2 Different methods for fat loss: Energy balance Vs Morning cardio

[Bobby]

Energy balance: burn more calories than you consume in a 24 hour period.
example: no cardio, eat 2000cals a day. (maintenance cals needed 2500) = minus 500 a day

Vs

Morning cardio: cardio in a fasted state when the body is low/empty on carbs/glucose/insulin.
example: cardio, eat 2500cals a day. (maintenance cals needed with cardio 3000 (without cardio 2500cals)) = minus 500 a day

Discuss

[DK II]

both = burning muscle.

Just workout hard and do your cardio. On non-working out days cut your carbs.

Eat chilis, drink green tea.

Intelligent nutrition timing is the key. When you need the calories, eat, if you don't need them, eat less.

[candidizzle]

you dont have to be burning muscle in either scenario. but bro, you left out  a third way....eat to maintanence calories...   even witth cardio you lose fat because of TEF ( fat used for digestion)

[WhiteHulk4]

you dont have to be burning muscle in either scenario. but bro, you left out  a third way....eat to maintanence calories...   even witth cardio you lose fat because of TEF ( fat used for digestion)

Are you speaking in some weird language other than English?  Because this statement makes absolutely ZERO sense!

[candidizzle]

the thermic effect of feedingg, hulk.   its the calories required for digestion.   protein yeilds about 20 %, carbs and fats about 4 %...but those are rough estimates. 

say your body normally burns 2700 cals per day. you eat 2700 cals (the corresct cals ! )...well, you would  lose any fat from an energy defecit, but you would still have lost fat because it requires fat to digest all those calories.

[WhiteHulk4]

You said "Maintenance Calories" which is the amount of calories you need to eat in order to neither gain or lose weight.  So by doing that, you're not going to gain or lose any weight.  And you said "TEF = fat used for digestion"?  That sounds retarded.  I'm assuming by TEF, you mean "Thermic Effect of Food".  But "Fat Used For Digestion" is quite mispoken.  You burn calories during digestion, you don't burn fat.

And you're way off with your "thermic affect" numbers...  You think 20% of whey protein calories are burned trying to digest it?  Try next to ZERO%!  A dense steak "might" be close to 20%.  Chicken would be less.  And Fish would be even less.  As for carbs, also depends on the type, but 4% would only apply to extremely easily digested carbs, like sugar and white bread.

[candidizzle]

LOL !

thermic effect of feeding is the correct term, bro

alomst 100% of the calories used during digestion come directly from stored body fat

[WhiteHulk4]

alomst 100% of the calories used during digestion come directly from stored body fat

Okay, okay, okay...  This statement is SO FAR OUT OF LEFT FIELD, I just have to know where you came up with it!!!!!  Please cite references.  Are you for real dude?  Or are you just playing with us?

[candidizzle]

Okay, okay, okay...  This statement is SO FAR OUT OF LEFT FIELD, I just have to know where you came up with it!!!!!  Please cite references.  Are you for real dude?  Or are you just playing with us?

i can cite some sources later when i have time.

its the truth, i didnt just make it up.

[WhiteHulk4]

i can cite some sources later when i have time.

its the truth, i didnt just make it up.

Still waiting genius...

[rccs]

both = burning muscle.

Just workout hard and do your cardio. On non-working out days cut your carbs.

Eat chilis, drink green tea.

Intelligent nutrition timing is the key. When you need the calories, eat, if you don't need them, eat less.

Exactly... BTW morning cardio sucks... only rich people or unemployed people have the time to do it...

[DK II]

Exactly... BTW morning cardio sucks... only rich people or unemployed people have the time to do it...

True, or you love to get up at 5 in the morning to do cardio, which is totally stupid because you will stop the fatburning your body does while you sleep.

Sleeping is the best fatburner, if you don't overdo it. 

[Kviahellan]

True, or you love to get up at 5 in the morning to do cardio, which is totally stupid because you will stop the fatburning your body does while you sleep.

Sleeping is the best fatburner, if you don't overdo it. 

I think I have been overtraining the sleep diet myself? I figured I would burn more cals by sleeping than doing AM cardio.

[DK II]

I think I have been overtraining the sleep diet myself? I figured I would burn more cals by sleeping than doing AM cardio.

Maybe you eat too much while you're awake? 

[fromfattoliving]

What about getting 7-8hrs solid and waking up @5? Usually I drink two scoops of lowcarb isopure before I go. Muscle or fat? Yah Im a loser and go to sleep at 9 but if I am up @5 i have plenty of time to get things done.

[DK II]

What about getting 7-8hrs solid and waking up @5? Usually I drink two scoops of lowcarb isopure before I go. Muscle or fat? Yah Im a loser and go to sleep at 9 but if I am up @5 i have plenty of time to get things done.

maybe not a loser, but do you live at the northpole and have no friends?

[candidizzle]

maybe not a loser, but do you live at the northpole and have no friends?

nobody is up at 5 am anyways dude... who would you be hanging out with at that time?   

its okay to say you dont like morning cardio, you like to sleep in, or you prefer HIT, but dont be making excuses now !

[Kviahellan]

Maybe you eat too much while you're awake? 

Impossible! I take a handful of thermogenics and 3 ambien right before bed.

[Jeffro]

how do you calculate how much calories you need to lose weight, maintain etc.?

[The Master]

Energy balance: burn more calories than you consume in a 24 hour period.
example: no cardio, eat 2000cals a day. (maintenance cals needed 2500) = minus 500 a day

Vs

Morning cardio: cardio in a fasted state when the body is low/empty on carbs/glucose/insulin.
example: cardio, eat 2500cals a day. (maintenance cals needed with cardio 3000 (without cardio 2500cals)) = minus 500 a day

Discuss

Even better:

Replace morning cardio with HIT cardio (12 minute intervals, 3 times each week) and do a slight calorie deficit. Lose 1 pound each week on this diet, and you'll lose fat without losing much muscle.

[candidizzle]

Impossible! I take a handful of thermogenics and 3 ambien right before bed.

hahaha 

[DK II]

nobody is up at 5 am anyways dude... who would you be hanging out with at that time?   

its okay to say you dont like morning cardio, you like to sleep in, or you prefer HIT, but dont be making excuses now !

he says he goes to bed at 9.

[candidizzle]

my friends, with the help of the esteemed usmokepole

i have perfected the fat loss diet

i can show you the path to enlightenment ! and it involves no muscle loss!

[YoungBlood]

nobody is up at 5 am anyways dude... who would you be hanging out with at that time?   

Unless you know what you're talking about, don't speak (type).
I'm up every day at 2:30am, and there are plenty of people that I know that get up at that hour, and a few hours later, for work or to workout.
If I had the choice I wouldn't be up that early, but I've worked out and gotten up at all hours of the day & night by choice to workout- not just necessity.

[YoungBlood]

i have perfected the fat loss diet

i can show you the path to enlightenment ! and it involves no muscle loss!

Don't you have to have muscle to lose, to begin with?