianabol
duretics
cstimulants

most guys you see on internet on the boards use underground garbage that usually has nothing in it or very low dose and that is why their physiqe looks like that

when you take real pharmacutical hormones you will be one big muscular bodybuilder,,EVEN IF YOU DONT PAY ATTENTION TO DIET! you will look like a very strong and big muscular football player,,period
the WHOLE SECRET BEHIND BODYBUILDING IS THE CONSISTANCY AND DEDICATION TO TRAINING,,EATING,,AND THE USE OF HORMONES WHICH IS A VERY BIG PART OF THE EQUATION

no hormones,,no consistancy in the use of hormones = NEVER PLACE FIRST,,NEVER STEP ON STAGE,,NEVER WIN A NATIONAL QUALIFIER,,NEVER WIN A PRO CARD,,

natural is 5'9 175,,,natural is 6'1 205...thats where natural exist and forget about it being anything remotely close to 4-6%

When taking a "break" for a month or so don't you have to be at least on some HRT doses? I mean, isn't a competitive bodybuilding or even the long term juicing gym rat pretty much shut down? Wouldn't it take at least a month or more for your body to resume it's natural test production if under 35 years? And if your over 35 wouldn't it be a loss cause and you might as well look at 200mg test cyp/enanthate a week for life. Also, isn't it the orals that you should cut out during your "down" time? You said that "off" time should be limited to orals like dianabol. But I'm assuming your "on" already includes orals. Isn't it the long term use of orals more damaging to your body than injects?

[gh15]

the reason you see guys like melvin shrink into neverland peterpan size is because they go off completely for a month or 2 when feel like it,,thats when you lose size and wear usually big shirts,,in general the professional wont go off ,,only orals will be off to give the liver a break and the liver is a wonderful thing that easily recover and recuperate after 30 days ,,infact many can go forever on orals but the effect becomes smaller and smaller because it has to be broken by the stomack and liver first stage and those 2 tend to give bodybuilders problems ...especially stomack since many bodybuilders pop in the pills and dont know how to treat their stomack right thus lots of diareeah and lots of luke wood episodes ,,the liver is a very sophisticated organ and unless you got sever problem of the liver before hand before you start hormones or you got caner going on in the family in concerning rate...you should be ok

100% of bodybuilders are shut down,,recovery from that takes time,,everyone recovers usually but it takes time,,it got to a point that hen a guy inject 2 amps a week they consider themselves clean ,,always remember you never know whats going on behind closed doors,,the worst abusers ,,the worst users ,,the bravest and most risk taking users are guys like leepriest etc that claim for little no no doses,,

in reality if all was on plain level field and every one had protien powder and real food and what god gave him ,,,you would most likely see that waddy fella as one of the best fitness model in usa,,you would see guys like stavious actually winning big shows from the start,,and you would see that jamaican guy from england god knows what is name from this board that would stand next to heath on stage and most likley win ,,,drugs is a very big part of bodybuilding friend ,,,very very big part

[Mars]

the reason you see guys like melvin shrink into neverland peterpan size is because they go off completely for a month or 2 when feel like it,,thats when you lose size and wear usually big shirts,,in general the professional wont go off ,,only orals will be off to give the liver a break and the liver is a wonderful thing that easily recover and recuperate after 30 days ,,infact many can go forever on orals but the effect becomes smaller and smaller because it has to be broken by the stomack and liver first stage and those 2 tend to give bodybuilders problems ...especially stomack since many bodybuilders pop in the pills and dont know how to treat their stomack right thus lots of diareeah and lots of luke wood episodes ,,the liver is a very sophisticated organ and unless you got sever problem of the liver before hand before you start hormones or you got caner going on in the family in concerning rate...you should be ok

100% of bodybuilders are shut down,,recovery from that takes time,,everyone recovers usually but it takes time,,it got to a point that hen a guy inject 2 amps a week they consider themselves clean ,,always remember you never know whats going on behind closed doors,,the worst abusers ,,the worst users ,,the bravest and most risk taking users are guys like leepriest etc that claim for little no no doses,,

in reality if all was on plain level field and every one had protien powder and real food and what god gave him ,,,you would most likely see that waddy fella as one of the best fitness model in usa,,you would see guys like stavious actually winning big shows from the start,,and you would see that jamaican guy from england god knows what is name from this board that would stand next to heath on stage and most likley win ,,,drugs is a very big part of bodybuilding friend ,,,very very big part

tom prince said drugs only add 10 %

[emn1964]

tom prince said drugs only add 10 %

A "finishing touch" I beleive is what he said.

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

Kamali says he could be a freak if he started using drugs.

[Mussolini]

tom prince said drugs only add 10 %

I thought he said drugs are only 5% of what it takes to be a pro.

[jason armstrong]

I thought he said drugs are only 5% of what it takes to be a pro.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=346423

TP:
I'm going to cut right to it. Here's EXACTLY, word for word, what it takes for anyone to turn pro:

1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)

NOW.. here's how 1-5 plays out: Your GENETICS, you are born with, and can do nothing about. Numbers 2,3,4, I could teach a retarded monkey with a brain amputation.

And #5.. is why 99.99999% of the people fail.. and fall dead on their ass.

Notice is doesn't say "gear" or "steroids" in there at all. If you are one of those people that walks around saying "he's just big because he's on tons of shit!", then you will NEVER make it. NEVER!!

Steroids, GH, gear.. is the ultimate weak minded pussies excuse. Because, if it's GEAR, they never have to admit they aren't good enough. These people come up with an abstract excuse that no one can exacty pin point (how much, exactly is "tons of shit"?), and that way they don't have to admit they just ain't got it.

Notice the only thing you never hear someone say is: "I'm just not good enough?"
 

Must have forgot the nubiane oxy  ADVIL secret.

[jason armstrong]

human grade dianabol

no such a thing dummy.

if so name a brand that is actually widely available to lifters.

[jason armstrong]

the liver is a wonderful thing that easily recover and recuperate after 30 days ,,infact many can go forever on orals but the effect becomes smaller and smaller because it has to be broken by the stomack and liver first stage and those 2 tend to give bodybuilders problems ...especially stomack since many bodybuilders pop in the pills and dont know how to treat their stomack right thus lots of diareeah and lots of luke wood episodes ,,the liver is a very sophisticated organ and unless you got sever problem of the liver before hand before you start hormones or you got caner going on in the family in concerning rate...you should be ok

are you really that stupid as the above post is or are you trying to act dumb.

Cause it's working .

real well fool.

Deca Tren and a few other injects stress the living shit out of the liver as well-especially the high levels of "preservatives-bacteriostatic" agents used in gear

Benzyl alcohol and benzoate are very toxic to the liver in the amounts bb'ers take even in human grade depot testosterone the benzyl benzoate is at 20% fine for someone taking 100 mg a week but when dumb apes take 2 grams a week it fks the liver hard.

[gh15]

no such a thing dummy.

if so name a brand that is actually widely available to lifters.

naposim terapia
anabol british dispenary
you wont find russian any more only methyl but some like it

the main 2 and the only 2 i recomend are naposim and anabol by british disp,,,those 2 are 20-30 lb within first 4 weeks gh15 approved,,again must be legit because ip like to do the pentagons ,,

no i do not approve danabol as of now days no need to ask

[candidizzle]

naposim terapia
anabol british dispenary
you wont find russian any more only methyl but some like it

the main 2 and the only 2 i recomend are naposim and anabol by british disp,,,those 2 are 20-30 lb within first 4 weeks gh15 approved,,again must be legit because ip like to do the pentagons ,,

no i do not approve danabol as of now days no need to ask

gh15,  if i have a choice of either naposim or anabol, and they are equal price, which one do you think is better; or are they the same?

and do you like 10mg or 5mg tablets?

[gh15]

anabol by brtish dispensary is the best tablet i have ever taken in my whole history of bodybuilding ,,its equivelent to the old russian
i only recomend the lowest dose on any drug ,,im in the belief that lower dose tablets are better absorbed and unilized individually by the system,,

[candidizzle]

anabol by brtish dispensary is the best tablet i have ever taken in my whole history of bodybuilding ,,its equivelent to the old russian
i only recomend the lowest dose on any drug ,,im in the belief that lower dose tablets are better absorbed and unilized individually by the system,,

you said you dont approve danabol...  so you think ALL balkan products are no good then ? or just not on the same level as say organon or norma hellas ??

[Vince B]

I challenge gh15 and all pros to demonstrate they comprehend the research in exercise science. I have seen no evidence, except for Milos and perhaps Nasser, that any could comprehend that research no matter how hard they tried. Being intelligent is not enough because you need to have a background in science to read that stuff.

I doubt gh15 knows anything at all about receptors and such. Well, he might have read stuff in the magazines from hacks who don't comprehend the literature. Clearly, this is the blind leading the blind.

Hope this helps.

[gh15]

I challenge gh15 and all pros to demonstrate they comprehend the research in exercise science. I have seen no evidence, except for Milos and perhaps Nasser, that any could comprehend that research no matter how hard they tried. Being intelligent is not enough because you need to have a background in science to read that stuff.

I doubt gh15 knows anything at all about receptors and such. Well, he might have read stuff in the magazines from hacks who don't comprehend the literature. Clearly, this is the blind leading the blind.

Hope this helps.

how about you go continue arguing with bobbie about how good of a bodybuilder you are and how he is nothing and cant achieve anything ...why not doing this since many times i wanted to tell you what i thought about your blubs but shut up and let you talk your crap...

you sitting there in that thread insulting bob right and left about how he cant do shit while in reality it is you who couldnt do shit with the drugs! you sit there talking down to a bodybuilder who got to a pro card from nothing through lots of dedication and hard work and many trys and you have the nerve to talk down to him when you couldnt achieve even 1/10 of that ...

thjat thread right there showed me your real face,,so i dont even need to answer this post of yours seriously

insulting one of the most dedicated and determined bodybuilders of the late 90s,,youre truly out of your mind,,go read science book

[Vince B]

Bob's own words humiliate him. I merely point out the obvious. He has achieved very little re bodybuilding titles.

Now, the point was what are your qualifications regarding exercise science? Do you hold a degree in science? I doubt it. Anyone who believes crap about extraterrestrials is not what I call informed, educated or enlightened. You are expert in nothing at all. Don't come here crapping on about receptors when you don't have the vocabulary to do so.

[gh15]

yuo wont get me to reveal who i am so i wont answer directly your question but i can assure you that if you used what i said on your own physiqe back in the day you very well might not be so frasrated about your average physiqe,,then again i respect your age and ill leave it at that,,at the beggining when van joked about you every post you made i used to think you were not that bad ....but the more i read you the more i think that this van fella is a genious

[The Coach]

"Receptor Downgrade"?

Ok, admittedly I've haven't heard about this so I did a quick yahoo search and the first two pages came up bodybuilding and suppliment sites with the words "Receptor Downgrade" I even did a quick JAMA and Medscape search and nothing. Suppliment lingo bullshit?

If someone can find this on a reputable research site and link it, that would be great.

[candidizzle]

"Receptor Downgrade"?

Ok, admittedly I've haven't heard about this so I did a quick yahoo search and the first two pages came up bodybuilding and suppliment sites with the words "Receptor Downgrade" I even did a quick JAMA and Medscape search and nothing. Suppliment lingo bullshit?

If someone can find this on a reputable research site and link it, that would be great.

'androgen receptor'

you know what that is, right?

if testosterone was insulin and androgen receptors were muscle cells the receptopr downgrade would be like insulin resistance

get it now?