Best bodybuilder ever

[whateva]

SHAWN RAY
Bodybuilders are judged on the overall quality of their muscular development. Judging is based upon the presentation of:
MASS
The perception of muscular size, has been the foundation for bodybuilding since the beginning of the sport. Yet, mass is only a merit when accompanied by the remaining qualities.
DEFINITION
Indicates the degree of muscularity brought about by the absence of subcutaneous body fat. Defined muscularity is necessary to fully display the development of the physique. Definition is only of value when it allows massively developed muscles to be displayed.
PROPORTION
Implies an even balance of muscular development in comparison to each muscle group. Theoretically, a "strong body part" can be just as detrimental as a "weak body part". Bodybuilders must strive for equal development between all muscle groups.
SYMMETRY
A misnomer, is commonly used to depict "proportion" or expressed to indicate an aesthetic quality throughout the physique. Although, in its strictest definition, symmetry denotes equal development of muscularity on both right and left sides of the physique.
STAGE PRESENCE
Includes posing performance and other factors influencing general appearance such as skin tone, grooming, charisma, and poise. Effective stage presentation is essential to display the physique to its maximum potential.   

[chaos]

 


"simmetry"........bro, come on...

[calmus]

SIMMETRY lol.

[gordiano]

No doubt....

[whateva]

"simmetry"........bro, come on...

fixed ,hahahhaaaa

[whateva]

New judging criteria

IFBB ADVISORY NOTICE

Date: April 13, 2005
From: IFBB Professional Division
To: All IFBB Professional Members
Re: SYMMETRY & NATURAL AESTHETICS

Montreal, Canada, April 13, 2005: With a mandate from President Ben Weider, the Professional Committee and a team of expert advisors recently evaluated the issues associated with muscular development, such as size, shape, density, separation and definition, in relation to symmetry and natural aesthetics.

Certain objective criteria are involved in assessing symmetry and natural aesthetics in competitive bodybuilding. Of great significance are the qualities of balance, proportion and the overall “flow” of the physique, including classic attributes such as a dramatic “V-taper”; from broad shoulders and a wide back to a streamlined waist and a flat, muscular abdomen. In addition, there should be balance between upper and lower body development, and harmony between the left and right sides of the body. These characteristics have been the hallmark of a bodybuilder’s physique for decades, and it is the intent of this Advisory Notice to reaffirm their significance.

Distended abdomens and distorted muscles negatively impact upon symmetry and natural aesthetics and, therefore, detract from the overall physique. Athletes and judges are advised that muscle size at the expense of symmetry and natural aesthetics will not be assessed favourably.

All inquiries regarding the IFBB Professional Division should be directed to:

Jim Manion
Chairman
IFBB Professional Division
P.O. Box 3224
Pittsburgh , PA 15230

Toll Free: 1-866-304-4322
Tel: (412) 276-5027
Fax: (412) 281-0470
E-mail: ifbbprodivision@aol.com

[gh15]

SHAWN RAY
Bodybuilders are judged on the overall quality of their muscular development. Judging is based upon the presentation of:
MASS
The perception of muscular size, has been the foundation for bodybuilding since the beginning of the sport. Yet, mass is only a merit when accompanied by the remaining qualities.
DEFINITION
Indicates the degree of muscularity brought about by the absence of subcutaneous body fat. Defined muscularity is necessary to fully display the development of the physique. Definition is only of value when it allows massively developed muscles to be displayed.
PROPORTION
Implies an even balance of muscular development in comparison to each muscle group. Theoretically, a "strong body part" can be just as detrimental as a "weak body part". Bodybuilders must strive for equal development between all muscle groups.
SYMMETRY
A misnomer, is commonly used to depict "proportion" or expressed to indicate an aesthetic quality throughout the physique. Although, in its strictest definition, symmetry denotes equal development of muscularity on both right and left sides of the physique.
STAGE PRESENCE
Includes posing performance and other factors influencing general appearance such as skin tone, grooming, charisma, and poise. Effective stage presentation is essential to display the physique to its maximum potential.   

no,,
he was top 10 ,,he was very strong not only puffy buffy he could do his chins up and did his chins with lots of weight..he liftef heavy,,he was best 5'7 5'6 to to ever compete,,he was very symetric and very balanced,,he was sharp and conditioned every year every single year in every show he entered BUT! he was never tall enough and wide enough to be the best ever,,,he is though one of the best guys you could train with because you would see what a real bodybuilder shoudl train like,,,very good ,,one of the best but not the best..very similar to labrada

[chaos]

New judging criteria

IFBB ADVISORY NOTICE

Date: April 13, 2005
From: IFBB Professional Division
To: All IFBB Professional Members
Re: SYMMETRY & NATURAL AESTHETICS

Montreal, Canada, April 13, 2005: With a mandate from President Ben Weider, the Professional Committee and a team of expert advisors recently evaluated the issues associated with muscular development, such as size, shape, density, separation and definition, in relation to symmetry and natural aesthetics.

Certain objective criteria are involved in assessing symmetry and natural aesthetics in competitive bodybuilding. Of great significance are the qualities of balance, proportion and the overall “flow” of the physique, including classic attributes such as a dramatic “V-taper”; from broad shoulders and a wide back to a streamlined waist and a flat, muscular abdomen. In addition, there should be balance between upper and lower body development, and harmony between the left and right sides of the body. These characteristics have been the hallmark of a bodybuilder’s physique for decades, and it is the intent of this Advisory Notice to reaffirm their significance.

Distended abdomens and distorted muscles negatively impact upon symmetry and natural aesthetics and, therefore, detract from the overall physique. Athletes and judges are advised that muscle size at the expense of symmetry and natural aesthetics will not be assessed favourably.

All inquiries regarding the IFBB Professional Division should be directed to:

Jim Manion
Chairman
IFBB Professional Division
P.O. Box 3224
Pittsburgh , PA 15230

Toll Free: 1-866-304-4322
Tel: (412) 276-5027
Fax: (412) 281-0470
E-mail: ifbbprodivision@aol.com

hHAHHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAA That's a long joke, but funny nonetheless.

[whateva]

,,he was very symetric and very balanced,,he was sharp and conditioned every year every single year in every show he entered BUT!

That's what it's all about , who cares how tall ,wide or strong he was ,that isn't part of the judging criteria.

[phyxsius]

Hi Sean

[kiwiol]

Not even close champ. Shawn was short, narrow and his upper legs weren't in proportion to his lower legs, not to mention he had an unimpressive front and rear lat spread. He looked great, but if we are talking best bodybuilder ever, Dorian from 93 or Ronnie from 99 GP & 2001 AC come to mind.

[haider]

Not even close champ. Shawn was short, narrow and his upper legs weren't in proportion to his lower legs, not to mention he had an unimpressive front and rear lat spread. He looked great, but if we are talking best bodybuilder ever, Dorian from 93 or Ronnie from 99 GP & 2001 AC come to mind.

whatever happened to aesthetics, round muscle bellies, flow, etc.

dorian didnt display any of that shyt, he's way overrated.

[calmus]

whatever happened to aesthetics, round muscle bellies, flow, etc.

dorian didnt display any of that shyt, he's way overrated.

Hi Camel Jockey.

[haider]

Hi Camel Jockey.

been missin ya buddy 

[kiwiol]

whatever happened to aesthetics, round muscle bellies, flow, etc.

dorian didnt display any of that shyt, he's way overrated.

People seem to think that small automatically equates to aesthetic. Aesthetics is the most subjective attribute in bodybuilding, since each of us has a different idea of what something aesthetic ought to look like. IMO, 93 Dorian is way more aesthetic than any version of Shawn, because that version of Dorian was very Herculean - it projects strength, ruggedness and masculinity. Contrast that with someone like Shawn or Bob Paris and you'll note that the latter are more Apollonian - small waists, and relatively slender limbs that are muscular, but not similar in appearance to a tree trunk or anything.

For example, take a look at Dorian's front lat spread and tell me that there is no taper or flow - you'd be dead wrong.

So which is more aesthetic? If you asked the Coach, he'd say Shawn or Bob Paris and that's because that's his idea of an ideal physique. But if you asked me what I'd want to look like, I'd say 93 Dorian, because that's the look that's aesthetic in my opinion. And the fact that most people would disagree hardly matters - the number of adherents or subscribers is not proof of an ideas merit or validity, not to mention in this case it's an opinion (as opposed to a fact) and therefore, it's going to vary from person to person.

[haider]

People seem to think that small automatically equates to aesthetic. Aesthetics is the most subjective attribute in bodybuilding, since each of us has a different idea of what something aesthetic ought to look like. IMO, 93 Dorian is way more aesthetic than any version of Shawn, because that version of Dorian was very Herculean - it projects strength, ruggedness and masculinity. Contrast that with someone like Shawn or Bob Paris and you'll note that the latter are more Apollonian - small waists, and relatively slender limbs that are muscular, but not similar in appearance to a tree trunk or anything.

I'm no bodybuilding expert but... you can tell a peice of artwork from another. There's several attributes to judge a person's aesthetics from, I mentioned 'flow' before, or the V-taper as u just mentioned. Rounder muscle bellies also look better and give the bb'er a mroe aesthetic look.

For example, take a look at Dorian's front lat spread and tell me that there is no taper or flow - you'd be dead wrong.

So which is more aesthetic? If you asked the Coach, he'd say Shawn or Bob Paris and that's because that's his idea of an ideal physique. But if you asked me what I'd want to look like, I'd say 93 Dorian, because that's the look that's aesthetic in my opinion. And the fact that most people would disagree hardly matters - the number of adherents or subscribers is not proof of an ideas merit or validity, not to mention in this case it's an opinion (as opposed to a fact) and therefore, it's going to vary from person to person.

Dorians flow on the front lat IS flawed because of the weird shape of his quads for instance. I'm sure there's numerous other flaws to be pointed out.

BB'ing is subjective, but not so much so that you leave it upto the individual to decide what's aesthetic or not. Same way we look at beatuy in real life, the trained eye is in a better position to judge beauty than a regular person of less sophistication.

[kiwiol]

I'm no bodybuilding expert but... you can tell a peice of artwork from another. There's several attributes to judge a person's aesthetics from, I mentioned 'flow' before, or the V-taper as u just mentioned. Rounder muscle bellies also look better and give the bb'er a mroe aesthetic look.
Dorians flow on the front lat IS flawed because of the weird shape of his quads for instance. I'm sure there's numerous other flaws to be pointed out.

BB'ing is subjective, but not so much so that you leave it upto the individual to decide what's aesthetic or not. Same way we look at beatuy in real life, the trained eye is in a better position to judge beauty than a regular person of less sophistication.

Going by your post, even Shawn's quads aren't exactly aesthetic - they are big and blocky and they overwhelm his calves (from the front). And I don't understand what you mean by you can't leave it the the individual to decide what's aesthetic and what isn't. Most people are scared to express an opinion on a lot of things because they realise they don't know much about the subject in question, esp. if they are in the presence of someone who seems to know what they are talking about. But everyone has an opinion on what they think looks great and what doesn't.

Dorian's quads don't look too impressive from the front? Maybe - IMO they look fine and I personally think he has the best front lat spread ever. Again, it all boils down to what you think is aesthetic and what isn't. Majority of males and nearly all females like the Apollonian physiques (eg Bob Paris) over the Herculean physiques, such as Dorian's. I guess I'm trying to say Dorian looks very big and thick and powerful and that's the kind of look that I want as well as think is better than the one like Shawn's.

[Van_Bilderass]

Everyone's favorite physique is the one that resembles their own. Generally. whateva would be more of a Shawn Ray type than Dorian or Ronnie type, if you talk about top pros.

[kiwiol]

Everyone's favorite physique is the one that resembles their own.

So 'No one' actually looks up to the Hippo in the local zoo

[Mars]

Haha good one Kiwiol.

[knny187]

I like Shawn...but if he was the best ever....


where's the sandow?

[Mars]

No doubt....

vince goodrum is a good athlete but the best? i doubt it.