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Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« on: April 28, 2008, 03:03:15 PM »
Boy is the media in a frenzy today over Rev. Wrights comments. Where were these pundits when George W. Bush took us to war in Iraq? Where was Dick Cheney when Rev. Wright when was serving his six year's in the Marine Corp? Why are these commentators acting so sanctimonious about the comments Wright made, when they have done far worse? Obama said what he had to say about Rev. Wright a month ago. This media charade has gone beyond ridiculous to outrageous. They seem to have a hard time understanding why Rev. Wright would try to defend himself when his only sin appears to have been the fact that he was Barack Obama's minister. Rev. Wright has every right to defend himself. I would do the same thing.


by Eric Deggans
For new school black politicians, it is an essential question: How do you recognize the righteous anger of those frustrated by racial inequality without looking like just another Angry Black Man?

Those of us who write often about black folks and politics knew there would come a moment when the first black man with a realistic shot at becoming president would have to face this challenge -- reconciling black anger and frustration with white fear and resentment.

Our mistake: We assumed that, for Obama, this issue would come flying from the direction of someone like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson -- a traditional civil rights leader who would insist Obama prove his fealty to black issues by showing the kind of aggressive advocacy which often turns off traditional white voters.

Who knew that the race-based bullet wounding Obama's campaign would come from friendly fire -- his spiritual mentor Jeremiah Wright -- adding yet another unpredictable twist to the most unconventional electoral contest in history?

I've already pointed out how the initial stories about Rev. Jeremiah Wright's sermons have distorted many of his points. So I'm not saying he shouldn't feel compelled to defend his church and his reputation by facing down the media by speaking to PBS' Bill Moyers, speaking to the Detroit NAACP Sunday and speaking to the National Press Club in Washington D.C. as I write this.

But by now it's obvious Obama is deep in a sound-bite-fed, image-waged war. A man smart as Wright knows it doesn't really matter what he says. He's been reduced to an emotional image -- the Willie Horton of 2008 -- a boogeyman of black nationalism and aggression, used as a prop to make the professorial Obama look like a smooth talker hiding more radical inclinations.

Obama's people probably hoped they might flick controversy over Wright off the campaign's radar the way the candidate quoted Jay-Z in pretending to flick off criticisms from Hillary Clinton. Or the way Obama flicked off traditional black power brokers such as Sharpton and Tavis Smiley. Black folks surprised the pundits by accepting that Obama didn't have to touch base with these traditional leaders to get black votes, and white voters seemed pretty ready to disregard complaints from these figures, given his success with black constituencies.

But Wright's recent appearances will continue to hurt the candidate, because the reverend is the radical Obama never was, and he's close enough to give skeptical white voters an excuse. Right now, Wright is holding court before the world's TV cameras and an admiring audience at the Press Club. His dismissive attitude toward the moderator's questions -- which basically articulate the concerns many white voters have about Wright's public statements and positions -- are playing well in the room, but will likely stoke anger among the assembled press and probably among some white viewers.

The Today Show this morning featured a clip from Sunday's speech where Wright took aim at John F. Kennedy's accent (he was noting that people rarely criticize the way the Kennedys mangle English the way some black people do). But I think his more controversial comments came when he maintained the black people learn differently than white people because of the way their brains work -- something a lot of people, black and white, will find more objectionable.

Obama's problem is that Wright is genuinely controversial, though not in the way some pundits maintain. And as much as Wright maintains attacks on him are an attack on the black church, his appearance today mostly highlighted how controversial he is personally.

And he's now given Obama's critics a fresh raft of soundbites to wedge into news reports and campaign commercials, praising Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and refusing to retract statements such as his contention that the government created the HIV virus.

What's obvious to me, is that a moderate like Obama is much better equipped to referee America's inevitable struggle to reconcile black anger with white resentment. But Wright's bombastic tactics will put his skills to the test, forcing the candidate to bridge one of the largest cultural chasms in America while running one of the tightest races for the Democratic nomination ever seen.

Wouldn't it be ironic if Obama's pro-black pastor was the one who kept Democrats from presenting the party's first black nominee for president?




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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2008, 03:30:42 PM »
Don't buy into the frenzied hype.

The ONLY dirt that the neocon machine can find on Obama...

1) one shady donor

2) his pastor says things some disagree with.

Wow.


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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2008, 03:25:37 AM »
Meh.... all I have to know about Obama is that he'll raise taxes on those that produce to subsidize those that don't, he's anti gun rights, and would be selecting future SCOTUS judges if elected.




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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2008, 04:22:38 AM »
Meh.... all I have to know about Obama is that he'll raise taxes on those that produce to subsidize those that don't, he's anti gun rights, and would be selecting future SCOTUS judges if elected.



So you going to vote for a third term of Bush?
Got it.
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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2008, 04:29:47 AM »
So you going to vote for a third term of Bush?
Got it.

It's better than the alternative.

But don't worry, Ace, McCain's not a true conservative.


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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2008, 04:34:22 AM »
It's better than the alternative.

But don't worry, Ace, McCain's not a true conservative.


A third term of Bush is better than the alternative?  ??? That is simply not possible, Sparky.

Talk about voting against your own economic interests. LOL
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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2008, 05:28:05 AM »
A third term of Bush is better than the alternative?  ??? That is simply not possible, Sparky.

Talk about voting against your own economic interests. LOL

LOL

So it's in my economic best interest to vote for more bio-fuel subsidies? McCain has voted against such policies (surprisingly). The greens in Congress and Bush signed this piece of shit energy bill into law. The effects for the planet, food prices, and the economy haven't been very good. The Democrats are also pushing legislation that would prevent the United States from using oil from Canada and Mexico because they claim it isn't as 'clean' as oil from Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Venezuela. There has to be a better way to remove our dependency from Middle Eastern oil.

I also didn't know it was in my economic best interest to raise my taxes and have less disposable income to save for retirement, emergency funds, and my children's college funds.

I don't know about your financial situation, Benny. I sincerely hope you're doing very well. It is my best economic interest for you, and all Americans, to do well. Making the American working class dependent on the government for help, IMO, does not help anyone.


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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2008, 05:37:11 AM »
The Democrats are also pushing legislation that would prevent the United States from using oil from Canada and Mexico because they claim it isn't as 'clean' as oil from Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Venezuela. There has to be a better way to remove our dependency from Middle Eastern oil.

They want to use up 'Arab oil' before tapping into and possibly exhausting the oil supply on the North American continent. 

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Making the American working class dependent on the government for help, IMO, does not help anyone.

True, but it's what both the Democrats and Republicans are working hard for, and no one seems to get that.

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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2008, 06:11:21 AM »
They want to use up 'Arab oil' before tapping into and possibly exhausting the oil supply on the North American continent. 

That's a good thing, Tre.

In 20 years, when the middle east is drying up, we'll be able to sell our oil to china and india for $300 a barrel.  We will be regaining a competitive advantage.

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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2008, 06:11:38 AM »
They want to use up 'Arab oil' before tapping into and possibly exhausting the oil supply on the North American continent. 

That's BS, Tre. While we tap into our own resources, if we're smart, we use that time to pour American ingenuity into R&D of alternative energy that doesn't hurt our food supply or further damage the planet.

In the meantime, the Chinese and the islamofascists have us by the nuts and we continue this disaster energy policy that has dramatically jacked up food prices which hurt the poor and hurt the planet. I thought the Democrats were supposed to be the champions of the working class and protectors of Mother Earth? I thought Bush was supposed to be a compassionate conservative? What a load of shit.

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True, but it's what both the Democrats and Republicans are working hard for, and no one seems to get that.

I get it and this is why I'm fed up with the current two-party system. Anyone who pushes for bold initiatives is marginalized by the MSM or dismissed because it's too hard. We're stuck with crapbag behind door number 1 or crapbag behind door number 2.  Either way you get screwed. All they offer is the option of picking your screwing.



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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2008, 06:44:42 AM »
I also didn't know it was in my economic best interest to raise my taxes and have less disposable income to save for retirement, emergency funds, and my children's college funds.

I don't know about your financial situation, Benny. I sincerely hope you're doing very well. It is my best economic interest for you, and all Americans, to do well. Making the American working class dependent on the government for help, IMO, does not help anyone.

If you think the Repubes will save you money you're kidding yourself. Every four years the fascists buy votes by promising tax cuts and more tax cuts. McCain thinks he can make up the loss in revenue from making Bush's tax cuts permanent by cutting earmarks. Earmarks won't even come close to dealing with the revenue shortfall. He will have to cut into Social Security or Medicare to make up the difference, which he doesn't have the balls to do. Therefore, your "savings" will be debt owed to China.

You'll be paying more taxes soon enough if you have a McCain administration. You're just too beholden to the fascist Repubes to realize this. The "working class" that vote for the Repubes don't vote in their own best interests because the fascists don't give a damn about them or the things that would truly impact thier lives.

I get it and this is why I'm fed up with the current two-party system. Anyone who pushes for bold initiatives is marginalized by the MSM or dismissed because it's too hard. We're stuck with crapbag behind door number 1 or crapbag behind door number 2.  Either way you get screwed. All they offer is the option of picking your screwing.

Good luck waiting for the end of the two party system. Maybe GNC will come out with a product that will let you live until you're 200 in vigorous good health.  ::)
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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2008, 06:57:33 AM »
If you think the Repubes will save you money you're kidding yourself. Every four years the fascists buy votes by promising tax cuts and more tax cuts. McCain thinks he can make up the loss in revenue from making Bush's tax cuts permanent by cutting earmarks. Earmarks won't even come close to dealing with the revenue shortfall. He will have to cut into Social Security or Medicare to make up the difference, which he doesn't have the balls to do. Therefore, your "savings" will be debt owed to China.

You'll be paying more taxes soon enough if you have a McCain administration. You're just too beholden to the fascist Repubes to realize this. The "working class" that vote for the Repubes don't vote in their own best interests because the fascists don't give a damn about them or the things that would truly impact thier lives.

It's more than tax cuts - it's also cuts in government spending. I think even you and I can agree that there is gross fraud, waste, and abuse of tax payer dollars in the government. As far as to whom I'm beholden to it isn't the Republican party. I abandoned them when they abandoned conservative values and, FYI, fascism has it's roots in socialism and progressive liberalism. Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini were all socialists. Even Presidents Wilson and FDR subscribed to some of the socialist and fascist policies promoted and put into action by them. You don't believe me? Just do a little research on them - especially Wilson. You'll be surprised.

Still, I'm willing to listen to you educate me on how voting for Obama is in my political best interest. Please, Benny, tell me how he will not raise my taxes and how he will leave me with more disposable income to save for my future. I have a wife and two kids to support. How is he going to help me?

I may still vote for Ron Paul anyway. Personally I'm tired of the two party crapfest.

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Good luck waiting for the end of the two party system. Maybe GNC will come out with a product that will let you live until you're 200 in vigorous good health.  ::)

Unfortunately, you're probably right about that one.


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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2008, 07:20:29 AM »
It's more than tax cuts - it's also cuts in government spending. I think even you and I can agree that there is gross fraud, waste, and abuse of tax payer dollars in the government. As far as to whom I'm beholden to it isn't the Republican party. I abandoned them when they abandoned conservative values and, FYI, fascism has it's roots in socialism and progressive liberalism. Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini were all socialists. Even Presidents Wilson and FDR subscribed to some of the socialist and fascist policies promoted and put into action by them. You don't believe me? Just do a little research on them - especially Wilson. You'll be surprised.
I just explained to you that there is no place to cut government spending that will make up the revenue shortfall from making Bush's tax cuts permanent. After the earmarks, where is McCain cutting spending? It's not going to happen. Social Security and Medicare are political fault lines that nobody is going to touch without being run out of Washington.

Nobody likes paying taxes. But Social Security has to be dealt with, and a $100+ billion per year war in Iraq has to be paid for.

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Still, I'm willing to listen to you educate me on how voting for Obama is in my political best interest. Please, Benny, tell me how he will not raise my taxes and how he will leave me with more disposable income to save for my future. I have a wife and two kids to support. How is he going to help me?
Instead of relying on me to spoon feed you, did you watch the most recent debate? How much money do you make? Obama was specific in stating that he would not raise taxes on the middle class. I don't recall what the ceiling was...it may have been those under $100k, or it may have been $200k. I am fairly certain he would do away with Bush's tax cuts, however, because they are fiscally irresponsible.

Go to Obama's website...listen to his stump speeches. It's all there. You can write in Ron Paul if you want to, but at least be an informed voter.

I was going to state that writing in a candidate is a cop-out, but I can't say that because I will be doing just that if Hillary and McCain are my options.  ;D
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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2008, 07:39:54 AM »
I just explained to you that there is no place to cut government spending that will make up the revenue shortfall from making Bush's tax cuts permanent. After the earmarks, where is McCain cutting spending? It's not going to happen. Social Security and Medicare are political fault lines that nobody is going to touch without being run out of Washington.

Nobody likes paying taxes. But Social Security has to be dealt with, and a $100+ billion per year war in Iraq has to be paid for.
Instead of relying on me to spoon feed you, did you watch the most recent debate? How much money do you make? Obama was specific in stating that he would not raise taxes on the middle class. I don't recall what the ceiling was...it may have been those under $100k, or it may have been $200k. I am fairly certain he would do away with Bush's tax cuts, however, because they are fiscally irresponsible.

Go to Obama's website...listen to his stump speeches. It's all there. You can write in Ron Paul if you want to, but at least be an informed voter.

I was going to state that writing in a candidate is a cop-out, but I can't say that because I will be doing just that if Hillary and McCain are my options.  ;D

I'm not asking you to spoon feed me. I'm asking you to give me valid arguments why I should vote for him.

My wife and I make over 200k a year BUT we live in the DC-Metro area. I don't know if you're familiar with the area but 200k here is middle class. Our current progressive tax system does NOT take into consideration regional cost of living. Obama, if I'm not mistaken, as already said he would raise taxes on families making 200k or more in addition to letting the Bush tax cuts expire (i.e. another major raise in taxes). I got hit by the AMT for the 2007 tax year. I really don't want to get nailed by it again. That's money I can put away and save and invest.

I am fully aware of our 9 trillion dollar debt. This mess is a result of poor economic management by both parties that run our government. However, I vehemently disagree that raising taxes (during a recession) is responsible fiscal policy. It is going to take serious spending cuts and re-prioritization of how money is spent and on what. I do not pretend to be a economics guru but sure as hell doesn't make sense to borrow more money when you're 9 trillion in the hole and spend more than you take in (I'm not saying you support that either). I personally like Ron Paul's approach to raising revenue and cutting spending. To me it makes sense. Just my two cents.

I don't mind paying taxes. It's necessary to keep our infrastructure functioning. What I do mind is how our flawed tax system currently works and how our government pisses away our tax dollars with reckless abandon and little to no accountability.

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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2008, 02:24:35 PM »
Obama's camp initially said there could be taxes raised on individuals making more than $75,000/yr or families making $150,000/yr and up.

I'm with you w8tlftr and I supported Ron Paul as well.  Owning a small business, I get killed with taxes and bullshit programs that my few employees won't use.  I can't even afford to cover their medical insurance without sinking and I have a high deductible plan.  If the environment gets worse for small business, I'll have to go back to the hospital, where people are treated with much less respect and personal care.

The gov, repubs and dems alike have changed the spending policies in Washington and its out of hand.  It should certainly be easier to cut spending than raise taxes.  Cutting spending is the key.

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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2008, 05:14:54 PM »
Obama's camp initially said there could be taxes raised on individuals making more than $75,000/yr or families making $150,000/yr and up.

I'm with you w8tlftr and I supported Ron Paul as well.  Owning a small business, I get killed with taxes and bullshit programs that my few employees won't use.  I can't even afford to cover their medical insurance without sinking and I have a high deductible plan.  If the environment gets worse for small business, I'll have to go back to the hospital, where people are treated with much less respect and personal care.

The gov, repubs and dems alike have changed the spending policies in Washington and its out of hand.  It should certainly be easier to cut spending than raise taxes.  Cutting spending is the key.
All you guys supporting a guy who is irrelevant won't do much but allow you to continue to gripe from the sidelines regardless of who gets elected. Abolishing the IRS? Yeah, that'll happen soon.  ::)

Face reality, Social Security and Medicare won't be cut anytime soon, nor should they be.
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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2008, 06:19:38 PM »
A third term of Bush is better than the alternative?  ??? That is simply not possible, Sparky.

Talk about voting against your own economic interests. LOL

To some it's better, because they are already used to it...

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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2008, 06:26:36 PM »
To some it's better, because they are already used to it...
Those people need to be stood up and shot for their stupidity.
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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2008, 08:01:42 PM »
Those people need to be stood up and shot for their stupidity.

Agreed, I heard on a talk show yesterday, that if Hillary and Obama don't stop bashing each other, that will turn potential voters to McCain. The theory is, that they already know what is going doing with the "stay the course" type of mentality, so  Just 4 more year of familiarity...Stupid I know....   

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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2008, 02:57:14 AM »
Those people need to be stood up and shot for their stupidity.

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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2010, 01:46:33 PM »
Don't buy into the frenzied hype.

The ONLY dirt that the neocon machine can find on Obama...

1) one shady donor

2) his pastor says things some disagree with.

Wow.



Do you agree that you were punked 240? 

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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2010, 01:50:17 PM »
Don't buy into the frenzied hype.

The ONLY dirt that the neocon machine can find on Obama...

1) one shady donor

2) his pastor says things some disagree with.

Wow.



Wow,240 COMPLETELY wrong as usual.Obama has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is a racist.Just this week he called whites opposing the Arizona law "the enemy".

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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2010, 01:52:10 PM »
Those people need to be stood up and shot for their stupidity.


Hmmmmm,I wonder where Straw is?Here is a guy advocating violence and shooting people and not a peep from Straw...oh oh wait,Benny is a lib and as I say,as long as its a lib calling for violence its ok.

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Re: Obama and the "Angry Black Man" Test
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2010, 02:12:33 PM »
Its only wrong when a repub does it.