Science Explains Rickson Gracie.

[CigaretteMan]

  This is a video which finally explains scientifically, from an anatomical and mechanicistic perspective why Rickson Gracie is as great a fighter as he is.

  For the few of you who might not know, Rickson Gracie is a jiu-jitsu and MMA fighter who is arguably the greatest of all times. He holds a record of 460 professional wins against bxers, kickboxers, kung-fu masters, karate champions, etc, with no losses. Enjoy.

  www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toq1EUuModo&feature=related

[thelamefalsehood]

Blah,Blah, Blah, wouldn't stand a chance against this beast Frenchie

[YoungBlood]

  Rickson Gracie is a jiu-jitsu and MMA fighter who is arguably the greatest of all times. He holds a record of 460 professional wins against bxers, kickboxers, kung-fu masters, karate champions, etc, with no losses.

I did some searching one time and a family member of his mentioned that if some of those 460 fights were actual fights, than he was in over a thousand...with no losses.
Don't remember his name, old dude is all I remember and he shared the Gracie name.

[CigaretteMan]

Blah,Blah, Blah, wouldn't stand a chance against this beast Frenchie

  Mike Tyson again? What part of physical strengh and punching ability being irrelevant against a top jiu-jitsu fighter you guys don't understand? Rickson fought against experts from all martial arts, and boxers were the ones he defeated with the most ease. In a fight in Hawai in the late eighties, Rickson took a heavyweight boxer to the ground and finished him in less than 2 minutes. That's right, 2 minutes. Tyson wouldn't even get a chance to punch Rickson; he would be on the ground being chocked out before that.

[thelamefalsehood]

  Mike Tyson again? What part of physical strengh and punching ability being irrelevant against a top jiu-jitsu fighter you guys don't understand? Rickson fought against experts from all martial arts, and boxers were the ones he defeated with the most ease. In a fight in Hawai in the late eighties, Rickson took a heavyweight boxer to the ground and finished him in less than 2 minutes. That's right, 2 minutes. Tyson wouldn't even get a chance to punch Rickson; he would be on the ground being chocked out before that.

You take things to seriously dude, chill out. Go get laid or something, its getbig for f#cks sake

[danielson]

I joined Sherdog a few years ago and all the fags ended their posts with "Rickson by armbar!" or "Rickson FTW!". Needless to say I quit that place after a few days cuz all the posters were juvenile dorks. Anyway, where are the videos of this guy being so good?

[*ChuteBoxe*]

I did some searching one time and a family member of his mentioned that if some of those 460 fights were actual fights, than he was in over a thousand...with no losses.
Don't remember his name, old dude is all I remember and he shared the Gracie name.

Helio Gracie (probably the old man to which you are referring) has gone on record saying that Rickson counted grappling matches in the dojo as full fledged fights to pad his record, plus Rickson does have at least one loss to a sambo practicioner who is now a doctor, I forget the story behind it but I know Rickson isn't undefeated, Bulldog probably knows the story.  Technically Rickson is only 11-0 in sanctioned MMA fights.

[IronFan]

Helio is Rickson's father.  He said something like, "If he has 400, I have a million!"

For what it's worth, re Rickson's loss.  I'm not familiar with the story or this website:

http://www.worldwidegrappling.com/grappling/html/modules/vB/archive/index.php/t-804.html

[YoungBlood]

Dat be da one.....

[Disgusted]

Helio Gracie (probably the old man to which you are referring) has gone on record saying that Rickson counted grappling matches in the dojo as full fledged fights to pad his record, plus Rickson does have at least one loss to a sambo practicioner who is now a doctor, I forget the story behind it but I know Rickson isn't undefeated, Bulldog probably knows the story.  Technically Rickson is only 11-0 in sanctioned MMA fights.

I believe that fight you are referring to is when a sambo guy tied up Rickson in a hold which Rickson coud not escape, but since neither guy could move it surely would not be considered a loss. There is no way Rickson would ever tap so I would love to know more about how this guy supposedly beat Rickson. I know that Rickson studyed all lot of different fighting arts to be more well rounded. Also, Rickson was extremely flexable so most hold could not make him tap.

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

[polychronopolous]

My whole opinion on the Gracies are that they were just ahead of their time for a few years. They beat alot of strikers who had ZERO ground game. Once the rest of the world realised how crucial learning the submission game was, and then advanced that stage of their fighting  style, the Gracies became pretty average. If Royce in his prime ever got into the ring with a Rampage, GSP, or Liddell in their primes, it would be pretty embarassing. I know that some might say "yeah but Rampage and Liddell were a little bigger." This is true but you also have to consider that in the beginning of UFC their were no weight classes and a 205 pound rampage would have made Royce look like a little bitch.

[CigaretteMan]

  If Royce in his prime ever got into the ring with a Rampage, GSP, or Liddell in their primes, it would be pretty embarassing.

  U.S.A hero-worship at it's best! I'm sorry to break it to you, sport, but Americans suck as fighters. All of the World's best MMA fighters are European or Brazilian(Mirko Filopovic, Fedor, Wanderlei Silva, Minotauro, Rickson, etc).

[Geo]

  U.S.A hero-worship at it's best! I'm sorry to break it to you, sport, but Americans suck as fighters. All of the World's best MMA fighters are European or Brazilian(Mirko Filopovic, Fedor, Wanderlei Silva, Minotauro, Rickson, etc).

you're living in the last century "sports fan"....


either that or you're letting you disdain for the U.S. make ya sound kind of stupid !




either way .........

[BDsauce]

Hickson by anything he wants!!!!

[americanbulldog]

Who the hell is Helio and Hickson.  Never heard of them.   

The man in question is Ron Tripp.  He beat Rickson by uchimata, that Rickson complained later he didn't know the rules of Sambo.  He is no joke, he also subbed Rigan, I believe. 

As far as Rickson is concerned, he is probably the best BJJer EVER.  (Never rolled with Rolls, but heard great things from everyone).  Best Vale Tudo fighter, Carlson.  Best sport BJJer, Rickson.  Very different type of pressure, very fluid, moves from sub to sub, transition to transition with little effort (on his part).  At a seminar I attended he rolled with everyone at the end of two days and submitted EVERYONE, usually within a minute or so.  For people who don't know, he is a GOD on the mat.  Made Rigan look bad.  and Rigan is a monstah.  Kron looks to be following in Dad's footsteps. 

My favorite fighting Gracie is Renzo, the boy will fight anyone...... 

[CigaretteMan]

you're living in the last century "sports fan"....


either that or you're letting you disdain for the U.S. make ya sound kind of stupid !




either way .........

  Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig ht...and your opinion is not stupid because? The best MMA fighters are Brazilian and European. the Americans, like Chuck Liddel and Randy Couture are second-tier by World standards. I hope you understand that.

[CigaretteMan]

The man in question is Ron Tripp.  He beat Rickson by uchimata, that Rickson complained later he didn't know the rules of Sambo.  He is no joke, he also subbed Rigan, I believe. 

  That was not technically a loss, because Rickson was not aware that in that particular match the rules said that if your opponent made you fall on your back, you lost. Rickson is not forced to know the rules of Sambo championships which change every match.

As far as Rickson is concerned, he is probably the best BJJer EVER.

  Many believe that Rickson has surpassed old man Helio for mastery on Jiu-jitusu. I am not sure about that, but he is certainly a match. Rickson is a 7th degree black belt while Helio is a 10th degree(master of masters).

  As for MMA fighting, we don't know how Rickson would do in his prime against guys like Fedor, Crocop, Wand Silva, etc, but when you consider that 95% of fights still end on the ground and that Rickson is the supreme master there, there is a chance that Rickson would still be MMA World champion today.

[polychronopolous]

  U.S.A hero-worship at it's best! I'm sorry to break it to you, sport, but Americans suck as fighters. All of the World's best MMA fighters are European or Brazilian(Mirko Filopovic, Fedor, Wanderlei Silva, Minotauro, Rickson, etc).

I really ain't tryin to worship american fighters. Add any of those guys to the list as well of being capable of beating a 1994 Royce Gracie. Relax.

[Benny B]

   As for MMA fighting, we don't know how Rickson would do in his prime against guys like Fedor, Crocop, Wand Silva, etc, but when you consider that 95% of fights still end on the ground and that Rickson is the supreme master there, there is a chance that Rickson would still be MMA World champion today.

I don't think that statistic holds up for MMA (sport) fighting. That's not where it originates from.

[americanbulldog]

As much of a BJJ fanatic I am, I am dubious that Rickson would be able, even during his heyday dominate today's top MMA fighters.  His striking is suspect, his wrestling isn't on par with top tier fighters, but, when the fight gets to the ground, he would do EXTREMELY well.  Because he normally got top position in his fights, we don't know how good his guard would have been in Vale Tudo/NHB/MMA. 

Ricardo Liborio of ATT said Rickson made him feel like a white belt, so did Xande and Saulo Ribeiro,  so you know his jits is top notch.  I just don't think the rest of his game is there.  Funaki put a helluva a mouse on Rickson's eye, and he isn't known as a top tier striker with good TD defense.  I wish he would have fought Ze Saku when Saku was running through Royce, Royler, Ryan, Renzo. 

[BDsauce]

Hickson was a smart man, he wanted no part of Sak. Hoyce,Hoyler,Hyan Henzo and Vitor Gracie were all embarrassed by Sak. It wasnt close, knowing this Hickson felt he couldnt win.

Remember Sak was a bad bad man back then.....dude fought to a draw with a PRIME Igor before retiring due to that long ass fight with Hoyce.

[americanbulldog]

Hickson was a smart man, he wanted no part of Sak. Hoyce,Hoyler,Hyan Henzo and Vitor Gracie were all embarrassed by Sak. It wasnt close, knowing this Hickson felt he couldnt win.

Remember Sak was a bad bad man back then.....dude fought to a draw with a PRIME Igor before retiring due to that long ass fight with Hoyce.

He had no "aura."  But Mas Funaki did.  This coming from a Rickson jockrider.  BTW, Rickson by armbar. 

[Thin Lizzy]

My whole opinion on the Gracies are that they were just ahead of their time for a few years. They beat alot of strikers who had ZERO ground game. Once the rest of the world realised how crucial learning the submission game was, and then advanced that stage of their fighting  style, the Gracies became pretty average. If Royce in his prime ever got into the ring with a Rampage, GSP, or Liddell in their primes, it would be pretty embarassing. I know that some might say "yeah but Rampage and Liddell were a little bigger." This is true but you also have to consider that in the beginning of UFC their were no weight classes and a 205 pound rampage would have made Royce look like a little bitch.

The UFC was originally created to showcase BJJ. Obviously, it did a great job. Royce was picked to fight specifically because he wasn't a particularly athletic guy. Today, MMA is an actual sport, and to succeed, you have to be well rounded. That said, almost all the top fighters have, at least, purple belt level BJJ skills.

While the accomplishments of the Gracies in MMA can't be denied, it's silly to think that one family is gonna dominate a sport, forever. I doubt there are any decendents of Abner Doubleday playing Major League Baseball.

[americanbulldog]

The UFC was originally created to showcase BJJ. Obviously, it did a great job. Royce was picked to fight specifically because he wasn't a particularly athletic guy. Today, MMA is an actual sport, and to succeed, you have to be well rounded. That said, almost all the top fighters have, at least, purple belt level BJJ skills.

While the accomplishments of the Gracies in MMA can't be denied, it's silly to think that one family is gonna dominate a sport, forever. I doubt there are any decendents of Abner Doubleday playing Major League Baseball.

How is the "Terror" feeling.  I noticed he used the half guard "lockdown."