What is Wrong With Socialism and why is Capitalism better?

[calmus]

The second principle is where greed and a sense of entitlement come in.......

Say more. I'm not following you.

[Decker]

No argument there but you're just providing more arguments of the dangers of pure unchecked capitalism and self-absorbing individual greed. It's just common sense that too much of a good thing is a bad thing.

You're right.

I'm still not sold on Socialism.  I think our system of a moderated capitalist scheme with a Planned Economy re the management of our resources can be effective.  But we need strong, effective regulatory agencies and regulations to make that work.

[War-Horse]

Say more. I'm not following you.

Capitialism starts out on the self balancing rule of supply and demand.  But when corruption enters for the greedy to escalate themselves...(Halliburton in iraq, political buyoffs printing money worth nothing)  Then the ideals which hold it together start forming fascist and dictator type of thinking.

This squelches your second principle of fairness to the common man.

[calmus]

Capitialism starts out on the self balancing rule of supply and demand.  But when corruption enters for the greedy to escalate themselves...(Halliburton in iraq, political buyoffs printing money worth nothing)  Then the ideals which hold it together start forming fascist and dictator type of thinking.

This squelches your second principle of fairness to the common man.

Ah.  well, our society is not the Rawlsian ideal.

Maybe it originates with people wanting to leave it all to their kids.  THink Warren Buffett has the right idea on that one.

[War-Horse]

Ah.  well, our society is not the Rawlsian ideal.

Maybe it originates with people wanting to leave it all to their kids.  THink Warren Buffett has the right idea on that one.

Yeah, he sees what the sam walton kids have done......gotta stop that.

[calmus]

Yeah, he sees what the sam walton kids have done......gotta stop that.

What did they do?

[War-Horse]

What did they do?

Sold out to sweat shops all over the world. Thereby encouraging 12 yr olds to work 16hr days for .50 cents.

 His goal was to stay in smaller towns and employ local communities.

[calmus]

Sold out to sweat shops all over the world. Thereby encouraging 12 yr olds to work 16hr days for .50 cents.

 His goal was to stay in smaller towns and employ local communities.

It's the greed of the monstrous corporate entity. No man can stop it.

[Camel Jockey]

Debusseydickpussy nailed it. Socialism isn't merit based!

Free market capitalism = the reason why the west is what it is(one of the major reasons anyway).

[War-Horse]

Debusseydickpussy nailed it. Socialism isn't merit based!

Free market capitalism = the reason why the west is what it is(one of the major reasons anyway).

Why the west "was what it was",.... you mean.         Corruption ruined capitialism.

[Camel Jockey]

Why the west "was what it was",.... you mean.         Corruption ruined capitialism.

Corruption can ruin anything.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Corruption ruined capitialism.

Right and you think socialism has a better record in that arena?  ah HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! OH GAWD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAH!!!!!!!!!   JEZZUS AYTCH KEE-RIGHST HOT DAMN THATS A REAL KNEE SLAPPER!!!!!! WOO HOO!!! Oh man.. my gut hurts from laughing so hard.  lol

[War-Horse]

Right and you think socialism has a better record in that arena?  ah HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! OH GAWD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAH!!!!!!!!!   JEZZUS AYTCH KEE-RIGHST HOT DAMN THATS A REAL KNEE SLAPPER!!!!!! WOO HOO!!! Oh man.. my gut hurts from laughing so hard.  lol

Re- read my posts here.         Ive defended the foundation of capitialism.  Human tendencies have destroyed all forms of goverment.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Re- read my posts here.         Ive defended the foundation of capitialism.  Human tendencies have destroyed all forms of goverment.

Yet I doubt you would defend the constitution in it's entirety. 

[War-Horse]

Yet I doubt you would defend the constitution in it's entirety. 

Most likely ,yes.   Thats why i hate the patriot act.  facist/movements.

[Hugo Chavez]

What is Wrong With Socialism and why is Capitalism better?

There are ills in all and greater ills in the monopoly of one over the other.  Seems a good balance works best

[Hugo Chavez]

One of the basic flaws of socialism is that it forces equality onto the citizens, when the citizens are by far NOT equal, in personality, in intelligence and other personal attributes that is useful for society.
Then, you have the problem of having to control the future in a dynamic world full of change.

Completely uncontrolled capitalism = a dumb idea. Socialism = an even dumber idea.

And do not forget: Human progress and economic value creation is mainly driven by a small minority of extraordinary talented and/or very hard working people, in science and in business, while most people are basically pawns, blindly performing the orchestrations of that small minority. Threating everybody basically equal, when certain people contribute a lot more is unethical, and diminish the opportunity to get the most out of these extraordinary people.

In Norway, we don't even have special schools for the extraordinarily intelligent kids, and the results has been that many of these kids develop low self confidence and even thoughts of killing themselves, when they should get proper teaching and challenges for their skill level, blossom and provide progress for society. There is actually a LAW in Norway stating that extraordinary talented kids should NOT get special threatment.

Debussey hates all ideology that tries to preach that everybody is the same, because they aint. Some people are extraordinary, and should be compensated for being so by not being limited in the payoffs of the things they contribute. These are the people that drive humanity forwards, plain and simple.
Bill Gates for example, has created trillions of dollars of value for everyone, and if socialism had existed, the computer revolution would most likely never take place.

debussey nailed it. 

I will say there is a degree that socialism is a valuable addition to any system but should not be the dominant path.  Same with Capitalism, we have seen and have not seen the end of the destructive problems associated with this wild west lawless form of capitalism we're under.

[Nordic Superman]

Debussey's speaks a lot of truth for a humanoid with an IQ of 52!

[Decker]

One of the basic flaws of socialism is that it forces equality onto the citizens, when the citizens are by far NOT equal, in personality, in intelligence and other personal attributes that is useful for society.
...

How does the common ownership (socialism) of the means of production force equality on everyone?  What do you mean by equality?

How does Socialism hold back the gifted minority?  Wouldn't they still rise to the top based on individual achievement?  Even when the Catholic church was crushing science, Galileo still made his scientific contributions to the world.

I'm of the opinion that we need a managed economy.  I can't quite get on board with Einstein's appreciation of Socialism.

[GreatFinn]

Oh brother.. the USA has done more to feed the hungry, clothe the poor, and shelter the homeless than any other country the world over.  You two are absurd.


"but, but... the US is bad too, right?!?!?"  lol... get real

Well, no. Instead of that, USA has done it's best to make more orphans, more disabled and dead people all over the world, than any other country in this planet. Just count casualties from wars after ww2, all gun related deaths and injuries inside USA in past 60 years or so, and you will see the light, you moron. Starting from Korea, all the way to present day, there has been war between USA and some far away country, just for killing innocent so called socialists, and for pumping up your over grown military budget.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Well, no. Instead of that, USA has done it's best to make more orphans, more disabled and dead people all over the world, than any other country in this planet. Just count casualties from wars after ww2, all gun related deaths and injuries inside USA in past 60 years or so, and you will see the light, you moron. Starting from Korea, all the way to present day, there has been war between USA and some far away country, just for killing innocent so called socialists, and for pumping up your over grown military budget.

I'm sorry you're country hasn't done nearly as much to benefit the world over, including protecting countries that probably don't deserve it, like yours.

No reason to get all "spineless" about it. 

You can thank me later.

[War-Horse]

I'm sorry you're country hasn't done nearly as much to benefit the world over, including protecting countries that probably don't deserve it, like yours.

No reason to get all "spineless" about it. 

You can thank me later.

Youre a weird, dude.    How was he "Spineless" about it?

[GreatFinn]

I'm sorry you're country hasn't done nearly as much to benefit the world over, including protecting countries that probably don't deserve it, like yours.

No reason to get all "spineless" about it. 

You can thank me later.

Well, there is some benefits and drawbacks when you live in a nation which have just about 5,5 million people. One of those is a fact, that we cannot compete against USA in some statistics, like "most idiots in square mile", because you have more of them on every single square mile than our whole population put together. On the other hand, we can compete with you at an average IQ, which we are just one point behind you guys, we have better health care, less crime and we can drink you guys out of the map, even we do have just about 3,5 million adults who are old enough to use alcohol.

You guys are so overwhelmed by your illusion of greatness, that you doesn't see that you live in police state without even a clue about those rights which has given to you in your constitution...All you can do is obey and repeat those words which your political upper class feed to you by their propaganda system...It goes just about like this: AS AN AMERICAN, YOU HAVE a DUTY to FIGHT and DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY by friendly fire, in some God forsaking country, at least 4000 miles away from home. When you heard that millions of times starting from you cradle, you start to believe it, and when you are old enough to military, you take it as a fact of life. You are fooled to the max and you doesn't even think about it, and that is sad. Your government has fooled you to believe that there is some threat in communism, but that is a lie. There is not any real threat in Socialistic nations, they are too week to be a threat to anybody, but your government use them as a propaganda weapon, and they can make you to believe that there is...

[OzmO]

Well, there is some benefits and drawbacks when you live in a nation which have just about 5,5 million people. One of those is a fact, that we cannot compete against USA in some statistics, like "most idiots in square mile", because you have more of them on every single square mile than our whole population put together. On the other hand, we can compete with you at an average IQ, which we are just one point behind you guys, we have better health care, less crime and we can drink you guys out of the map, even we do have just about 3,5 million adults who are old enough to use alcohol.

You guys are so overwhelmed by your illusion of greatness, that you doesn't see that you live in police state without even a clue about those rights which has given to you in your constitution...All you can do is obey and repeat those words which your political upper class feed to you by their propaganda system...It goes just about like this: AS AN AMERICAN, YOU HAVE a DUTY to FIGHT and DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY by friendly fire, in some God forsaking country, at least 4000 miles away from home. When you heard that millions of times starting from you cradle, you start to believe it, and when you are old enough to military, you take it as a fact of life. You are fooled to the max and you doesn't even think about it, and that is sad. Your government has fooled you to believe that there is some threat in communism, but that is a lie. There is not any real threat in Socialistic nations, they are too week to be a threat to anybody, but your government use them as a propaganda weapon, and they can make you to believe that there is...

Ehh............  some of what you say is true from a certain point of view i suppose, but as an American, living in America, none of that stuff really affects me.  I have the option to choose to fight 4000 miles away.  I work hard, have a good job, enjoy life, pay may bills and have the same freedoms I've always had.  I see nothing changing.   Don;t get me wrong.   There are drawbacks, such as traffic.  But all in all, I think i'd have the same things living in Finland, which i'd love to visit and stay for a while some day. 

People prosper in Finland i'm sure as people prosper in America.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Well, there is some benefits and drawbacks when you live in a nation which have just about 5,5 million people. One of those is a fact, that we cannot compete against USA in some statistics, like "most idiots in square mile", because you have more of them on every single square mile than our whole population put together. On the other hand, we can compete with you at an average IQ, which we are just one point behind you guys, we have better health care, less crime and we can drink you guys out of the map, even we do have just about 3,5 million adults who are old enough to use alcohol.

You guys are so overwhelmed by your illusion of greatness, that you doesn't see that you live in police state without even a clue about those rights which has given to you in your constitution...All you can do is obey and repeat those words which your political upper class feed to you by their propaganda system...It goes just about like this: AS AN AMERICAN, YOU HAVE a DUTY to FIGHT and DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY by friendly fire, in some God forsaking country, at least 4000 miles away from home. When you heard that millions of times starting from you cradle, you start to believe it, and when you are old enough to military, you take it as a fact of life. You are fooled to the max and you doesn't even think about it, and that is sad. Your government has fooled you to believe that there is some threat in communism, but that is a lie. There is not any real threat in Socialistic nations, they are too week to be a threat to anybody, but your government use them as a propaganda weapon, and they can make you to believe that there is...

I've never seen anyone more wrong about something.