Do all fights truly end up on the floor?

[Deicide]

As Brazilian Jijitsu folk like to say?

[Bluto]

nope

[Captain Equipoise]

Not if you're a good striker and can consistently hit the button.

[Thin Lizzy]

As Brazilian Jijitsu folk like to say?

BJJ came into its own on the beaches of Rio. In that environment, on the sand, it's hard to stay on your feet in a fight. Where I live, NYC, it's all concrete. Even though I'm a more technical grappler than 99% of the population, the last thing I'd want to do is go to the ground.

Also, in today's MMA environment, the day of the one dimensional fighter is over. The fights get stood up too often. Combine that with the 3-5 minute rounds, and a pure ground fighter has a good chance of getting KTFO, as evidenced by the Dan Simmler fight and several others.

[americanbulldog]

BJJ came into its own on the beaches of Rio. In that environment, on the sand, it's hard to stay on your feet in a fight. Where I live, NYC, it's all concrete. Even though I'm a more technical grappler than 99% of the population, the last thing I'd want to do is go to the ground.

Also, in today's MMA environment, the day of the one dimensional fighter is over. The fights get stood up too often. Combine that with the 3-5 minute rounds, and a pure ground fighter has a good chance of getting KTFO, as evidenced by the Dan Simmler fight and several others.

What, no sacrafice throws on the concrete?  Where's your budo?  Lol.  A lot of good jits guys can be very effective at striking with little time in.  A change in levels by a good BJJ blackbelt would get a seasoned boxer to lower his center of gravity and drop his hands, follow up that change in level by an overhand, lead hook, knee combo and you got a winner.  The threat of being taken to the ground can get a boxer/striker flat on his feet, and not moving side to side.  See the Wagney Fabiano fight in the IFL. 

If you got a decent striker with power, who is a good wrestler, and can cut angles, he can be a handful for a more BJJ based fighter.  But like Thin says, the day's one one dimensional fighters is over.  Today's fighters are also better athletes. 

[Bluto]

i think deicide refers to the street
if he referes to the cage he could get an answer to his question just by watching a show

[americanbulldog]

I've personally seen many a BJJer put someone on their backs on the streets and finish with strikes from top.  Most people in Hawaii do kickboxing, and when Relson arrived a ton of people jumped on the GJJ bandwagon, especially after seeing the original GIA VHS tapes.  I trained at a Muay thai school that was RIGHT next to Relson's at the university, trust me when I say that many a kickboxer was on his back getting a beat down. 

[Slintowin4424]

Not if you're a good striker and can consistently hit the button.

Not true at all if a jiu jitsu guy wants to take you down he will take you down the only way fights stay standing is if you have extremely good take down defense

[Bluto]

or he'll get koed trying

or he will succeed taking the fight to the ground, where his head will be kicked in by someone still standing

[Captain Equipoise]

Not true at all if a jiu jitsu guy wants to take you down he will take you down the only way fights stay standing is if you have extremely good take down defense

LOl, it's called standing guillotine, try it sometime
or a nice hard MT knee to the jaw/nose area

[americanbulldog]

or he'll get koed trying

or he will succeed taking the fight to the ground, where his head will be kicked in by someone still standing

Sadly, when it comes to mass attack, this is true.  Standing guillotine means you are giving up your hips (hipping in) giving someone the takedown.  On the street a takedown could be the end of the fight. 

[Captain Equipoise]

Sadly, when it comes to mass attack, this is true.  Standing guillotine means you are giving up your hips (hipping in) giving someone the takedown.  On the street a takedown could be the end of the fight. 

In my experiences as a bouncer  I've always found support for my back when applying a standing guillotine, like a wall or the side of a bar, or a car, etc. that way there's nowhere for the guy in it to push, and trying to pull out of it just expends too much energy and he goes out faster.

[Slintowin4424]

LOl, it's called standing guillotine, try it sometime
or a nice hard MT knee to the jaw/nose area

Why dont you try it on me at  my seminar I am a brown belt under Ralph Gracie lets test your theory  BUt i Must warn you I have tested it many times before and the result is always the same submission

[americanbulldog]

Not true at all if a jiu jitsu guy wants to take you down he will take you down the only way fights stay standing is if you have extremely good take down defense

A good BJJ guy with good takedowns gets the fight to the floor 99% of the time, the only way it doesn't is the striker better have a great sprawl, crossface, get underhooks, control the distance.  Not too many people can do that.  And before people starte mentioning Liddell, he was a D1 wrestler in college.  Something Iron Mike wasn't. 

[Slintowin4424]

Lol even liddell can be taken down

[americanbulldog]

Lol even liddell can be taken down

He is very effective at cage walking back to his feet.  Not to mention he has a great sprawl/crossface, and gets underhooks or over/unders to reestablish control.  Not a pure striker by any means, but one of the better sprawl and brawlers. 

[Slintowin4424]

Nobody said that but he can be taken down hence Randy hence Wanderlei

[SpeedDemon]

one on one getting a takedown can pretty much decide the fight, if you have any idea what your doing

the problem is when your instincts tell you to take someone down in a situation you shouldn't and you end up catching the guys buddies boot with your face

watch a couple street fights on youtube or felonyfights. even when they are not trying to take each other down they always get tangled up or tripped up and fall down. a lot of the time they just scramble back up to there feet cause neither want to stay down there but in a street fight the ground always presents itself.

also like americanbulldog mentioned there often a wall or a car or something that can be used to help you or hurt you. I watched a guy out side a bar last summer shove a guy so he stumbled on the curb and while he was off balance tackled him onto the trunk lid of a taxi where he punched him and elbowed him and banged his head on the trunk until the taxi took off and the guy fell to the ground.

[RancherRanger]

If a fight is truely 1 on 1, I wouldn't mind taking the fight to the ground.  Any bystanders (which there usually are) then I'm gonna stand.  Don't wanna risk taking somebody down and having there friends decide to kick ya.

[americanbulldog]

Not if you're a good striker and can consistently hit the button.

Decent striker, with no sprawl, no takedown defense, gets taken down.  As Kimbo versus Thompson shows, even a sub par grappler like Thompson could take Kimbo down at will. 

[TerminalPower]

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Chuck Liddell