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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2008, 08:42:30 AM »
Eye opener right there, looks like test prop is in everything BD offered. The D-bol is what surprised me though, methyltest in some thai pinkies and napoisms. I wonder if the guys carrying some of these HG products even know what is really in them half the time. Body of Science is one of the best boards out there for you guys that didn't know, very up to date on things of this matter.

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2008, 08:47:00 AM »
so whats the take home message ?

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2008, 09:00:23 AM »
so whats the take home message ?

I would say REALLY know your guy. But, like I said, I doubt they even know some of the time. And be weary of all UGL, British Dragon was regarded as one of the best at one time, and look at there lab reports, should  make everyone skeptical.

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2008, 09:09:46 AM »
But, like I said, I doubt they even know some of the time.

Yeah especially with UGL gear. It doesn't matter how honest the dealer is or even the "bottler" is since they most likely don't do any analysis on the raw material.

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2008, 09:33:34 AM »
so whats the take home message ?

I'll tell you what my message is from this:  It just proves right what I've been thinking for a long time.  Placebo is the most anabolic compound on the planet (  ;) )


I think you have to be half crazy to be injecting compounds from an UG unless you know the chemist synthesizing the drugs personally.   In some respects, home brew may be safer.  The distributors, the dealers may be decent people for people engaging in an illegal drug trade, but that doesn't mean they know anything about what they are selling you. 

The analysis mentioned here is just "active" ingredients.  It says nothing about other "fillers".  Even from a company like BD, one thats been supposedly "good" you never know what you are injecting when you inject it. 

Finally this explains some of the ridiculously high doses people are taking posted on message boards.  Its a real shame that mg/ml concentrations weren't analyzed because I'm willing to bet that things were no where near what they were supposedly dosed as.  Not only that, but you have to think about the economics of all of this.  Its way cheaper and more economical to cut the drugs to the minimum that'll make people think they are injecting "good shit" than it is to actually fully dose the drugs. 

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2008, 09:37:37 AM »
so whats the take home message ?

Just because a label says tren doesn't mean that tren's actually in there. 

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2008, 11:18:02 AM »
from now on i am strictly hg ! organon, karachi, testovix, norma hellas, british depencary, thats it !

although that norma hellas is fucking expensive !


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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2008, 11:39:04 AM »
this is ludacris, I can't believe you guys actually beleive this fake lab report.  The germans obviously are selling HG and want to scare you away from buying UG product.  UG labs are stepping up their game and are just as good as HG now.

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2008, 11:48:47 AM »
this is ludacris, I can't believe you guys actually beleive this fake lab report.  The germans obviously are selling HG and want to scare you away from buying UG product.  UG labs are stepping up their game and are just as good as HG now.

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The paper was legitimate:
http://www.jatox.com/abstracts/2008/april/232-thevis.html

The simple fact is that a large percentage of what was tested wasn't what it was supposed to be.   Take that as a warning.   

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2008, 11:56:40 AM »
The paper was legitimate:
http://www.jatox.com/abstracts/2008/april/232-thevis.html

The simple fact is that a large percentage of what was tested wasn't what it was supposed to be.   Take that as a warning.   

And just as an FYI, this is a paper from a few years back with similar findings that came up on the same search when I looked for the one mentioned above. 

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1: Sportverletz Sportschaden. 2000 Mar;14(1):[Dangers and risks of black market anabolic steroid abuse in sports --gas chromatography-mass spectrometry analyses][Article in German]
Ritsch M, Musshoff F.

Anabolic steroids have become increasingly popular among athletes even at subcompetitive or recreational level instead of extensive doping tests, educational campaigns and lethal incidents. Nowadays, the fitness boom has also produced a population of steroid users at high school level and also under non-sports practicing children. After opening the borders to East Europe an explosion of the black-market for anabolic steroids occurred. Beside the well-known side effects of anabolic steroids new problems and risks occurred due to fake drugs from the black market. This review ist subdivided into two parts: We provide a detailed review of the literature an anabolic steroids to the reader the information needed to make an informed decision an the relative risks and benefits of anabolic steroids. Secondly, we evaluated 40 "anabolic steroids" obtained from the black market using mass spectrometry or gas chromatography analysis to evaluate the real pharmacological compounds. As the results of this analysis, we found that 15 (37.5%) these drugs contained different or any pharmacological compounds as labeled. From the external packing, a differentiation between original and the fake drugs was impossible. Therefore, a large information and credibility gap concerning anabolic steroids particular those from the black market exists between the athletes and the medical and scientific communities. We believe that this gap can only be closed if both groups are be better informed about anabolic steroids.
   

  If anything that paper is even more alarming because its a much higher percentage. 


The bottom line is dont' trust that you are getting what you think you are getting in a bottle.  And the results you are seeing, very well may be just because you think what you are injecting should work not that it actually does. 

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2008, 01:07:21 PM »
And just as an FYI, this is a paper from a few years back with similar findings that came up on the same search when I looked for the one mentioned above. 
  If anything that paper is even more alarming because its a much higher percentage. 


The bottom line is dont' trust that you are getting what you think you are getting in a bottle.  And the results you are seeing, very well may be just because you think what you are injecting should work not that it actually does. 

This report was even more scary. Heavy metals found:
http://www.bodyofscience.com/labreport_main.php?labreport_nr=31

One of the sources with contaminated gear was a sponsor on promuscle. I remember Alin put up a thread saying "this proves I sell only legit gear".* The sponsor in question on the other hand said you couldn't trust the report.

Some time ago British Dragon was tested by a Swedish board and one product had heavy metal contamination. They said it was bought from an "authorized distributor".


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http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14060

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2008, 01:11:36 PM »
This report was even more scary. Heavy metals found:
http://www.bodyofscience.com/labreport_main.php?labreport_nr=31

One of the sources with contaminated gear was a sponsor on promuscle. I remember Alin put up a thread saying "this proves I sell only legit gear". The sponsor in question on the other hand said you couldn't trust the report.

Some time ago British Dragon was tested by a Swedish board and one product had heavy metal contamination. They said it was bought from an "authorized distributor".

that was marsell !  :o goddamnit ! 

it looks like allin is the best of the worst,,,  whats up with him having fatty acids in most of his shit?

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2008, 01:36:41 PM »
that was marsell !  :o goddamnit ! 

it looks like allin is the best of the worst,,,  whats up with him having fatty acids in most of his shit?


Ok, I'm an eternal pessimist, but I wouldn't believe anyone selling something touting a study saying their product was the best of the worst.   My thought is don't believe any of them.   Thats the safest thing. 


It all boils down to economics.  Overdosing an illegal drug makes no sense.  These guys are not manufacturing a drug because they love bodybuilders or other athletes.  They are making a drug to make a buck.   Its that simple. 


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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2008, 01:41:47 PM »
Ok, I'm an eternal pessimist, but I wouldn't believe anyone selling something touting a study saying their product was the best of the worst.   My thought is don't believe any of them.   Thats the safest thing. 


It all boils down to economics.  Overdosing an illegal drug makes no sense.  These guys are not manufacturing a drug because they love bodybuilders or other athletes.  They are making a drug to make a buck.   Its that simple. 



Overdosing ingredients does make sense sometimes. It gets to be known as a potent product by word of mouth. The hormone powders themselves cost next to nothing in many cases. However, overdosing is as bad as underdosing IMO. It should contain exactly what the label says.

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2008, 01:50:22 PM »
Overdosing ingredients does make sense sometimes. It gets to be known as a potent product by word of mouth. The hormone powders themselves cost next to nothing in many cases. However, overdosing is as bad as underdosing IMO. It should contain exactly what the label says.

I'm getting caught up on the idea of overdosing initially and then moving to an underdosed product based on economics.  That seems to me like it would backfire.  But you are right, word of mouth is the single best form of advertising there is.   

I wish there was some way to do a legitimate, objective study of whats out here on the market in the US.   I bet alot of people wouldn't like the results. 

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2008, 02:41:57 PM »
Makes me glad i quit using AAS.

such bullshit these days...

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2008, 02:47:51 PM »
Another thing for the regulars here...


TRAB called this out almost a year ago and once again he was "spot on"...


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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2008, 08:53:46 PM »
stick to usa gear like watson or schein and serostim just make sure you get a script and actually get it from a pharmacy because there are countefits of watson test cyp, schein deca and of course alot of fake serostim. thats why i dont mind using androgel because I know its real. might not have alot of test per packet you only absoorb maybe 20mg of test base but its real shit.

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2008, 08:55:09 PM »
its impossibe to get us gear without a script

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2008, 09:52:22 PM »
its impossibe to get us gear without a script
No it's not.

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2008, 09:56:23 PM »
No it's not.
i knew somebody would call me on that "impossible" quote

its tough

possible? i dont know

i havent seen any, and i looked pretty hard

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2008, 10:08:58 PM »
i knew somebody would call me on that "impossible" quote

its tough

possible? i dont know

i havent seen any, and i looked pretty hard
Candy, I'm not trying to be a smart ass...you get enough of that already, lol! So I'm being dead serious with this....you haven't been around this thing for very long. The more you get into it, the more contacts you'll make and the better off you'll be. Just because you've been floating around the boards for a while doesn't mean you've searched out every possibility. The boards are a good contact point, but they are by no means the only one...do not live and die with your AAS by what happens and by what is said on the boards....real life is far more valuable.

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2008, 06:50:01 AM »
Candy, I'm not trying to be a smart ass...you get enough of that already, lol! So I'm being dead serious with this....you haven't been around this thing for very long. The more you get into it, the more contacts you'll make and the better off you'll be. Just because you've been floating around the boards for a while doesn't mean you've searched out every possibility. The boards are a good contact point, but they are by no means the only one...do not live and die with your AAS by what happens and by what is said on the boards....real life is far more valuable.

Exactly...

I will say, honestly, it's almost unreal some of the things a man can buy if he knows the right people/person...might be high dollar, but it's out there.

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Re: New lab reports from German bust
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2008, 07:09:10 AM »
i dont know the right people :-[

maybe ill go hang out outside of a pfizer development building and try to make friends !  ;D