Author Topic: Is Bob correct about Mike Mentzer? (Read 54895 times)

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #150 on:** July 06, 2009, 08:19:24 AM »

Quote from: Determinator on April 13, 2008, 05:27:54 AM

On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?

I dont think Bob could beat Mentzer

local hero · « **Reply #151 on:** July 06, 2009, 08:33:58 AM »

then you know fuck all... bob destroys him from every angle... and on those pics arnold is the only bodybuilder on the stage, unmatched thickness in the upper body, they all had shite legs back then..

i do think mentzer will always be an iconic bodybuilder tho..

BB · « **Reply #152 on:** July 06, 2009, 09:07:58 AM »

Mentzer was at the top of the heap amongst his peers and to be fair, we can only judge him in that regard. If one wanted to be really dicky about it, Mentzer had more success against his peers than Bob did against his, so in that regard Mentzer's Physique must of had someting going for it.

benchthis · « **Reply #153 on:** July 06, 2009, 09:19:01 AM »

wild willie · « **Reply #154 on:** July 06, 2009, 09:29:40 AM »

Quote from: Determinator on April 13, 2008, 05:27:54 AM

On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?

mentzer had great tris......excellent calves.......pretty darn good traps and shoulders......pretty decent back......and a small waist for a bigger man.....his only down fall was his lack of conditioning compared to zane and arnold.

wild willie · « **Reply #155 on:** July 06, 2009, 09:32:03 AM »

but bob was pretty darn good in his own right.

noworries · « **Reply #156 on:** July 06, 2009, 10:06:39 AM »

Quote from: Determinator on April 13, 2008, 05:27:54 AM

On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?

Well it's easier to say it when the guy is dead. Of course you can always ask most people who has heard of Chic and who has heard of Mentzer.

Tarantula157 · « **Reply #157 on:** July 07, 2009, 05:21:01 AM »

He just made a bodybuilding critique,nothing wrong with that.

churbro · « **Reply #158 on:** July 07, 2009, 07:33:35 AM »

Dickerson should have won in 1980, with Zane, Callendar, Mentzer, and Coe all ahead of Arnold. Arnold won because of who he was, not what he presented on stage.

But when you have things happening like Arnold being best man at the promoters wedding, one of the judges (Reg Park, Arnolds mentor) actually coaching Arnold from the judges table, and Franco jumping on and off stage helping Arnold, what other outcome could be expected?

lax · « **Reply #159 on:** July 07, 2009, 07:43:03 AM »

Quote from: churbro on July 07, 2009, 07:33:35 AM

Dickerson should have won in 1980, with Zane, Callendar, Mentzer, and Coe all ahead of Arnold. Arnold won because of who he was, not what he presented on stage.

But when you have things happening like Arnold being best man at the promoters wedding, one of the judges (Reg Park, Arnolds mentor) actually coaching Arnold from the judges table, and Franco jumping on and off stage helping Arnold, what other outcome could be expected?

VG post

lvtolft · « **Reply #160 on:** July 07, 2009, 07:45:36 AM »

Quote from: lax on July 07, 2009, 07:43:03 AM

VG post

Agreed

noworries · « **Reply #161 on:** July 07, 2009, 07:56:21 AM »

Quote from: churbro on July 07, 2009, 07:33:35 AM

Dickerson should have won in 1980, with Zane, Callendar, Mentzer, and Coe all ahead of Arnold. Arnold won because of who he was, not what he presented on stage.

But when you have things happening like Arnold being best man at the promoters wedding, one of the judges (Reg Park, Arnolds mentor) actually coaching Arnold from the judges table, and Franco jumping on and off stage helping Arnold, what other outcome could be expected?

Nice to have you on here Chris

churbro · « **Reply #162 on:** July 07, 2009, 08:08:16 AM »

Never been a big Dickerson fan but just based on the available pics I would put him just in front of Callendar, Coe, and Zane (in no particular order).

lax · « **Reply #163 on:** July 07, 2009, 08:10:22 AM »

Quote from: churbro on July 07, 2009, 08:08:16 AM

Never been a big Dickerson fan but just based on the available pics I would put him just in front of Callendar, Coe, and Zane (in no particular order).

both zane and dickerson smoke arnold in that shot

Howard · « **Reply #164 on:** July 07, 2009, 08:14:01 AM »

Quote from: gh15 on April 14, 2008, 02:58:38 PM

mentzer couldnt win the o because he was narrow and compact,,when you are narrow and compact you better have very big mesurments on the muscle and mentzer did not have it ,,he had a physiqe that reponnded very well to drugs but he tried to play the astetic game when in reality he was same as branch ,,thos guys look like local bodybuilders if they are not very big ansd thick ,,,,take the widness away and youll never win the big one or most likley any top pro show

Hmmmm, seems to me he won a few pro titles and his wt class ( over 200 lbs) at the Olympia.
I guess that never really happened and is my imagination

Howard · « **Reply #165 on:** July 07, 2009, 08:21:30 AM »

Quote from: BB on July 06, 2009, 09:07:58 AM

Mentzer was at the top of the heap amongst his peers and to be fair, we can only judge him in that regard. If one wanted to be really dicky about it, Mentzer had more success against his peers than Bob did against his, so in that regard Mentzer's Physique must of had someting going for it.

I agree with the actual, objective fact, that Mentzer had a great record as a pro BB in his era.
He won shows and his wt class at the Olympia.
BUT, Bob Chic is quick to pt out , this was not a Bob vs Mentzer thread.

Here is an example of how some argue a pt here on get big.

1. fan thread -I think Mentzer should have won the 1980 Olympia.

2. getbig logical reply- Yeah, but you couldn't beat Mentzer so he should have lost.

or: yeah but you suck so stfu .....
wtf?

Tarantula157 · « **Reply #166 on:** July 07, 2009, 08:29:49 AM »

Quote from: churbro on July 07, 2009, 07:33:35 AM

Dickerson should have won in 1980, with Zane, Callendar, Mentzer, and Coe all ahead of Arnold. Arnold won because of who he was, not what he presented on stage.

But when you have things happening like Arnold being best man at the promoters wedding, one of the judges (Reg Park, Arnolds mentor) actually coaching Arnold from the judges table, and Franco jumping on and off stage helping Arnold, what other outcome could be expected?

Dickerson and Zane were dwarfed by Arnold.Coe was too blocky(weak back and shoulders,big waist,no abs...)to win the Olympia.Mentzer?Bob already described him...

nicky.smth · « **Reply #167 on:** July 07, 2009, 08:35:13 AM »

Quote from: MAXX on April 13, 2008, 08:24:13 AM

childbearing hips?

he would have to have a C section no doubt about it...

Howard · « **Reply #168 on:** July 07, 2009, 08:36:54 AM »

The 1980 ( and 81) Olympias will go down as very controversial contests with no clear , obvious winner.
Bob Chic may feel that Mentzer had some legit flaws in his physique which is all part of the game.
I know that Mentzer had flaws but for his day, he had one of the best pro physiques on stage.

Tarantula157 · « **Reply #169 on:** July 07, 2009, 08:48:42 AM »

WEIBK · « **Reply #170 on:** July 07, 2009, 09:01:07 AM »

Quote from: Determinator on April 13, 2008, 05:27:54 AM

On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?

he was having a very great phyisque, as will as his brother, but he was conceited. May God rest his Soil in Peace.

Army of One · « **Reply #171 on:** July 07, 2009, 09:11:53 AM »

I fear Bob maybe going the sameway as Mentzer, people always hate people who share similar negative traits to them, Bob may soon be seen wondering round Venice beach, high on (yet more) illegal drugs, talking to himself.

Kegdrainer · « **Reply #172 on:** July 07, 2009, 01:46:00 PM »

So people really think BOB is better then MIKE MENTZER?

Here's their records for comparison.

MENTZER

1971 Mr. America - AAU, 10th
1971 Teen Mr America - AAU, 2nd
1975 Mr. America - IFBB, Medium, 3rd
1975 Mr. USA - ABBA, Medium, 2nd
1976 Mr. America - IFBB, Overall Winner
1976 Mr. America - IFBB, Medium, 1st
1976 Mr. Universe - IFBB, MiddleWeight, 2nd
1977 North American Championships - IFBB, Overall Winner
1977 North American Championships - IFBB, MiddleWeight, 1st
1977 Mr. Universe - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 2nd
1978 USA vs the World - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
1978 World Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
1979 Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, 2nd
1979 Florida Pro Invitational - IFBB, 1st
1979 Night of Champions - IFBB, 3rd
1979 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, HeavyWeight (over 200 pounds) 1st, Overall 2nd
1979 Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, 2nd
1979 Southern Pro Cup - IFBB, 1st
1980 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 5th

CHICK

1981 Natural America, Teen Tall, 4th
1983 AAU Mr New York State, Teen Tall, 1st and Overall
1987 NPC Junior Nationals, HeavyWeight, 1st and Overall
1987 NPC Nationals, Heavyweight, 5th
1988 NPC USA Championships, Heavyweight, 8th
1989 NPC Nationals, Heavyweight, 4th
1989 North American Championships, Heavyweight, 4th
1989 NPC USA Championships, Heavyweight, 2nd
1990 NPC Nationals, Light-Heavyweight, 5th
1993 NPC USA Championships, Heavyweight, 8th
1995 NPC USA Championships, Heavyweight, 15th
1996 NPC Nationals, Heavyweight, 8th
1999 NPC Nationals, Heavyweight, 2nd
2000 NPC USA Championships, Super-Heavyweight, 1st and Overall
2001 Night of Champions, 11th
2001 Toronto Pro Invitational, 5th
2002 Night of Champions, 2nd
2002 Mr. Olympia, 18th
2002 Show of Strength Pro Championship, 7th
2002 Southwest Pro Cup, 2nd
2003 Night of Champions, 6th
2004 Arnold Classic, 11th
2004 Ironman Pro Invitational, 8th
2005 New York Pro Championships, 8th
2005 San Francisco Pro Invitational, 9th
2006 Masters Pro World, 1st

Compare their 5 years as pros together, and the numbers don't lie.
Personal feelings aside, Mentzer > Bob Chick

noworries · « **Reply #173 on:** July 07, 2009, 03:45:30 PM »

Mentzer= 19 contests in 9 years (twice finished above 3rd)

Bob= 26 contests in 25 years (finished 18 times above 3rd)

What does this mean? I have no idea. I forgot

Kegdrainer · « **Reply #174 on:** July 07, 2009, 04:29:57 PM »

Quote from: noworries on July 07, 2009, 03:45:30 PM

Mentzer= 19 contests in 9 years (twice finished above 3rd)

Bob= 26 contests in 25 years (finished 18 times above 3rd)

What does this mean? I have no idea. I forgot

Well, that works too, but i was just comparing their 5 years competing as PROS. Obviously Mentzer was the more accomplished bodybuilder...