Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!

[wes]

More chins than a Chinese phone book !! 

[mass 04]

Those are the hairiest forearms I've ever seen. i think Vince is Chewbacca's chubby bastard child.

[Meltdown]

Chick with all that has been typed you must admit that when guys like GH15 tells of MASSIVE amounts of Drugs used by IFBB Pros being around 10000mg per Fukin week something has to be done.FFS and the IFBB have Drug Rules.This is in part why so many are laughing at Pro BB all fukin drugs.And the sad truth is when guys are taking 10000mg a week it's TRUE ALL FUKIN DRUGS.IFBB Drug Rule = No Fukin Drug Rules.

[The ChemistV2]

The sport is a mess because guys like you STARTED it.....off on the wrong foot.

Speaking of points, you're missing it, as usual....I could give a shit what the guys are taking, or not taking...in any sport. People want to pay to see the BEST...and in our sport...the freaks... Not marginal, not "OK", not pretty good.

You think the sport would/ could be 10X the size it is now if the athletes were drug tested....that's laughable at best. I've already provided numerous examples as to why, you just choose to bury your head in trying to be "right" and win the argument, instead of taking it out of the sand and facing reality of modern day BB....just as YOU GUYS progressed from those before you, so did the guys in tyhe 80's, 90's and 2000's....bigger, more muscular and more detailed.

I wonder if the founders of BB hated YOU just as much for taking the integrity out of the sport and resorting to drugs instead of hard work and discipline...lack of moral and ethical sense,etc.....

As to what I've taken....real simple....what I believed neccessary to be at the same level as any other National contenders....and there was plenty I never used, insulin, synthol, IGF-1, any rec drug, tried GH twice...thought it was over rated, and over priced...discontinued it. That said...I never cared what anyone else used, and thought I actually had the advantage in NOT using such things...better look, smaller waist better symmetry.

If what Bob says is true, his accomplishments are more impressive considering he got to the level he did without abusing Gh, synthol, insulin, IGF-1. But I hardly think you can compare the dosages taken by guys like Larry Scott with the levels of guys today, that abuse to the point of Kidney failure, multiple heart attacks, etc. The problem is some guys say they only took 2 or 3 d-bols a day, back then, but it's hard to prove it unless you were there. But small doses of standard anabolics for short periods of time are pretty safe. Taking several grams a week of Androgens, tons of GH, Insulin, etc. for long periods of time(like GH15 advocates) is entering unchartered territory for long term side effects. I hardly think it's Bob's fault about what current pro's use. The bottom line is people aren't that interested in seeing Natural Bodybuilders, therefore ticket sales would suffer, and no one wants that. If the IFBB would enforce it's belly ban and synthol ban, then the athletes would be less likely to use the substances that produce those bodies.

[Meltdown]

The 1st Fool that used Synthol in BB should be shot what the Fuk is wrong with somebody who has weak arms and shoots Fukin oil in their arms and thinks not only that they look good but it is OK to go on stage and compete.The IFBB do Fuk all to stop this CRAP and continue to do nothing as they NEVER do any DRUD TESTS on Pros.Vince is busy contacting authorities to bring this practice to a head.

[Vince B]

Where is Bob Chick? I just got up so you have to factor in the time zones between Australia and USA.

Bob accuses the old timers of starting all the drug use. He has a point there because word of mouth and insider groups is how some of this information evolved. Scientists were hamstrung in their research into anabolic steroids by ethics committees. Clearly no university would pass a study with the protocols used today.

Speaking of which, we haven't heard anything back from Bob. I am completely candid about taking 2 Dianabol tablets a day for a few months before the Mr Canada contest. I went off those tablets about 4 weeks out but then started to lose a bit of size so resumed taking them up to the contest.

Bob seems like a huge guy. Must have 20 inch arms. If what he says is true that bodybuilders today have a choice about taking steroids, etc., then how come he can't post what drugs he thought were necessary to win even a Masters contest. I wonder if Bob is still using steroids to maintain his size? Now that would be interesting.

So, Bob, come clean and disclose what steroids you took, what dosages, and how long you had to take them. You posted that you weren't like some other pros and didn't use growth hormone, insulin and insulin growth factor. Nor did you inject oil substances into your muscles prior to competition. That is sensible of you. However, what are the necessary drug protocols that a sensible guy has to take to be able to compete on a level playing field?

[Chick]

Where is Bob Chick? I just got up so you have to factor in the time zones between Australia and USA.

Bob accuses the old timers of starting all the drug use. He has a point there because word of mouth and insider groups is how some of this information evolved. Scientists were hamstrung in their research into anabolic steroids by ethics committees. Clearly no university would pass a study with the protocols used today.

Speaking of which, we haven't heard anything back from Bob. I am completely candid about taking 2 Dianabol tablets a day for a few months before the Mr Canada contest. I went off those tablets about 4 weeks out but then started to lose a bit of size so resumed taking them up to the contest.

Bob seems like a huge guy. Must have 20 inch arms. If what he says is true that bodybuilders today have a choice about taking steroids, etc., then how come he can't post what drugs he thought were necessary to win even a Masters contest. I wonder if Bob is still using steroids to maintain his size? Now that would be interesting.

So, Bob, come clean and disclose what steroids you took, what dosages, and how long you had to take them. You posted that you weren't like some other pros and didn't use growth hormone, insulin and insulin growth factor. Nor did you inject oil substances into your muscles prior to competition. That is sensible of you. However, what are the necessary drug protocols that a sensible guy has to take to be able to compete on a level playing field?

Sorry Basile...had to train and make money today.

I will not provide a list to you, or anyone else for that matter. Spelling out a "blueprint" for others to follow would not only be stupid, but reckless on my part.

As to whats "neccessary"...that could varry a great deal...so what I took may certainly not be enough for someone else....I've known guys who took truckloads of shit and never made it out of local comnpetitions. By conrast, I've known some of the top BBers in the world and you would be shocked how LITTLE they had to use...genetics an how one responds to gear is the key...the best are the best for a reason, and it aint taking more gear than anyone else...just the opposite actually.

BTW...I don't believe for one minute that you only took 2 D-bol a day. Like all the golden oldies...the dosages get a lot smaller over the years.

[dr.chimps]

Sorry Basile...had to train and make money today.

I will not provide a list to you, or anyone else for that matter. Spelling out a "blueprint" for others to follow would not only be stupid, but reckless on my part.

As to whats "neccessary"...that could varry a great deal...so what I took may certainly not be enough for someone else....I've known guys who took truckloads of shit and never made it out of local comnpetitions. By conrast, I've known some of the top BBers in the world and you would be shocked how LITTLE they had to use...genetics an how one responds to gear is the key...the best are the best for a reason, and it aint taking more gear than anyone else...just the opposite actually.

BTW...I don't believe for one minute that you only took 2 D-bol a day. Like all the golden oldies...the dosages get a lot smaller over the years.

And he walked uphill to get them - both ways!   

[Vince B]

Talk about steroids on Getbig is hardly a level playing field. I disclose exactly what I took, how much, and for how long whereas Bob C admits using steroids but refuses to disclose anything at all. To mask his usage he accuses me of lying about how much Dianabol I took. You see, this is dishonesty personified on the net. He provides nothing at all yet accuses me of lying. I mean, can it be any clearer that Bob Chick is not playing ball here. I don't challenge his honesty re statements made here. Why should anyone challenge what I said about something I am not proud of? Why should I say I took less than I did? That is something I never do. I never distort or change what has happened in the past. That would be like changing reality and I so dislike when other people do that. Either something happened or it did not. Sometimes people don't recollect accurately but that is another matter. I guess when someone on Getbig tells the truth he is scoffed at because so many exaggerate what they can do and how big they are.

Well, Bob, I am waiting for an answer. I guess the unspoken truth is you had to take plenty of steroids to achieve your physique. Put us in the ball park. If 2 Dianabol tablets a day equals 1 unit, then how many units did you take of anabolic steroids?

[The ChemistV2]

Talk about steroids on Getbig is hardly a level playing field. I disclose exactly what I took, how much, and for how long whereas Bob C admits using steroids but refuses to disclose anything at all. To mask his usage he accuses me of lying about how much Dianabol I took. You see, this is dishonesty personified on the net. He provides nothing at all yet accuses me of lying. I mean, can it be any clearer that Bob Chick is not playing ball here. I don't challenge his honesty re statements made here. Why should anyone challenge what I said about something I am not proud of? Why should I say I took less than I did? That is something I never do. I never distort or change what has happened in the past. That would be like changing reality and I so dislike when other people do that. Either something happened or it did not. Sometimes people don't recollect accurately but that is another matter. I guess when someone on Getbig tells the truth he is scoffed at because so many exaggerate what they can do and how big they are.

Well, Bob, I am waiting for an answer. I guess the unspoken truth is you had to take plenty of steroids to achieve your physique. Put us in the ball park. If 2 Dianabol tablets a day equals 1 unit, then how many units did you take of anabolic steroids?

Hey Vince, you do look good in that shot..but why don't you stop antagonizing Bob. You can't expect him to spell everything out in writing. He may be in a position one day where he doesn't want to have that info used against him. If it helps..he probably used a little more than 2 d-bol tabs a day. And why are you acting like because you did a few light cycles , you have to be ashamed of yourself forever. If you didn't abuse your health and you can still get it up, just be happy. If you feel you need to redeem yourself, then give yourself 6 months, get in top shape and post your pics. Otherwise you're going to come off...bitter.

[Vince B]

In this and other threads with Bob we have been debating professional bodybuilding. My position is that drugs have no place in the sport and testing should be always be done both in and outside of contests. Bob insists this is only a small sport and the fans want to see giants on stage. Therefore, drugs are okay. The IFBB has long been against drugs and have definite rules against using banned substances. Somehow those rules aren't enforced and Bob defends that by claiming the drugs are necessary to give the fans what they want. I explain that is a pathetic justification. The pros, including retired Bob, seem to need these drugs to be at the level they are. This attitude results in the current situation where everyone is heavily using and no one seems to be complaining. Add to that the reality that if you did complain you wouldn't be able to place above 8th in any of the top contests.

I haven't used steroids since 1977 or 78 and won't again. I can train and build myself up better than before without any help from pharmaceuticals or supplements. I just am not motivated to do it. For a start I am on line too damn much and I also am a keen photographer.

Bob, on the other hand, is reluctant to disclose his choice to use steroids but has no problem specifying which drugs he didn't use. I suppose if we subtract that list from published pro drug protocols then it would be fair to state he used and possibly still uses plenty of those drugs. Why should he be ashamed of using steroids if they are necessary to win a top title? This is just a small internet cult and no one is paying even the slightest attention to what anyone does. All those big muscles and the guy is a wimp.

One thing is certain, he doesn't need anyone to speak for him because he always likes to get the last word in. I predict more putdowns and insults directed my way.

[Chick]

In this and other threads with Bob we have been debating professional bodybuilding. My position is that drugs have no place in the sport and testing should be always be done both in and outside of contests. Bob insists this is only a small sport and the fans want to see giants on stage. Therefore, drugs are okay. The IFBB has long been against drugs and have definite rules against using banned substances. Somehow those rules aren't enforced and Bob defends that by claiming the drugs are necessary to give the fans what they want. I explain that is a pathetic justification. The pros, including retired Bob, seem to need these drugs to be at the level they are. This attitude results in the current situation where everyone is heavily using and no one seems to be complaining. Add to that the reality that if you did complain you wouldn't be able to place above 8th in any of the top contests.

I haven't used steroids since 1977 or 78 and won't again. I can train and build myself up better than before without any help from pharmaceuticals or supplements. I just am not motivated to do it. For a start I am on line too damn much and I also am a keen photographer.

Bob, on the other hand, is reluctant to disclose his choice to use steroids but has no problem specifying which drugs he didn't use. I suppose if we subtract that list from published pro drug protocols then it would be fair to state he used and possibly still uses plenty of those drugs. Why should he be ashamed of using steroids if they are necessary to win a top title? This is just a small internet cult and no one is paying even the slightest attention to what anyone does. All those big muscles and the guy is a wimp.

One thing is certain, he doesn't need anyone to speak for him because he always likes to get the last word in. I predict more putdowns and insults directed my way.

Unneccessary...you said pretty much nothing in this post.

You've been schooled in what reality is vs what YOU believe would be the magical cure for pro bodybuilding to advance...this is the reason you've abandoned the debate and for some odd reason, think if I disclose what i decided to use/ not use during my competing...this will solve the problem you believe exsist.

[Vince B]

Okay, Bob, I need to be simple. My allegation is that you used steroids to prepare for bodybuilding contests which included your victories in recent years. Is this true?

[Chick]

Okay, Bob, I need to be simple. My allegation is that you used steroids to prepare for bodybuilding contests which included your victories in recent years. Is this true?

Sure is.....just like you did.

[dogpound]

Vince will be replying in t-minus 10 seconds.

[Vince B]

No, Bob, you were much bigger than I ever got so I imagine you used more than 2 Dianabol a day for a couple of months.

I respect you for answering the question. That is a breakthrough.

[Chick]

No, Bob, you were much bigger than I ever got so I imagine you used more than 2 Dianabol a day for a couple of months.

I respect you for answering the question. That is a breakthrough.

Not really...just shows how whacked you are for thinking it is.

BTW....genetics play the bigger part, not the drugs.....I looked better than you without drugs at 16 than you did in your heyday

[candidizzle]

2 dianabol isn't going to do jack shit you fucking liar, Vince


more like you took as much dbol you could afford to take, along with any other substance you thought would help you and you could get your hands on.

your nod different than any other bb'er.

well, wait, actually yes you are very different than most bb'ers, in of that your physique BLEW NUTS.  

now go back to your hypocritical anti steroids rants you closet homo

[Vince B]

Bob, before you log off how about clearing the air about steroid use. Do you use steroids to maintain your size even if you are not competing? Just wondering because everyone said you still look huge and you haven't competed in some time now.

Just some advice since you haven't been married long. Don't tell your wife you have business on the computer when you are debating here late at night. Put your wife and family first and don't worry about Getbig and other sites. From the frequency and timing of your posts I would say you have an internet addiction.

[Chick]

Bob, before you log off how about clearing the air about steroid use. Do you use steroids to maintain your size even if you are not competing? Just wondering because everyone said you still look huge and you haven't competed in some time now.

Just some advice since you haven't been married long. Don't tell your wife you have business on the computer when you are debating here late at night. Put your wife and family first and don't worry about Getbig and other sites. From the frequency and timing of your posts I would say you have an internet addiction.

First off...the last person I need advice from ...is you.

No, Basile..I don't bother unless I'm prepping for a show, which hasn't been since 06....never needed to. I maintain good size because I have good genetics and I've been training nearly 30 years...the first 9 drug free. Thats why I had a better physique than you did at 16...perhaps you want to start a poll on that one you can waste your time on......maybe not on second thought.

[Van_Bilderass]

I can train and build myself up better than before without any help from pharmaceuticals or supplements. I just am not motivated to do it. For a start I am on line too damn much and I also am a keen photographer.

Classic quote right here. 

[Vince B]

Bob, you join Goodrum in refusing to take good advice. Don't stay online after 10 pm or you will be sorry.

[Chick]

Bob, you join Goodrum in refusing to take good advice. Don't stay online after 10 pm or you will be sorry.

LOL.....yeah...this is the guy I'll be taking advices from.

[Vince B]

Bob, we both have Italian fathers. Glad you looked at my photo albums.

[d0nny2600]

Bob, we both have Italian fathers. Glad you looked at my photo albums.

Great thread.
Bob you are seriously shredded in those pics Vince is posting. Your argument is very good and you display a very high intellect. Vince on the other hand is displaying bitterness and a whole lot of "This should be done and this should be done....but I'm not going to do anything..." nonsense.
The reality is steroids are here to stay in BB, the dosages will increase as the years go by. It will never be a natural sport - people will continue to find undetectable drugs etc and we will be seeing 400lb shredded pros in the not so distant future...Unless of course Vince changes everything and becomes Mr O!