HOW TO TURN PRO - by Tom Prince

[whateva]

How to turn WNBF PRO
1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)


How to turn IFBB PRO
1. Steroids
2. Genetics
3. Busting your ass in the gym
4. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
5. Knowing what it mean to rest.
6. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)

[The Master]

Talking in third person makes you come across as an idiot


Good thing you have your charm

 

Debussey = Debussey.

And remember: Debussey = an idiot. Debusseys IQ = 52. That = severe retard level

[SirTraps]

How to turn WNBF PRO
1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)


How to turn IFBB PRO
1. Steroids
1a.) Suck Joe Weiders shriveled cocck
1b.) More Steroids, GH and Insulin
2. Genetics
3. Busting your ass in the gym
4. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
5. Knowing what it mean to rest.
6. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)

 FIXED

[Meltdown]

Hey Chick is Sami the Black an IFBB Pro??As he is guest posing with Troy Alves??Wow congrats to Sami.

[Tamer Razor]

How to turn WNBF PRO
1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)


How to turn IFBB PRO
1. Steroids
2. Genetics
3. Busting your ass in the gym
4. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
5. Knowing what it mean to rest.
6. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)

Other Genius  So you believe that a Drug could alter one's Genetic make up such as symmetry, Structure, Joint density and size etc. That is rewarding of a Nobel Price.  Following your logic, not only you could gain some size but significant size without proper training and diet as those are below on your list of importance. Scientifically the most fundamental part of muscle building is Protein itself. No Drug can compensate for it as muscle is essentially made up of amino-acids. The training is nothing more that an stimulus that can futher provoke the synthesis of Protein. The synthesis of Protein can be futher stimulated with drugs. But ultimately no Drug can substitute the fundamental of Muscle building. Genetics, proper eating and training. But I guess Tom did not know what he was talking about. We can always learn more. We at GetBig and the Scientific community can wait for your Genetic altering Drug 

[dearth]

Explain what Chick?

Why your boy toy was the most insecure IFBB pro ever? (and thats pretty damn insecure!)
sorry, you'll have to answer that one.

I'm afraid that any conversation regarding the illegal substances you have used to build your physiqe (and hence career)
only results in poor little chicky poor getting his feelings hurt. Tom had the same problem, but couldn't handle it as well.

I see lots of predictable, bullshit, uneducated responses....but still no one refuting what Tom's point was.

I guess we'll have to wait for our resident expert "Dearth" to return with his explanation....

[dearth]

HA HA HA HA

epic rationalization.

You're maing a fool of yourself, not knowing either one personally....

I happen to know BOTH personally, and can assure you both are very intelligent. Ronnie may not be articulate, but is a college grad with a degree in accounting and a veteren of the police force in TX.

Tom earned his Masters degree majoring in English Lit, you would be quite surprised of his memory of his courses, shakespeare, etc....just because he made mistakes doesn't mean he's a moron...far from it. Sometimes the smarter one's are their own worst enemies, becuase they believe they can out-think/ out-smart everything...like Milos.

[HeyNow]

I'm sure if it took just "all drugs" to look like Tom Prince or any pro's we all would look that good when we are on gear.  To all of you haters you cant look like Tom did overnight or no matter how much gear you use.  He had what it took.  While all of you losers are busy on this board racking up thousands of posts dude was in the gym.  While you douche bags were posting about how all these pro's look like ass, they were making money off their physiques.  While very few of you will post what you look like and those who do are brave, but still look terrible.  For example squadfather, bro has a three inch fat role around his stomach, with man boobs and loser makes fun of pros.  Squad doesn't look like he even touched a weight.
Also, how do you expect Tom to look after going through such an ordeal.  Bro doesn't eat or train like a bodybuilder anymore so he's not going to look like it.  I am sure that is the least of his worries.
Leave the dude alone losers.

[whateva]

Other Genius  So you believe that a Drug could alter one's Genetic make up such as symmetry, Structure, Joint density and size etc. That is rewarding of a Nobel Price.  Following your logic, not only you could gain some size but significant size without proper training and diet as those are below on your list of importance. Scientifically the most fundamental part of muscle building is Protein itself. No Drug can compensate for it as muscle is essentially made up of amino-acids. The training is nothing more that an stimulus that can futher provoke the synthesis of Protein. The synthesis of Protein can be futher stimulated with drugs. But ultimately no Drug can substitute the fundamental of Muscle building. Genetics, proper eating and training. But I guess Tom did not know what he was talking about. We can always learn more. We at GetBig and the Scientific community can wait for your Genetic altering Drug 

OK genius,  
1.You can not be a PRO (IFBB) without DRUGS (steroids......)no matter how good your genetics are .
2.You could be a PRO with average genetics(Ken Jones ,Kamali ,Kovacks.........................................................)
3.You could be a PRO eating junk (ask GH15)
4.You could be a PRO without busting your ass at the gym (Paul Dillet ,Pelletier ,.............................)
5.you could be a PRO with less than 10 years of training (Phil Heath,..........................)
But , I repeat ,you can not  be an IFBB PRO without the drugs
                                                                                  

[G o a t b o y]

OK genius,  
1.You can not be a PRO (IFBB) without DRUGS (steroids......)no matter how good your genetics are .
2.You could be a PRO with average genetics(Ken Jones ,Kamali ,Kovacks.........................................................)
3.You could be a PRO eating junk (ask GH15)
4.You could be a PRO without busting your ass at the gym (Paul Dillet ,Pelletier ,.............................)
5.you could be a PRO with less than 10 years of training (Phil Heath,..........................)
But , I repeat ,you can not  be a IFBB PRO without the drugs
                                                                                  

pwned.

[Chick]

OK genius,  
1.You can not be a PRO (IFBB) without DRUGS (steroids......)no matter how good your genetics are .
2.You could be a PRO with average genetics(Ken Jones ,Kamali ,Kovacks.........................................................)
3.You could be a PRO eating junk (ask GH15)
4.You could be a PRO without busting your ass at the gym (Paul Dillet ,Pelletier ,.............................)
5.you could be a PRO with less than 10 years of training (Phil Heath,..........................)
But , I repeat ,you can not  be an IFBB PRO without the drugs
                                                                                  

You missed his point entirely. Never does Angel say that drugs aren't of some importance. The issue at hand was Tom's post and whether or not you agree with his listing of what it takes to be a pro...

To counter your list:

1.) You CAN turn pro in the IFBB without steroids...the TU winner does it every year.
2.) Even Kenny Jones had good genetics, and won his class fair and square. He was a BW for Gods sake...just what did you think he was going to do in the pro's?
3.) If by "eating junk" you mean a controled cheat day built into your program 1 day in 7...in addition to the regular diet/ cardio/ training/ etc.  If you think anyone ever just ate Burger King every day en route to an IFBB pro card...you're smoking crack.
4.) Doubtful you ever saw Pellitier training back in his day.....Dillet may not have been the most enthusiastic trainer Ive ever seen, but that only goes to prove even further that Genetics are number one.
5,) No question you CAN turn pro in less than 10 years...but the average time in the gym/ turn pro ratio is more...without question.

When did you earn your pro card?

[G o a t b o y]

You missed his point entirely. Never does Angel say that drugs aren't of some importance. The issue at hand was Tom's post and whether or not you agree with his listing of what it takes to be a pro...

To counter your list:

1.) You CAN turn pro in the IFBB without steroids...the TU winner does it every year. 

 TU winners are about as natural as FD&C Yellow #5. 

2.) Even Kenny Jones had good genetics, and won his class fair and square. He was a BW for Gods sake...just what did you think he was going to do in the pro's? 

  The fact that he's a BW proves he's got shit genetics.  And how about Kovacs?  Surely you're not going to say he has good genetics?

3.) If by "eating junk" you mean a controled cheat day built into your program 1 day in 7...in addition to the regular diet/ cardio/ training/ etc.  If you think anyone ever just ate Burger King every day en route to an IFBB pro card...you're smoking crack. 

 Actually, smoking crack is how some pros diet for shows.

4.) Doubtful you ever saw Pellitier training back in his day.....Dillet may not have been the most enthusiastic trainer Ive ever seen, but that only goes to prove even further that Genetics are number one. 

 Which proves his point...  "busting ass in the gym" is not required if you have the genetics to get away with it (Dillet, Cormier, etc)

5,) No question you CAN turn pro in less than 10 years...but the average time in the gym/ turn pro ratio is more...without question. 

It's not surprising that someone who took twenty years would have this viewpoint.

When did you earn your pro card? 

 You asked that question of the wrong guy.  Whateva has a pro card.  Not in your little drug club, but in a natural bodybuilding organization.

[whateva]

You missed his point entirely. Never does Angel say that drugs aren't of some importance. The issue at hand was Tom's post and whether or not you agree with his listing of what it takes to be a pro...

To counter your list:

1.) You CAN turn pro in the IFBB without steroids...the TU winner does it every year.
2.) Even Kenny Jones had good genetics, and won his class fair and square. He was a BW for Gods sake...just what did you think he was going to do in the pro's?
3.) If by "eating junk" you mean a controled cheat day built into your program 1 day in 7...in addition to the regular diet/ cardio/ training/ etc.  If you think anyone ever just ate Burger King every day en route to an IFBB pro card...you're smoking crack.
4.) Doubtful you ever saw Pellitier training back in his day.....Dillet may not have been the most enthusiastic trainer Ive ever seen, but that only goes to prove even further that Genetics are number one.
5,) No question you CAN turn pro in less than 10 years...but the average time in the gym/ turn pro ratio is more...without question.

When did you earn your pro card?

Ok Bob, you miss my point entirely.
First of all ,I'm not saying that IFBB Pros are all drugs .
Pro bodybuilders come in all shape and forms ,some of them are  huge   ,some of them are ripped ,some of them are huge and ripped ,some of them train extremely hard (many hours ,heavyweights ,etc ...)some of them don't train as hard(just 1 hour with moderate weights ),some of them eat clean all year long ,some of them eat clean only when they are dieting , Some of them don't go out party and rest  ,some of them party like animals(cocaine ,Ecstasy,....),some of them take 20 years to become a PRO ,some of them take 5 years .
 Like I said before they are all different ,but the only thing they all  have in common is they all used drugs to become a PRO(some low doses ,some huge doses ) and you can't deny that .
                                                                               PS:I earned my PRO card in 2005 (lifetime natural)

[saucetradomous]

Ok Bob, you miss my point entirely.
First of all ,I'm not saying that IFBB Pros are all drugs .
Pro bodybuilders come in all shape and forms ,some of them are  huge   ,some of them are ripped ,some of them are huge and ripped ,some of them train extremely hard (many hours ,heavyweights ,etc ...)some of them don't train as hard(just 1 hour with moderate weights ),some of them eat clean all year long ,some of them eat clean only when they are dieting , Some of them don't go out party and rest  ,some of them party like animals(cocaine ,Ecstasy,....),some of them take 20 years to become a PRO ,some of them take 5 years .
 Like I said before they are all different ,but the only thing they all  have in common is they all used drugs to become a PRO(some low doses ,some huge doses ) and you can't deny that .
                                                                               PS:I earned my PRO card in 2005 (lifetime natural)

Now that's how you DEBATE!

[TrueGrit]

Let's not kick a man while he's down.

Tom has lost the battle with his body.

He is a shadow of his former drug-pumped self. He now hides behind dark glasses and multiple layers of clothes. He is a man humbled by the suicidal chemistry experiment that nearly claimed his life and has left a savaged, broken man. A once behemothic individual who towered above his fellow man, is now a spindly, inconsequential and delicate looking mortal. Indeed, it would not be too absurd to see this man now and think he had just walked off a mortuary slab, leaving behind astonished and terrified staff.

Behind those dark shades lie the sunken eye sockets of a haunted person. A man who has stared his mortality in the face and has the trauma of it tattooed on his pearly white skin.

 His ears ring with the shame of his boastful claims that it was impossible for him to get below 250. His body mocks him for this at every turn.

 It is wrong for us to laugh at this poor man. His atrophied body tortures him daily. The scales sit on the bathroom floor with an accusatory stare, willing Tom to place his stick thin body on them. Tom 'doesn't go there'.

Get well Tom.

[Chick]

Ok Bob, you miss my point entirely.
First of all ,I'm not saying that IFBB Pros are all drugs .
Pro bodybuilders come in all shape and forms ,some of them are  huge   ,some of them are ripped ,some of them are huge and ripped ,some of them train extremely hard (many hours ,heavyweights ,etc ...)some of them don't train as hard(just 1 hour with moderate weights ),some of them eat clean all year long ,some of them eat clean only when they are dieting , Some of them don't go out party and rest  ,some of them party like animals(cocaine ,Ecstasy,....),some of them take 20 years to become a PRO ,some of them take 5 years .
 Like I said before they are all different ,but the only thing they all  have in common is they all used drugs to become a PRO(some low doses ,some huge doses ) and you can't deny that .
                                                                               PS:I earned my PRO card in 2005 (lifetime natural)

No one said they didn't....not Tom in his posts, not EvilAngel in his posts, and certainly not me.

So, other than stating the obvious....what's your point?

[G o a t b o y]

Let's not kick a man while he's down.
 It is wrong for us to laugh at this poor man.

I think it's fucking hilarious...  I plan on laughing at this smug karma-smacked douchebag for some time to come.  Where's my iron boot??

[240 is Back]

Let's not kick a man while he's down.

Tom has lost the battle with his body.

He is a shadow of his former drug-pumped self. He now hides behind dark glasses and multiple layers of clothes. He is a man humbled by the suicidal chemistry experiment that nearly claimed his life and has left a savaged, broken man. A once behemothic individual who towered above his fellow man, is now a spindly, inconsequential and delicate looking mortal. Indeed, it would not be too absurd to see this man now and think he had just walked off a mortuary slab, leaving behind astonished and terrified staff.

Behind those dark shades lie the sunken eye sockets of a haunted person. A man who has stared his mortality in the face and has the trauma of it tattooed on his pearly white skin.

 His ears ring with the shame of his boastful claims that it was impossible for him to get below 250. His body mocks him for this at every turn.

 It is wrong for us to laugh at this poor man. His atrophied body tortures him daily. The scales sit on the bathroom floor with an accusatory stare, willing Tom to place his stick thin body on them. Tom 'doesn't go there'.

Get well Tom.

Remind me to apologize in advance if I ever piss you off.  Brutal!

[G o a t b o y]

10-1 Bob won't recognize the sarcasm in TrueGrit's post. 

[whateva]

 

No one said they didn't....not Tom in his posts, not EvilAngel in his posts, and certainly not me.

So, other than stating the obvious....what's your point?

HOW TO TURN PRO - by Tom Prince

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I'm going to cut right to it. Here's EXACTLY, word for word, what it takes for anyone to turn pro:

1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)

NOW.. here's how 1-5 plays out: Your GENETICS, you are born with, and can do nothing about. Numbers 2,3,4, I could teach a retarded monkey with a brain amputation.

And #5.. is why 99.99999% of the people fail.. and fall dead on their ass.

Notice is doesn't say "gear" or "steroids" in there at all

[Chick]

10-1 Bob won't recognize the sarcasm in that post. 

It would only be sarcastic if Tom wrote it himself, as he's doing quite fine, making money and running a property management business with his wife...despite his physcal setbacks, he's much happier now.

[Chick]

HOW TO TURN PRO - by Tom Prince

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I'm going to cut right to it. Here's EXACTLY, word for word, what it takes for anyone to turn pro:

1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)

NOW.. here's how 1-5 plays out: Your GENETICS, you are born with, and can do nothing about. Numbers 2,3,4, I could teach a retarded monkey with a brain amputation.

And #5.. is why 99.99999% of the people fail.. and fall dead on their ass.

Notice is doesn't say "gear" or "steroids" in there at all

Yeah...?

You obviously missed the entire meaning of wht TP's post was.....gear was a given...his point was, without the other factors he listed, all the gear in the world wouldn't make one PRO...

His point was that people use it as a crutch, an excuse as to why someone else made it, and they didn't.

please show me where Tom states that you don't need gear to turn pro.....he doesn't.

Not quite sure if you're reading the same page here, son....

[G o a t b o y]

It would only be sarcastic if Tom wrote it himself, as he's doing quite fine, making money and running a property management business with his wife...despite his physcal setbacks, he's much happier now.

What, you're saying he isn't a raging asshole anymore?   Bullshit.  If he hadn't liquified his own kidneys with his drug abuse, he'd still be mouthing off and looking down his nose at everyone.  He may be putting on a brave face for you, but I guarantee he cries his eyes out everytime he looks in the mirror.  His entire self-worth was tied up in that pro card.

[Tamer Razor]

Ok Bob, you miss my point entirely.
First of all ,I'm not saying that IFBB Pros are all drugs .
Pro bodybuilders come in all shape and forms ,some of them are  huge   ,some of them are ripped ,some of them are huge and ripped ,some of them train extremely hard (many hours ,heavyweights ,etc ...)some of them don't train as hard(just 1 hour with moderate weights ),some of them eat clean all year long ,some of them eat clean only when they are dieting , Some of them don't go out party and rest  ,some of them party like animals(cocaine ,Ecstasy,....),some of them take 20 years to become a PRO ,some of them take 5 years .
 Like I said before they are all different ,but the only thing they all  have in common is they all used drugs to become a PRO(some low doses ,some huge doses ) and you can't deny that .
                                                                               PS:I earned my PRO card in 2005 (lifetime natural)

I have scientifically stasted facts that prove Tom's point. As a Bodybuilder you should know the fundamental importance of Genetics, Training and proper-eating. As I previously state before, Drugs will only increase the synthesis of protein not create it as you need significant amount of amino-acids and stimulus caused by the stress of exercise. No Drug can alter genetic make up. Your suggestion that Drug are more importance that Genetics, eating and Training are a complete lack of minimun biochemistry and ignorance to the max. Several studies in physical Distrophy point to average gains of only 5lb in test subjects. No wonder the scientific community still looking for solutions to this disease (gene therapy). Losers will always point out for an execuse for their lack of commitemet or lack of Genetics.

[2L2Q]

Yeah...?

You obviously missed the entire meaning of wht TP's post was.....gear was a given...his point was, without the other factors he listed, all the gear in the world wouldn't make one PRO...

His point was that people use it as a crutch, an excuse as to why someone else made it, and they didn't.

please show me where Tom states that you don't need gear to turn pro.....he doesn't.

Not quite sure if you're reading the same page here, son....

that's what i thought,a lot of guys bash the pros for using gear,saying that is gear what made them pros,and IF they took gear they would be a pro,but they don't want to go that route,i truly think those people are pathetic,but if those excuses make them feel better about their lives,so be it