How many here are pro Hillary?

[Benny B]

Hillary Clinton does not get much love on getbig. Is there anyone on this board that is a Hillary supporter? If so, why?

[240 is Back]

most getbiggers are young (obama) or self-employed (mccain).

hilary is probably the best combination of traits, just good enough to 'settle' on.

she's not senile and she's not wet behind ears.

[Benny B]

most getbiggers are young (obama) or self-employed (mccain).

hilary is probably the best combination of traits, just good enough to 'settle' on.

she's not senile and she's not wet behind ears.

I understand her strong points. What I want to know is who here on getbig is a Hillary Clinton supporter?

[240 is Back]

i don't think you'll find any supporters.

You'll find a few "I guess I'd settle for her".

You have three weak candidates this year.  we should have Richardson and Romney slugging it out right now.

[Benny B]

You have three weak candidates this year.  we should have Richardson and Romney slugging it out right now.

I don't agree that we have three "weak" candidates. That is your opinion.

Richardson has a ton of experience but lacks charisma. And you've got to be kidding about Romney. Captain Flip-Flopper extraordinaire would have to explain his major policy flip-flops from being a governor of liberal MA to presidential candidate. Not to mention his Mormon faith...I think the nutty cult down in TX that's in the news would reflect poorly on him. Also good looking and younger than McCain, but seems a bit wooden and elitist.

[240 is Back]

I don't agree that we have three "weak" candidates. That is your opinion.

which one do you think is strong?

[Purge_WTF]

i don't think you'll find any supporters.

You'll find a few "I guess I'd settle for her".

  That's pretty much the case for me now that Ron Paul is done. I'll probably be staying home on election day just the same.

[Benny B]

which one do you think is strong?

Both democratic candidates are strong imo, but I am biased in favor of Obama.


I know getbig is not Hillary territory but she has to somebody here who likes her, right? Perhaps some female members, even though many women despise her. 

[shootfighter1]

I like Obama the best actually- his style, speaking, ability to motivate people, etc...but I am very fearful as a small business owner.  Its very hard surviving on our own here without raising taxes, increased capital gains taxes, employer mandated health coverage, increased job & family services taxes, etc. 

His idea of redistribution of wealth is not fair.  It will end up hurting common professionals who worked very hard.  We need to reign in the large company executives, not people making $80-$200K per yr. 
If you look at his website, his solution to every issue is to increase funding for and increase the federal gov's involvement in "insert program". 
-If he was more moderate, I would vote for him because I like his style.  Besides the Rev Wright issue which gives an idea of his personal history, these other issues are exponentially more important.  He is too far left wing!  We need a moderate from either party.

[Tre]

I don't agree that we have three "weak" candidates. That is your opinion.

No, sir, that is a fact.  To suggest otherwise makes you a less credible pundit. 

When you look at any of the 3 individuals left, if not for the fact that they are the ones who are in the race, very few people in this country would be saying "we need (insert candidate's name) to lead this country". 

[Tre]

I like Obama the best actually- his style, speaking, ability to motivate people, etc...but I am very fearful as a small business owner.  Its very hard surviving on our own here without raising taxes, increased capital gains taxes, employer mandated health coverage, increased job & family services taxes, etc. 

His idea of redistribution of wealth is not fair.  It will end up hurting common professionals who worked very hard.  We need to reign in the large company executives, not people making $80-$200K per yr. 
If you look at his website, his solution to every issue is to increase funding for and increase the federal gov's involvement in "insert program". 
-If he was more moderate, I would vote for him because I like his style.  Besides the Rev Wright issue which gives an idea of his personal history, these other issues are exponentially more important.  He is too far left wing!  We need a moderate from either party.

With the exception of the radical Rev. Wright stuff (basically a non-starter for me), I couldn't agree more. 

The only way small businesses will be able to survive the NLE (new liberal era) is to 'cheat'.  The problem is that most of us are just too honest and turn over to the IRS whatever they demand.  Given what small businesses do for America, it's grossly unfair that we have to work 50-100% more hours AND have to pay higher taxes on our income, especially considering we'll never draw Social Security. 

 

[Benny B]

No, sir, that is a fact.  To suggest otherwise makes you a less credible pundit. 

That is not a fact in any way, shape or form. I think your opinion holds little weight in the face of political opinion makers on the democratic side who feel this year is an amazing time with the two candidates dems have to choose from. A fact is by definition: Something having real, demonstrable existence. Therefore it is not something subject to innuendo, speculation, or opinion.

When you look at any of the 3 individuals left, if not for the fact that they are the ones who are in the race, very few people in this country would be saying "we need (insert candidate's name) to lead this country".

 
Never in my 37 years on this planet have I ever seen a "perfect" candidate run for office. If you have, I would sure like for you to point this individual out for me, as he must have escaped my memory.

Barack Obama has inspired millions of Americans like no candidate has since Jack Kennedy. Does that mean he has no flaws? Of course not. Does that mean he will automatically become a great president? No. However, I believe the man has the intelligence, thoughtfullness, and the ability to inspire that is necessary in great leaders. To call him a weak candidate is simply nonsense and reflects the prism in which you see politics, not "fact".

[Benny B]

I like Obama the best actually- his style, speaking, ability to motivate people, etc...but I am very fearful as a small business owner.  Its very hard surviving on our own here without raising taxes, increased capital gains taxes, employer mandated health coverage, increased job & family services taxes, etc. 

His idea of redistribution of wealth is not fair.  It will end up hurting common professionals who worked very hard.  We need to reign in the large company executives, not people making $80-$200K per yr. 
If you look at his website, his solution to every issue is to increase funding for and increase the federal gov's involvement in "insert program". 
-If he was more moderate, I would vote for him because I like his style.  Besides the Rev Wright issue which gives an idea of his personal history, these other issues are exponentially more important.  He is too far left wing!  We need a moderate from either party.

In my opinion we have had enough "moderate" leadership in America. Clinton was a pretty good president, but too often he played it safe in order to maintain the political center. That is not an effective solution for the real substantive change we need. How does a moderate deal with global warming? Pass weak initiatives that say much but do little. How does a moderate deal with health care reform? Dance around the edges while leaving the system effectively broken and millions remain uninsured. How does a moderate effectively deal with the oncoming crisis with Social Security? Absolutely nothing, thereby passing the buck to the next administration and making the crisis an even larger looming catastrophe.

These are no longer "liberal" or "conservative" issues. Screw those bullshit labels that divide Americans and have really lost all meaning in today's environment. We need someone that will step to the plate and make the tough changes and can inspire Americans to do so. I believe Barack Obama is just such a leader.

[Tre]

A fact is by definition: Something having real, demonstrable existence.

Yes, and it's a fact that - as we stand here today - none of the 3 individuals remaining is a strong candidate for the Presidency.

Hillary may be a great politician, but that does not equate to be a strong candidate for the Presidency - I'm talking about being President, not simply winning the office. 
 

Never in my 37 years on this planet have I ever seen a "perfect" candidate run for office. If you have, I would sure like for you to point this individual out for me, as he must have escaped my memory.

Barack Obama has inspired millions of Americans like no candidate has since Jack Kennedy. Does that mean he has no flaws? Of course not. Does that mean he will automatically become a great president? No. However, I believe the man has the intelligence, thoughtfullness, and the ability to inspire that is necessary in great leaders. To call him a weak candidate is simply nonsense and reflects the prism in which you see politics, not "fact".

Someone with Obama's passion and eloquence, combined with Colin Powell's experience with international leaders, combined with my Common Sense would be about as close to perfect as you could get.

Take Obama's pleas for change, make his plans and programs more moderate, and you'd possibly be looking at the next American President. 

BUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WOULD NOT ALLOW HIM TO TAKE MODERATE POSITIONS EVEN IF HE WANTED TO. 

America needs to get this country back from the parties that control us.

[Benny B]

Yes, and it's a fact that - as we stand here today - none of the 3 individuals remaining is a strong candidate for the Presidency.

Clearly, the definition of "fact" escapes you.

Hillary may be a great politician, but that does not equate to be a strong candidate for the Presidency - I'm talking about being President, not simply winning the office.

 
I happen to agree with this, but neither of us have a crystal ball to inform us how an individual would perform as president. Billary would be a polarizing figure in office, in my opinion, and that would make the Repubes fight her tooth and nail to get anything done. However, she does have a history of reaching across the aisle in her short tenure in the senate.
 

Someone with Obama's passion and eloquence, combined with Colin Powell's experience with international leaders, combined with my Common Sense would be about as close to perfect as you could get.

You can also make the arguement that Powell has been in Washington far too long, going back to the Reagan administration. Do you really think he would be innovative enough and have the energy to make substantial changes and overhaul health care and social security? Not to mention the fact that even though I like my fellow man from the Bronx, Powell lost all credibility in his selling of the Iraq war.

I know you are pushing a hypothetical. That is precisely my point. The perfect candidate that is a blend of the best of several different people does not exist. It never has.

Take Obama's pleas for change, make his plans and programs more moderate, and you'd possibly be looking at the next American President. 

BUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WOULD NOT ALLOW HIM TO TAKE MODERATE POSITIONS EVEN IF HE WANTED TO. 

You may just be looking at the next American president anyway. Or are you one of those who believes McCain already has it wrapped up?

Don't worry, ALL presidential candidates move towards the center when the general election. This happens with the democrats AND the republicans.
[/quote]

America needs to get this country back from the parties that control us.

 I agree. This may happen when a third party candidate can raise the money and develop the organizational infrastructure that exists with the two entrenched political parties we now have. Unfortunately, I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening any time soon.

[shootfighter1]

Benny, I hear what your saying....but moderate can be just as effective if the person is passionate about something.  In most walks of life, a moderate stand is the most wise.  You don't have to be extreme to change the status quo...but you must have passion and influence!  Obama has passion...and will have influence IMO. 
He's going to be even harder on small businesses than it already is, which is the core of America's entreprenarial spirit...not to mention small business employ far more workers than all gov jobs combined.  As more minorities are becoming professionals and earning a higher middle class income, they are going to feel the hurt under Obama.  We have a lot of people go through extensive schooling, who take out loans and are poor for yrs, then when they finally start making $, now the gov takes more and more of their $ for redistribution of wealth and for inefficient programs?  Not fair!  As professionals and small business owners, we work hard and sacrificed while others chose an easier path.

Limit profits of the millionaires and the CEOs of large corporations...I understand that.  Force them to profit share...limit tax breaks and loopholes for millionaires.  In some areas, making $100-150K per year is still middle class!  These people are going to be hurt by Obama IMO.

[shootfighter1]

The decision of Obama to stay in that church for 20 yrs is bothersome, a guy like Wright doesn't change and can't help but love to hear himself talk and stir negative emotions...but it was somewhat comforting to hear him publically denounce the views of Wright this week.  That was the right decision to show others a better way.  No intelligent person thinks Obama didn't know what Wright's far left liberation message was...but I think Obama can understand the frustrations of history and move on...We all should at this point, focus on the issues...not "change", not "Wright"...focus on the real bread & butter of what each candidate wants to do.  I am not a big supporter of any of em.
I'd prefer Obama of the 3 if he was more moderate...but thats the main issue I have with him, he's going to hurt too many people with his liberal agendas.

[Tre]

Benny, I hear what your saying....but moderate can be just as effective if the person is passionate about something.  In most walks of life, a moderate stand is the most wise.  You don't have to be extreme to change the status quo...but you must have passion and influence!  Obama has passion...and will have influence IMO. 
He's going to be even harder on small businesses than it already is, which is the core of America's entreprenarial spirit...not to mention small business employ far more workers than all gov jobs combined.  As more minorities are becoming professionals and earning a higher middle class income, they are going to feel the hurt under Obama.  We have a lot of people go through extensive schooling, who take out loans and are poor for yrs, then when they finally start making $, now the gov takes more and more of their $ for redistribution of wealth and for inefficient programs?  Not fair!  As professionals and small business owners, we work hard and sacrificed while others chose an easier path.

Limit profits of the millionaires and the CEOs of large corporations...I understand that.  Force them to profit share...limit tax breaks and loopholes for millionaires.  In some areas, making $100-150K per year is still middle class!  These people are going to be hurt by Obama IMO.

Shootfighter for President!!

Most government 'workers'  are worthless - they tend to be terribly overpaid and receive way too many benefits at my expense. 

Both Democratic and Republican leaders insist on growing the federal government, so then states and municipalities follow suit.  Argh, it's so frustrating.

[24KT]

I'd prefer Obama of the 3 if he was more moderate...but thats the main issue I have with him, he's going to hurt too many people with his liberal agendas.

As opposed to McCain who would destroy the military with  more of the same old same old?
You've been in Iraq how many years now? How has that been working out so far?
What's the price of oil these days? What's the inflation rate these days?
How much is the US dollar worth compared to other foreign country currencies?

If Obama's agenda hurts people, ...there'll be a lot less people hurt than through the Bush/McCain policies of late.

[Benny B]

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As opposed to McCain who would destroy the military with  more of the same old same old?
You've been in Iraq how many years now? How has that been working out so far?
What's the price of oil these days? What's the inflation rate these days?
How much is the US dollar worth compared to other foreign country currencies?

If Obama's agenda hurts people, ...there'll be a lot less people hurt than through the Bush/McCain policies of late.

Thanks, Jag. 
There is so much I could write in response to shootfighter1 but I think I've reached my quota for today. The mrs has just gotten back from Brazil and I need to spend some "quality time". 

[24KT]

Thanks, Jag. 
There is so much I could write in response to shootfighter1 but I think I've reached my quota for today. The mrs has just gotten back from Brazil and I need to spend some "quality time". 

We just opened an office in Brazil! I was so pissed. They took my favourite customer service rep from the Florida office, and put him in charge of customer service down in Brazil. That's great for Brazil, ...but I want him back! 

[youandme]

I like Obama the best actually- his style, speaking, ability to motivate people, etc.

lmao, I just read about cult perversion, and this is word for word how the manson followers described Charles.

[Tre]

lmao, I just read about cult perversion, and this is word for word how the manson followers described Charles.

Someday - you will all be Mormons.

[Hugo Chavez]

lmao, I just read about cult perversion, and this is word for word how the manson followers described Charles.

No, I think the LMAO, is on you... How many people fit this bill: "his style, speaking, ability to motivate people"    Let me pull a couple names out of a hat here and let's see who else is like Manson according to you...  uh.. Reagan?  Yup...  Arnold, sure.  wouldn't be hard to keep going.

[CQ]

  We have a lot of people go through extensive schooling, who take out loans and are poor for yrs, then when they finally start making $, now the gov takes more and more of their $ for redistribution of wealth and for inefficient programs?  Not fair!  As professionals and small business owners, we work hard and sacrificed while others chose an easier path.

I agree.

My nation has very minimal government interference. Our standard of living is on par with the rest of the 1st world, in some ways we get good perks though [free laptops for all students, college fees partially paid etc]. We don't give welfare out too easily, you pretty much have to really qualify by being disabled, pensioner etc. My gov is funded mostly by offshore incorporations of companies seeking lower taxes, heavy tax on tourists etc.

We pay zero income tax, not a red cent. Not saying this can work for every country, but as someone myself who took the hard path, and worked my ass off to get where I am today, I would be annoyed if I had to pay massive sums to support others who choose not to work as hard as I did [not saying that is factual, but thats how I see it].

As far as the question, Hillary I do like to see doing her thing. It is good to see a woman breaking through the highest glass ceiling possible. That said, thats as far as I go lol, she would not get my vote.