FOUND: The COMPLETE Dante Pennies Article - this is gold!

[natural al]

so let's see

this is the one thing that you would pick out that dante brought to the table?

it's after all dante and his methods were talking about here.

and what i asked was what can he teach us that hasnt be taught before that we all would benefit from.

here's one for ya...DON'T LISTEN TO HIM.  It's easy.  lots fo people have gotten great results from using his methods, if you don't want to do it no one is gonna loose any sleep over it.

I don't have time to type out long drawn out responses jsut to satisfy you, Ihave a few seconds here and there to do it.

[Bluto]

here's one for ya...DON'T LISTEN TO HIM.  It's easy.  lots fo people have gotten great results from using his methods, if you don't want to do it no one is gonna loose any sleep over it.

I don't have time to type out long drawn out responses jsut to satisfy you, Ihave a few seconds here and there to do it.

just asked you a simple question. dont be mad cause you dont know the answer.

ill ask him the same thing. maybe he got the time.

[natural al]

just asked you a simple question. dont be mad cause you dont know the answer.

ill ask him the same thing. maybe he got the time.

it's not a question where you can just throw out a generic answer, what part of the program don't you understand?

[Bluto]

it's not a question where you can just throw out a generic answer, what part of the program don't you understand?

i asked you to name something that he brought to the table that others hasnt before him - you started to talk about training with heavy weights ?!

then you backed into a corner claiming "you didnt have time" and now your answer is it's a lengthy package-deal, you gotta read it all and understand it all! and of course "many had great success with it"

you're full of shit. plain and simple.

either you talk about his methods or you dont. dont give me the bullshit about you doesnt have the time. if so log off.

[natural al]

i asked you to name something that he brought to the table that others hasnt before him - you started to talk about training with heavy weights ?!

then you backed into a corner claiming "you didnt have time" and now your answer is it's a lengthy package-deal, you gotta read it all and understand it all! and of course "many had great success with it"

you're full of shit. plain and simple.

either you talk about his methods or you dont. dont give me the bullshit about you doesnt have the time. if so log off.

bite me bluto, I don't have time to log 25,000+ posts, I post when I can, most of the time while I'm being paid not to be on the internet so if I can sneak something in it's cool.

keep doing your 2 a day training sessions with you're cute little pink db's and it'll all be good.

to answer your original question dante changed the way rest pause movements were done by increasing the rep range and the entire cadence of the movement.

[Bluto]

bite me bluto, I don't have time to log 25,000+ posts, I post when I can, most of the time while I'm being paid not to be on the internet so if I can sneak something in it's cool.

keep doing your 2 a day training sessions with you're cute little pink db's and it'll all be good.

to answer your original question dante changed the way rest pause movements were done by increasing the rep range and the entire cadence of the movement.

so if you would pick one thing it would be that people should include rest pause movements in their routines for tremendous results?

[natural al]

so if you would pick one thing it would be that people should include rest pause movements in their routines for tremendous results?

done in the way DC has you do it and taking in mind that a person could recover properly and follow the other basic guidelines of the program then that would be a great place to start, it's not about one aspect of the program it's about understanding the entire thing and taking the concepts and making them work for you, what you're asking is like me asking joe professional BB when I was younger how he built his arms and him telling me "curls"....you need more than one little piece of info to go off of. 

[Bluto]

done in the way DC has you do it and taking in mind that a person could recover properly and follow the other basic guidelines of the program then that would be a great place to start, it's not about one aspect of the program it's about understanding the entire thing and taking the concepts and making them work for you, what you're asking is like me asking joe professional BB when I was younger how he built his arms and him telling me "curls"....you need more than one little piece of info to go off of. 

ill stick with my pink dumbbells.

[natural al]

ill stick with my pink dumbbells.

I figured that out along time ago.

[Bluto]

I figured that out along time ago.

if aint broke, dont fix it.

bodybuilders done fine without rest pause whatever

[natural al]

if aint broke, dont fix it.

bodybuilders done fine without rest pause whatever

you can go into any gym in the world and see some guy training volume who looks the exact same as he did 5 years ago so I guess that doesn't work either.

[Bluto]

you can go into any gym in the world and see some guy training volume who looks the exact same as he did 5 years ago so I guess that doesn't work either.

if you say so, i dont go to the gym and pay attention to how other guys look

[DOGGCRAPP]

if you could pick one thing outta the ton of stuff that the mastermind dante brought to the world of bodybuilding and would be remembered for, what would it be?

Sure I can answer that. Dont waste valuable time during the day explaining or arguing with people about training. Why?

1) It screws up their belief system and they will argue the sky is red if it keeps them sane that their training that they are doing isnt going to waste

2) It truly is a huge waste of time. I dont care if someone does my methods or not and I sure as heck am not going to spend 35 minutes typing out why some guy named Bluto on Getbig should do my training when he is going to leave with his mind unchanged anyway. I dont care what training Bluto does. 35 minutes is important to me....and you dont register on that list.

3) That cycles for pennies took 2 years of time and you want it explained to you in a post (good luck)

4) Check the scoreboard (pictures, posts, threads etc) if it didnt work and work extremely well you would have never heard about it.

5) Name one guy in the past that did exactly 3 failure points of a broken up set with 10-15 deep breathes in between (Rest pause training has always been a set of 6 maximum singles) and you win the prize for the day.

6) Heres the big one. It just doesnt matter. It really doesnt. If I dont care what you do, then why do you care so badly? Does it screw up your belief system that tonite when you go lift maybe just maybe your not doing the most productive thing for you?

[bigguns23]

Amen.

[Bluto]

Sure I can answer that. Dont waste valuable time during the day explaining or arguing with people about training. Why?

1) It screws up their belief system and they will argue the sky is red if it keeps them sane that their training that they are doing isnt going to waste

2) It truly is a huge waste of time. I dont care if someone does my methods or not and I sure as heck am not going to spend 35 minutes typing out why some guy named Bluto on Getbig should do my training when he is going to leave with his mind unchanged anyway. I dont care what training Bluto does. 35 minutes is important to me....and you dont register on that list.

3) That cycles for pennies took 2 years of time and you want it explained to you in a post (good luck)

4) Check the scoreboard (pictures, posts, threads etc) if it didnt work and work extremely well you would have never heard about it.

5) Name one guy in the past that did exactly 3 failure points of a broken up set with 10-15 deep breathes in between (Rest pause training has always been a set of 6 maximum singles) and you win the prize for the day.

6) Heres the big one. It just doesnt matter. It really doesnt. If I dont care what you do, then why do you care so badly? Does it screw up your belief system that tonite when you go lift maybe just maybe your not doing the most productive thing for you?

not gonna read all that you need to learn how to get to the point with less words

[Emmortal]

not gonna read all that you need to learn how to get to the point with less words

Translation: I just got owned and am not man enough to admit it.

[Bluto]

Translation: I just got owned and am not man enough to admit it.

whos gimmick are you again? i cant keep up with you guys

[Fatpanda]

bluto is spot on, there is nothing dante 'invented' except a longer rest pause

everything else was being done by mentzer 20 years ago - don't believe me buy his books.

straight sets to failure - mentzer
1 set per muscle group - mentzer
increase in strength = increase in muscle - mentzer
progressive resistance - mentzer
rest pause - mentzer
extreme stretching - padilla
extreme protein intake - padilla + every bodybuider from the late 80's onward.
cycling excercises - westside


mentzer ideas + padilla ideas = doggcrapp.

dc training only works because steroids+weights+high protein= muscle - not because he uses longer rests between rest pauses 

dc training will over train any natural trainee with those rest pauses sooner or later - hence dante's recomendation of 1 straight set to failure for naturals (now where have i heard those recommendations before  )

i though getbig was the place that saw through bullshit 

[DOGGCRAPP]

LOL you havent read one thing Ive ever written have you? If you did you would be really embarassed at the post you just wrote.

Padilla? How bout Parillo? Put down the scotch. Man you cant even get that part right, nevermind the other stuff.

Nothing worse than a guy who writes a matter-of-fact post and he doesnt even have the facts straight LOL (1 straight set per muscle group? That aint me bro....actually read the subject matter next time before you take the test ok).

Let me guess, you stood up and talked about baking pies thinking it was Home Ec. in trigonometry class when everyone else was theorizing about the Pythagoreum Theorem.

[Bluto]

LOL you havent read one thing Ive ever written have you? If you did you would be really embarassed at the post you just wrote.

Padilla? How bout Parillo? Put down the scotch. Man you cant even get that part right, nevermind the other stuff.

Nothing worse than a guy who writes a matter-of-fact post and he doesnt even have the facts straight LOL (1 straight set per muscle group? That aint me bro....actually read the subject matter next time before you take the test ok).

Let me guess, you stood up and talked about baking pies thinking it was Home Ec. in trigonometry class when everyone else was theorizing about the Pythagoreum Theorem.

what do you bring to the table thats new?

[jason armstrong]

bluto is spot on, there is nothing dante 'invented' except a longer rest pause

everything else was being done by mentzer 20 years ago - don't believe me buy his books.

straight sets to failure - mentzer
1 set per muscle group - mentzer
increase in strength = increase in muscle - mentzer
progressive resistance - mentzer
rest pause - mentzer
extreme stretching - padilla
extreme protein intake - padilla + every bodybuider from the late 80's onward.
cycling excercises - westside

WRONG.

Joe Weider invented EVERYTHING.


please link Padilla's theories on high protein...his diet articles from the 80's when he was competing was less than 100 grams of protein a day and less than a 1000 cals when dieting working as a bagger in his daddy's grocery store...or maybe that was just more M & F bullshitttt

[natural al]

bluto is spot on, there is nothing dante 'invented' except a longer rest pause

everything else was being done by mentzer 20 years ago - don't believe me buy his books.

straight sets to failure - mentzer
1 set per muscle group - mentzer
increase in strength = increase in muscle - mentzer
progressive resistance - mentzer
rest pause - mentzer
extreme stretching - padilla
extreme protein intake - padilla + every bodybuider from the late 80's onward.
cycling excercises - westside


mentzer ideas + padilla ideas = doggcrapp.

dc training only works because steroids+weights+high protein= muscle - not because he uses longer rests between rest pauses 

dc training will over train any natural trainee with those rest pauses sooner or later - hence dante's recomendation of 1 straight set to failure for naturals (now where have i heard those recommendations before  )

i though getbig was the place that saw through bullshit 

I'm natural and I don't think I've ever felt like I've been overtrained since starting DC...hence the blast and cruise phases.

I didn't know that Danny was such a visionary when it came to training concepts and dietary advice...wow.

again, if you think it's bullshit don't do it...it's pretty simple.

[Fatpanda]

Padilla? How bout Parillo? Put down the scotch. Man you cant even get that part right, nevermind the other stuff.

Nothing worse than a guy who writes a matter-of-fact post and he doesnt even have the facts straight LOL (1 straight set per muscle group? That aint me bro....actually read the subject matter next time before you take the test ok).

look you fat fvck - i have read your advice/regurgitation of other peoples work on various bb forums and yes you have told wannabe 'clients' that if their recovery is poor, do one straight set to failure instead of the rest pauses - if i had the time to spare i would search for it over via google, but frankly i dont give a fvck. what you claim. i know you said it.

as for your admitance that you did indeed steal parillo's work i am glad. its about time, now if only you'll admit you stole mentzers ideas too, along with phil hernons and vince girondas, then maybe you'll get some respect from me.

as for me typing padilla,  that was simply a freudian slip, since i have been reading alot on the 81 mr o lately, but yes i can see why you pounced on it rather than answer bluto's question, it was the easy option  - for a liar, and charlatan like yourself.

tell me dante are you doing any shows soon?

or will you keep up the delusional pretense for a while then start postiing your excuses - i tried to diet for a show 4 times this year but, i got sick, i got busy at work, i got too many training clients, you got busy eating crispy cremes more like it.

also for someone who claims washing mince reduces calories - why are you such a fat piece of shit?

that is all.

[jason armstrong]

nice response resort to insults .....

[DOGGCRAPP]

     Bro I know your Mike Mentzers biggest fan and you have a seizure anytime anyone dents your heroic love for the guy. I have never ever read a Mike Mentzer article or book in my life. After talking to Dan Duchaine about the guy back in the day and hearing things like "The guys a bonafide nutjob, drugs upon drugs upon drugs with the most addictive personality around to just about anything put in front of him, "caught in front of golds in his underwear", rumors of "drinking his own urine", wandering the streets in a complete daze drooling".......I didnt really think much of the person to look into his literary works. I dont have to label what my thoughts are just because every HIT disciple out there thinks they OWN anything they percieve as low volume. I am not even low volume. Ive said this too many times to count (cut and pasted below).  I just dont count warmup sets--its that simple.

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If i got a big superheavy who is advanced and needs work on his chest

he might do something like this

incline barbell
135
185
225
275
315
365 x rp

then widowmaker exercise

flat flex press
135
185
225 x 24

thats 9 sets if you want to count it like most do

when i see Chris Cormier doing this

incline barbell
135
225
315
405 x 6

flat dumbells
100
130
150

Pek Dek
100
140
175

thats 10 sets--whats the difference--noone would ever say chris cormier does low volume

It drives me nuts when people try to categorize this as low volume or HIT---It is what it is and it sure as hell isnt HIT

I could just as well count warmup sets like everyone else does and it would change the mentality of the whole thing over the years"

Rest pause? Read about it in a Weider book on bodybuilding back in the day = 6 singles with maximum weight. I started breaking up sets in the early 90's starting with about 2 breaks and went up to about 7 of them before settling on 3 failure points on the way to 11-15 reps being the most productive. Has absolutely nothing to do with Mike Mentzer, nothing. Not even remotely close. I dont have much of an ego so thinking back I thought whats this most like? It seemed most like rest pause training as described in the Weider book back in the 80's so Ill just call it Rest Pause training instead of "Dante's patented 3 failure on the way to 11-15 reps training"....I dont give a crap.

IM sorry man but from what Ive heard, I think your hero was 2 hotdogs short of a dozen eggs. MG told me he hired him back in the day and the guy wanted him to hit one bodypart once a month or he would overtrain. WHAT?!?! Holy OCD. Train 12 times a year? IM the complete polar opposite of that. I want someone to train bodyparts as often as possible.

Stretching? Hell yea--Parillo all the way---no doubt the forefather of that. Absolutely and thats why you have seen me repeatedly quote Jon Parillo's name in print....as recently as Flex magazine and Musclemag Int'l but I guess you missed those issues with your daily prayer at the Mike Mentzer shrine. I believe in progressive weights and warming up thru 135 225 315 405 etc (whether it takes 3 or 55 warmup sets) to get there and I dont like to count warmups--yet believe in going all out on the last set.....and your hero doesnt own the rights to that (every bodybuilder who has ever trained hard owns the rights to that).  Mentzer does own the rights to drinking his own urine though, and stumbling thru the streets in his underwear.