Kovacs said Nasser took 10,000 mg a week on the "other" radio show

[honest]

im with you, finding out cycles like that to be true basically retired me, that is not the norm, the advice i recieved stateside was a lot milder than that but it was still way to high for what i would consider to use, and there was no doubt years later cycles were going to have to look a lot like that one if you wanted to continue to improve, in my experiance its a sad thing but mgs = kgs of lean bodyweight to a degree, certainly once you had got to the top of your potential at a specific dose, meaning 3000mgs per week = 110kg guy, if you have used that dose quite a few times and your guru tells you for your height you need to be bigger, it means more of everything 4000mgs per week obviously an increase in others as well such as food heavier weights etc. will probably put a few more lean kgs on you in a year, with guy weighing 120 to 130 believe me cycles like that were being used to get there.

[gh15]

Daily 2x testex 250   = 3500mgs week
test cypt 10ml wk    = 2000mgs week
Deca 10ml per week = 2000mgs per week
Anapolan 2 per day  = 700mgs per week
HGH         6 to 12iu per day

This above cycle is a cycle that i know was being taken by pros from an area in the world late 90s, it is real some also added tren to this obviously there are other meds that went with it, but believe me this cycle was common place for quite a few of the pros from there, They were all being advised by one guy and it wasnt Treover Smith or Paul Borrenson this guy to this day is the only guru who i know has stayed under the radar and the last guy he helped retired about 4 years ago, but this was more or less a staple with him,  

very good mr honest,,again honest and van demonstare exact numbers to the t when ever they write something ,,this is not the highest but it is common especially in the internet era of 1996 to 2006,,

here is my doses the way they used to be at the highest

omna or infars 1-2 amp per day
testex elmu or testoviron 1 amp per day
nanrolone decanoate 600-1200mgmg a week
equipose 600-1200mg a week
dianabol - about 10-20 tablets a day = 50-100mg a day (anadrol when changing diet to lower calories)
hgh 15-25units a day depends on timing (days i was awake 13 hours i used less ...days i was awake 18 hours used more
insulin - forget about it you wont believe ,,did not use insulin on a regular basis and used it short term since i only wanted it at specific times of the year

primobolan whenever i got it from turky - 1200mg a week only on calorie restricted diet
halotestin from mexico on prep at 30-40mg a day legit halo!
trenbolone i only used when it was done by specific person that many ifbb get it from since he uses real pelets and not the chinease poweder crap 100-150mg a day also for short period of time

nolvadex ,,aromasin,,letrozole,,usually 1 -3 mg  every day or every other day depending wether bulking or preping

now you do the math ,,there are many guys PROFESSIONALS AND AMATUERS THAT CAN ONLY MAINTAIN 300LB OF QUALITY OR DECNENT QUALITY WITH 10GRAM WHICH = 10000MG OF AAS AND RELATED HORMONES,,infact i know no one who can maintain 300lb at 5'10 with good condition on less than 5-6 grams of aas

[bigguns23]

very good mr honest,,again honest and van demonstare exact numbers to the t when ever they write something ,,this is not the highest but it is common especially in the internet era of 1996 to 2006,,

here is my doses the way they used to be at the highest

omna or infars 1-2 amp per day
testex elmu or testoviron 1 amp per day
nanrolone decanoate 600-1200mgmg a week
equipose 600-1200mg a week
dianabol - about 10-20 tablets a day = 50-100mg a day (anadrol when changing diet to lower calories)
hgh 15-25units a day depends on timing (days i was awake 13 hours i used less ...days i was awake 18 hours used more
insulin - forget about it you wont believe ,,did not use insulin on a regular basis and used it short term since i only wanted it at specific times of the year

primobolan whenever i got it from turky - 1200mg a week only on calorie restricted diet
halotestin from mexico on prep at 30-40mg a day legit halo!
trenbolone i only used when it was done by specific person that many ifbb get it from since he uses real pelets and not the chinease poweder crap 100-150mg a day also for short period of time

nolvadex ,,aromasin,,letrozole,,usually 1 -3 mg  every day or every other day depending wether bulking or preping

now you do the math ,,there are many guys PROFESSIONALS AND AMATUERS THAT CAN ONLY MAINTAIN 300LB OF QUALITY OR DECNENT QUALITY WITH 10GRAM WHICH = 10000MG OF AAS AND RELATED HORMONES,,infact i know no one who can maintain 300lb at 5'10 with good condition on less than 5-6 grams of aas

I say god damn Equipose is the shit. Stack that with some test wohhh mama. Atleast it did good for me anyways. 

[aussiepro]

Nasser's upcoming book actually has details of his own usage and dosages.

From what I understand, pros take 2000 to 2500 mg of test + other compounds.  Most have experimented by taking up to about 5000 mg temporarily but didn't find it to be of any added benefit.

in his book he also talks about how to be bitter about a show more than 10 years ago, and how to look like a complete tool and abuse synthol...
oh and how to beat up your wife....
and how to have great 7 second sex

[chaos]

no way in hell any pro uses that much, i don't even think GH15 has even said that, from what i remember he said 5 grams or so is the most, you're right about kovacs though, he looks like a fuccking monster there.

now you do the math ,,there are many guys PROFESSIONALS AND AMATUERS THAT CAN ONLY MAINTAIN 300LB OF QUALITY OR DECNENT QUALITY WITH 10GRAM WHICH = 10000MG OF AAS AND RELATED HORMONES,,infact i know no one who can maintain 300lb at 5'10 with good condition on less than 5-6 grams of aas

[Hurricane Beef !]

I know plenty of gym rats who have done 500mg daily of test and done it for years. Don't read anything more into this, it's simply a statement of fact. 

Why did we keep discussing this after this comment. Fact is this is a man who is as inside and insightful as they come.

This might be the wrong board, but Disgusted can you comment on how dbol is widely used? 1 dose per day, splitting the doses up through out the day. Evey day during your planed useage or just on training days.

Also, do you have a site where someone can pay a few bucks per questin to have it answered?

The Beef

[Disgusted]

Why did we keep discussing this after this comment. Fact is this is a man who is as inside and insightful as they come.

This might be the wrong board, but Disgusted can you comment on how dbol is widely used? 1 dose per day, splitting the doses up through out the day. Evey day during your planed useage or just on training days.

Also, do you have a site where someone can pay a few bucks per questin to have it answered?

The Beef

Most guys I know take 50 to 100 mg per day. They usually split that does up in two doses. Take it everyday. I don't mind answering questions. If there is something that you want to ask, but not on the board just pm me.

[Brutal_1]

There's gotta be a disorder where people always have to inject something.  I knew a guy who HAD to inject himself everyday...if he missed a day he felt horrible!  It didn't matter what it was, he injected whatever he had EVERYDAY!

No joke, we were at his place once and he had just run out of whatever he had...and I saw this guy inject WATER!!! lolol...NO JOKE!!!  Serious psychiatric problems...i'm sure he'll do well in the pro ranks 

[Hurricane Beef !]

Most guys I know take 50 to 100 mg per day. They usually split that does up in two doses. Take it everyday. I don't mind answering questions. If there is something that you want to ask, but not on the board just pm me.

A class act . . . thank you.

The Beef

[JimmyThomson]

Back in the late 60's as early 70's I took 5 dianabol per day and a shot of Deca once a fortnight. I went cold turkey 4 months of the year.  Arnold took 40 dianabol per day when he was living at Wag Bennets house. We trained together at that time as I was working for the Bowater corporation as a management accountant. Arnold took dianabol like others take sweeties. But he went cold turkey 6 months of the year from November to May. Thats why he got so small (around 200 lbs).

[The Squadfather]

Back in the late 60's as early 70's I took 5 dianabol per day and a shot of Deca once a fortnight. I went cold turkey 4 months of the year.  Arnold took 40 dianabol per day when he was living at Wag Bennets house. We trained together at that time as I was working for the Bowater corporation as a management accountant. Arnold took dianabol like others take sweeties. But he went cold turkey 6 months of the year from November to May. Thats why he got so small (around 200 lbs).

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM.

[bigguns23]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM.

I want to look that good when I'm that age.

[Disgusted]

Back in the late 60's as early 70's I took 5 dianabol per day and a shot of Deca once a fortnight. I went cold turkey 4 months of the year.  Arnold took 40 dianabol per day when he was living at Wag Bennets house. We trained together at that time as I was working for the Bowater corporation as a management accountant. Arnold took dianabol like others take sweeties. But he went cold turkey 6 months of the year from November to May. Thats why he got so small (around 200 lbs).

You know I always thought if I had to guess it would be about 40 to 50 daily. They were only 5 mg back then but people swear they were better.

[The Squadfather]

I want to look that good when I'm that age.

well then get your arms to shrink 9 inches and swallow a beach ball so your stomach sticks out further than your chest and you'll be in business.

[Van_Bilderass]

I don't mind answering questions. If there is something that you want to ask, but not on the board just pm me.

Disgusted do you think growth hormone use can change the bone structure significantly? Say enough so that your shoe size or hat size goes up? You always hear these stories about this happening, even in the main stream media as in the case of Barry Bonds. I sort of doubt Bonds used so much growth that it made his feet and head grow dramatically. What do you think?

[The Squadfather]

hahahahaa, 10 grams of hormones, 8 pounds of fish a day, 25,000 pound bench presses, why are these clowns only 240-250 pounds onstage then?

[Disgusted]

Disgusted do you think growth hormone use can change the bone structure significantly? Say enough so that your shoe size or hat size goes up? You always hear these stories about this happening, even in the main stream media as in the case of Barry Bonds. I sort of doubt Bonds used so much growth that it made his feet and head grow dramatically. What do you think?

Well, in a one word answer I would have to say no. As I'm sure you already know once your an adult your bones can only thicken. I don't think these guy are on high dose year round to cause that. I have talked to some pros and the highest I have heard was 18iu daily but this was for a show. Most that I know of go anywhere between 6 to 10. I have noticed one or two of the pros look as if they are showing some of these signs though, but not to the degree with someone who has acromeglia.

[Disgusted]

hahahahaa, 10 grams of hormones, 8 pounds of fish a day, 25,000 pound bench presses, why are these clowns only 240-250 pounds onstage then?

This clown weighs 300 pounds.

[The Squadfather]

This clown weighs 300 pounds.

you know what i mean, for Christ's sake i have a Samoan friend i used to lift with who is 6'3" and 340 pounds in decent condition and he's never touched a thing, 500 pound bencher, 800 pound squatter, 35 inch legs, how piss poor are your genetics if you're running 10 grma of gear a week and you're 275 offseason and 240 onstage?

[Van_Bilderass]

Well, in a one word answer I would have to say no. As I'm sure you already know once your an adult your bones can only thicken. I don't think these guy are on high dose year round to cause that. I have talked to some pros and the highest I have heard was 18iu daily but this was for a show. Most that I know of go anywhere between 6 to 10. I have noticed one or two of the pros look as if they are showing some of these signs though, but not to the degree with someone who has acromeglia.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking as well. Tim Fogarty seems to think all the pros and top amateurs are acromegalic and ugly due to the growth. 

[Disgusted]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking as well. Tim Fogarty seems to think all the pros and top amateurs are acromegalic and ugly due to the growth. 

I think Tim is into the little skinny guys so he wouldn't find any of the BB pretty. 

[Disgusted]

you know what i mean, for Christ's sake i have a Samoan friend i used to lift with who is 6'3" and 340 pounds in decent condition and he's never touched a thing, 500 pound bencher, 800 pound squatter, 35 inch legs, how piss poor are your genetics if you're running 10 grma of gear a week and you're 275 offseason and 240 onstage?

Samoans are the exception when it comes to plain genetic size though. Also you need to realize that even your friend would not end up on stage any where near a ripped 250.

[Van_Bilderass]

how piss poor are your genetics if you're running 10 grma of gear a week and you're 275 offseason and 240 onstage?

Not piss poor necessarily. That weight is Dorian Yates range when he won his first O. Not saying Doz ran that much though. A 300lb O winner is still in the future. Seems like the current drugs aren't enough to break through that barrier, no matter what the dose.

[WillGrant]

yup..still..   3cc's in the ass...    im gonna need to do some deeper heavier squats 

3CC = 3ML Right? shit I do that into each delt ,so it isnt that much

[candidizzle]

3CC = 3ML Right? shit I do that into each delt ,so it isnt that much

maybe im just still too small.