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Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« on: April 18, 2008, 01:12:25 PM »
April 18, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
How Obama Fell to Earth
By DAVID BROOKS
Back in Iowa, Barack Obama promised to be something new — an unconventional leader who would confront unpleasant truths, embrace novel policies and unify the country. If he had knocked Hillary Clinton out in New Hampshire and entered general-election mode early, this enormously thoughtful man would have become that.

But he did not knock her out, and the aura around Obama has changed. Furiously courting Democratic primary voters and apparently exhausted, Obama has emerged as a more conventional politician and a more orthodox liberal.

He sprinkled his debate performance Wednesday night with the sorts of fibs, evasions and hypocrisies that are the stuff of conventional politics. He claimed falsely that his handwriting wasn’t on a questionnaire about gun control. He claimed that he had never attacked Clinton for her exaggerations about the Tuzla airport, though his campaign was all over it. Obama piously condemned the practice of lifting other candidates’ words out of context, but he has been doing exactly the same thing to John McCain, especially over his 100 years in Iraq comment.

Obama also made a pair of grand and cynical promises that are the sign of someone who is thinking more about campaigning than governing.

He made a sweeping read-my-lips pledge never to raise taxes on anybody making less than $200,000 to $250,000 a year. That will make it impossible to address entitlement reform any time in an Obama presidency. It will also make it much harder to afford the vast array of middle-class tax breaks, health care reforms and energy policy Manhattan Projects that he promises to deliver.

Then he made an iron vow to get American troops out of Iraq within 16 months. Neither Obama nor anyone else has any clue what the conditions will be like when the next president takes office. He could have responsibly said that he aims to bring the troops home but will make a judgment at the time. Instead, he rigidly locked himself into a policy that will not be fully implemented for another three years.

If Obama is elected, he will either go back on this pledge — in which case he would destroy his credibility — or he will risk genocide in the region and a viciously polarizing political war at home.

Then there are the cultural issues. Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos of ABC News are taking a lot of heat for spending so much time asking about Jeremiah Wright and the “bitter” comments. But the fact is that voters want a president who basically shares their values and life experiences. Fairly or not, they look at symbols like Michael Dukakis in a tank, John Kerry’s windsurfing or John Edwards’s haircut as clues about shared values.

When Obama began this ride, he seemed like a transcendent figure who could understand a wide variety of life experiences. But over the past months, things have happened that make him seem more like my old neighbors in Hyde Park in Chicago.

Some of us love Hyde Park for its diversity and quirkiness, as there are those who love Cambridge and Berkeley. But it is among the more academic and liberal places around. When Obama goes to a church infused with James Cone-style liberation theology, when he makes ill-informed comments about working-class voters, when he bowls a 37 for crying out loud, voters are going to wonder if he’s one of them. Obama has to address those doubts, and he has done so poorly up to now.

It was inevitable that the period of “Yes We Can!” deification would come to an end. It was not inevitable that Obama would now look so vulnerable. He’ll win the nomination, but in a matchup against John McCain, he is behind in Florida, Missouri and Ohio, and merely tied in must-win states like Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. A generic Democrat now beats a generic Republican by 13 points, but Obama is trailing his own party. One in five Democrats say they would vote for McCain over Obama.

General election voters are different from primary voters. Among them, Obama is lagging among seniors and men. Instead of winning over white high school-educated voters who are tired of Bush and conventional politics, he does worse than previous nominees. John Judis and Ruy Teixeira have estimated a Democrat has to win 45 percent of such voters to take the White House. I’ve asked several of the most skillful Democratic politicians over the past few weeks, and they all think that’s going to be hard.

A few months ago, Obama was riding his talents. Clinton has ground him down, and we are now facing an interesting phenomenon. Republicans have long assumed they would lose because of the economy and the sad state of their party. Now, Democrats are deeply worried their nominee will lose in November.

Welcome to 2008. Everybody’s miserable.

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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2008, 01:14:32 PM »
Welcome to 2008. Everybody’s miserable.

Repubs too.

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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2008, 01:25:25 PM »
No democrat cares about the opinion of (republican) David Brooks. He gave the moderators of the ABC an A+ for their debate questions, for Christ sake. What a dummy.
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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2008, 01:29:47 PM »
What because they asked about guys like this....

Sen. Barack Obama has compared a conservative U.S. senator with a former member of a 1960s-era radical group that bombed the Pentagon, the U.S. Capitol and other buildings.

At the Democratic debate in Philadelphia Wednesday night, Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to defend his friendship with former Weather Underground member William Ayers, who never apologized for a series of bomb attacks in the early 1970s. In fact, on September 11, 2001, The New York Times quoted Ayers as saying, "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough."

Obama said he knows Ayers as "a guy who lives in my neighborhood" and who works as a professor at the University of Illinois in Chicago.

How about saying he hates wht the guy did...instead he whines like a bitch and says this...


And the notion that somehow, as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense," Obama said.

"The fact is that I'm also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate, who during his campaign once said that it might be appropriate to apply the death penalty to those who carried out abortions. Do I need to apologize for Mr. Coburn's statements? Because I certainly don't agree with those, either," Obama said.


Its like something out of a 4th grade shouting match. Obama is great when he has a prepared speech...but when he fires from the hip...not so much.

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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2008, 01:33:19 PM »
No democrat socialist cares about the opinion of (republican) David Brooks.

Fixed it for you.


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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2008, 01:38:19 PM »
What because they asked about guys like this....

Sen. Barack Obama has compared a conservative U.S. senator with a former member of a 1960s-era radical group that bombed the Pentagon, the U.S. Capitol and other buildings.

At the Democratic debate in Philadelphia Wednesday night, Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to defend his friendship with former Weather Underground member William Ayers, who never apologized for a series of bomb attacks in the early 1970s. In fact, on September 11, 2001, The New York Times quoted Ayers as saying, "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough."

Obama said he knows Ayers as "a guy who lives in my neighborhood" and who works as a professor at the University of Illinois in Chicago.

How about saying he hates wht the guy did...instead he whines like a bitch and says this...


And the notion that somehow, as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense," Obama said.

"The fact is that I'm also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate, who during his campaign once said that it might be appropriate to apply the death penalty to those who carried out abortions. Do I need to apologize for Mr. Coburn's statements? Because I certainly don't agree with those, either," Obama said.


Its like something out of a 4th grade shouting match. Obama is great when he has a prepared speech...but when he fires from the hip...not so much.

Funny...when I saw Obama speak in person last summer he wasn't using a "prepared speach" and he was great. As are many of his rallies in front of 10,000 and 15,000 people crowds.

If you think a non-issue like the Weather Underground crap matters to the American people, you will really cry yourself to sleep when Obama is sworn in. Maybe even kill yourself.  :)
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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2008, 01:49:27 PM »
Nope I'll be to busy fighting in all the UN sponsed brush wars this idiot will have us conducting.  It matters to me...I guess u speak for America now...I expect not!

Yes it was a prepared speech...he memorized it. He rehersed and was prepared. He's gone off the tracks a number of times, either in responses to questions or when just speaking off the cuff.
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2008, 02:01:09 PM »
Nope I'll be to busy fighting in all the UN sponsed brush wars this idiot will have us conducting.  It matters to me...I guess u speak for America now...I expect not!

Yes it was a prepared speech...he memorized it. He rehersed and was prepared. He's gone off the tracks a number of times, either in responses to questions or when just speaking off the cuff.
So when your hero McCain (who you are on the record as supporting )speaks off the cuff he is a genius, right? The guy doesn't even know who we're fighting in Iraq and that is supposed to be his best issue.  ::)

What are these "brush wars" you speak of? Are you prepared to do another tour of duty in Iraq and then do a tour in Iran under a McCain administration?
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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2008, 02:21:19 PM »
Dude..I'm going back in 09' regardless..regardless of the president..and I'll go back 10 more times..regardless of the president. I'm a soldier its my job. Bush can baely speak..so what I'm talking about ur hero..Mccain is my only alternative. I don't really like him..but I have no other choice.
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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2008, 02:24:43 PM »
Dude..I'm going back in 09' regardless..regardless of the president..and I'll go back 10 more times..regardless of the president. I'm a soldier its my job. Bush can baely speak..so what I'm talking about ur hero..Mccain is my only alternative. I don't really like him..but I have no other choice.

Do the words "Nuremberg defense" ring any bells?


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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2008, 02:33:29 PM »
Do the words "Nuremberg defense" ring any bells?

Are you accusing the U.S. military of war crimes?


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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2008, 02:43:07 PM »
Are you accusing the U.S. military of war crimes?



Oh, no! No objective party would have any problems with unprovoked invasion.


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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2008, 05:19:03 PM »
Oh, no! No objective party would have any problems with unprovoked invasion.

Good. Especially considering both parties and the UN authorized this bullshit war.

Take your pissing an moaning to the politicians and policy-makers.

We're all aware of your contempt for the military (and yourself). Further blathering by you is just boring.



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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2008, 05:47:38 PM »
Good. Especially considering both parties and the UN authorized this bullshit war.

Take your pissing an moaning to the politicians and policy-makers.

We're all aware of your contempt for the military (and yourself). Further blathering by you is just boring.




Meltdown much?  ;D

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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2008, 06:06:51 PM »
Good. Especially considering both parties and the UN authorized this bullshit war.





Zing!

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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2008, 06:08:23 PM »
Zing!

I'm not surprised that a Ron Paul dickrider doesn't even know recent history. 

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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2008, 06:13:11 PM »
I'm not surprised that a Ron Paul dickrider doesn't even know recent history. 

hahaha Maybe I should read Bobbit's book?

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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2008, 06:20:00 PM »
hahaha Maybe I should read Bobbit's book?

No, you wouldn't want to overwhelm yourself.

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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2008, 06:21:19 PM »
No, you wouldn't want to overwhelm yourself.

I bet you read his book in a nightgown.

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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2008, 06:23:16 PM »
I bet you read his book in a nightgown.

Quit fantasizing about me creep.  Isn't Ron Paul enough?

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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2008, 06:24:18 PM »
Quit fantasizing about me creep.  Isn't Ron Paul enough?


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Re: Op-Ed about Obama in NYT
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2008, 06:43:05 PM »