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500,000? Burma death toll 'worse than Tsunami'...
« on: May 08, 2008, 04:09:43 PM »
THE death toll in cyclone-ravaged Burma could hit 500,000 – more than TWICE the total killed by the Boxing Day Tsunami.

Last night’s warning came as it emerged that 17 Britons, including ex-pats and backpackers, were still missing.

Sources said 200,000 people were already dead or dying.

But the figure could rise to HALF A MILLION through disease and hunger if the nation’s hardline army rulers continue to block aid for the devastated lowlands of the Irrawaddy Delta.

That would dwarf the 230,000 deaths across South East Asia in the 2004 catastrophe.

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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 04:23:23 PM »
damn, the numbers just keep going up... :(
No doubt about it...

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 04:27:37 PM »
i dont see how this is possible...500,000???
how exactly does a 'cyclone' differ from a tornado?

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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2008, 04:47:21 PM »
i dont see how this is possible...500,000???
how exactly does a 'cyclone' differ from a tornado?

It's more like a hurricane. 150 mph winds and it went over a 30,000 square kilometer area with 12 foot storm surges and where 1/4 of Myanmar's population lived in grass huts and the like. What do you think is going to happen when 12 foot wave after 12 foot wave crashes into your grass hut? They're saying some big towns are completely wiped off the map.

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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2008, 05:25:53 PM »
why dont they just call it a hurricane? seeing as how it was Burma i think they should name it Hurricane Rambo.

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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2008, 05:37:07 PM »
It's more like a hurricane. 150 mph winds and it went over a 30,000 square kilometer area with 12 foot storm surges and where 1/4 of Myanmar's population lived in grass huts and the like. What do you think is going to happen when 12 foot wave after 12 foot wave crashes into your grass hut? They're saying some big towns are completely wiped off the map.

holy crap.  how much warning do they get on those?

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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2008, 09:29:04 PM »
The news you guys are getting is somewhat skewed.
The burmese ARE accepting aid, ...they're just not accepting US aid.
perhaps it comes with a price tag, ...I don't know, ...but for whatever reason, they don't want US aid.
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2008, 10:03:28 PM »
Oh yeah it's real hard to figure out.   ::)

Notably, we are stepping up to provide aid in a time of need to a foreign country, again:

By rejecting the U.S. aid offer, the junta is refusing to take advantage of Washington's enormous ability to deliver aid quickly, which was evident during the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami that killed 230,000 people in a dozen nations.

The first foreign military aid following that disaster reached the hardest-hit nation, Indonesia, two days later. The most significant help came when U.S. helicopters from the USS Abraham Lincoln began flying relief missions to isolated communities along the Indonesian coast.

It was the biggest U.S. military operation in Southeast Asia since the Vietnam War.

With the Irrawaddy delta's roads washed out and the infrastructure in shambles, large swaths of the region are accessible only by air, something few other countries are equipped to handle as well as the United States.

Tim Costello, chief executive of World Vision Australia, said that "it's certainly the case that the Americans, as they showed in the tsunami, have extraordinary capacity."

The U.S. government, which has strongly criticized the junta's suppression of pro-democracy activists, will have to convince the generals that Washington has no political agenda, Costello said.

"Clearly we all know the political context there, and I think it's going to take a little bit more time for a breakthrough," he said.

Gordon Johndroe, President Bush's national security spokesman, said the U.S. was working to gain permission to enter Myanmar.

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/5766263.html

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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2008, 10:46:33 PM »

Maybe if the great Laura Bush gets on tv and calls them names once more it'll do the trick. 
















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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2008, 11:59:40 PM »
Jag, what demands is the US making?
BB, how do you know there are none?


The first foreign military aid following that disaster reached the hardest-hit nation, Indonesia, two days later.

We were able to bring food to people in Burna in 2 days?    Katrina took three.

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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2008, 12:44:06 AM »
Oh yeah it's real hard to figure out.   ::)

Notably, we are stepping up to provide aid in a time of need to a foreign country, again:

By rejecting the U.S. aid offer, the junta is refusing to take advantage of Washington's enormous ability to deliver aid quickly,


Ummm, ...survivors of Katrina may not think so   :-X

While millions of Americans lost their homes or lives in the devastation wrought by hurricane Katrina,
Bush not only went about business as usual, he played the guitar.

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2008, 01:03:40 AM »
Jag, what demands is the US making?


I'm not aware of any, ...but it seems odd that they'll accept help from other countries but nothing from the US.

If the US is true to form, ...offers of aid most often come with many strings attached.   :-\
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2008, 06:32:18 AM »
The news you guys are getting is somewhat skewed.
The burmese ARE accepting aid, ...they're just not accepting US aid.
perhaps it comes with a price tag, ...I don't know, ...but for whatever reason, they don't want US aid.
OK ms. knowitall...  Explain this bullshit please...

UN halts aid to Myanmar after junta seizes supplies
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_re_as/myanmar_cyclone

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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2008, 07:02:05 AM »
The news you guys are getting is somewhat skewed.
The burmese ARE accepting aid, ...they're just not accepting US aid.
perhaps it comes with a price tag, ...I don't know, ...but for whatever reason, they don't want US aid.

I remember an outpouring of international aid when Hurricane Katrina hit NOLA and the Bush administration effectively turned them all away saying that his government would rise up and handle the crisis themselves (yeah, right).  In addition to supplies and personal as much as $40 million in cash had been pledged by the international community. Does anyone else remember this?

Editorials in the international press slammed the US for its proud and arrogant position at the time.


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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2008, 07:14:49 AM »
I remember an outpouring of international aid when Hurricane Katrina hit NOLA and the Bush administration effectively turned them all away saying that his government would rise up and handle the crisis themselves (yeah, right).  In addition to supplies and personal as much as $40 million in cash had been pledged by the international community. Does anyone else remember this?

Editorials in the international press slammed the US for its proud and arrogant position at the time.



I remember that - neighboring counties offered to have ships of supplies delivered right thru to gulf, to those hit hardest in the french quarter.

he refused, then did nothing. 

Sorry, but if a hurricane wipes out my house and I'm starving, drowning, or facing some water-based disease, I'd accept help from just about anyone.

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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2008, 07:43:55 AM »
I remember that - neighboring counties offered to have ships of supplies delivered right thru to gulf, to those hit hardest in the french quarter.

he refused, then did nothing. 

Sorry, but if a hurricane wipes out my house and I'm starving, drowning, or facing some water-based disease, I'd accept help from just about anyone.


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Bush rejects Chávez aid
This article appeared in the Guardian on Wednesday September 07 2005 . It was last updated at 00:03 on September 07 2005.
An offer of aid from the Venezuelan president, Hugo Chávez, which included two mobile hospital units, 120 rescue and first aid experts and 50 tonnes of food, has been rejected, according to the civil rights leader, Jesse Jackson.

Mr Jackson said the offer from the Venezuelan leader, whom he recently met, included 10 water purification plants, 18 power generation plants and 20 tonnes of bottled water.

The offer was made in a letter from the Venezuelan ambassador to the United States, Bernardo Alvarez, to the governor of Louisiana, Kathleen Blanco…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/07/venezuela.hurricanekatrina/print


Bush Rejects French Offer of Medical Aid, Water Filters
Germany and France, the two leading European opponents of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, have offered aid to the U.S. to help the survivors of Hurricane Katrina, which probably killed thousands of people in four Gulf coast states.    

Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said Germany is ready to provide help including airlift capacities, vaccination, water purification, medical supplies and pumping services. The aid is available in the short term and can be brought to the U.S. on German air force and chartered planes, Schroeder said. The U.S. government has agreed to receive the help in principle, he said…
http://www.infowars.com/articles/new_orleans/french_offer_med_supplies_equipment.htm


U.S. Rejects Israel's Offer of Aid Workers

The United States turned down offers of expert assistance from Israel and other nations in the crucial first days after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans.

Instead, the United States solicited material assistance from Israel that was probably superfluous by the time the shipment arrived on the evening of Sept. 8.

The reasons behind the decisions are unclear. Experts have offered a number of explanations, including the bureaucratic difficulties involved in absorbing thousands of foreign first-responder personnel, the belief that the existing first-responder infrastructure in Louisiana and Mississippi was well equipped to handle the crisis and the potential political fallout from asking foreign nations to help the world's greatest power save lives on its own turf.

Such a request would have been "a tremendous admission of failure,"ť said one official of a nongovernmental organization involved in current rescue efforts, who asked not to be identified because of his relationship with U.S. government officials...
http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=14641


U.S. Rejects Cuban Aid, 20 Million Barrels of Iranian Oil
WASHINGTON - In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, governments around the world, including some of America's adversaries, have opened their checkbooks to help storm victims.

In recent days, Cuban leader Fidel Castro has proposed sending doctors and medical personnel; the Islamic Republic of Iran has offered 20 million barrels of crude oil, and Venezuela's president, Hugo Chavez, has offered the governor of Louisiana 50 tons of food, 20 tons of bottled water, and the help of 120 first aid workers. The Iranian oil would come with strings attached - the regime asked America to lift trade sanctions in return.

The State Department has said it will not accept the aid from Cuba and Iran, neither of which have formal diplomatic ties with America...
http://www2.nysun.com/national/us-rejects-cuban-aid-20-million-barrels/


U.S. REJECTS GERMAN PLANE CARRYING AID
A German military plane carrying 15 tons of military rations for Katrina survivors was sent back by U.S. authorities, officials said Saturday. The plane was turned away Thursday because it did not have the required authorization, a German government spokesman said. The spokesman, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, declined to comment on a report in the German news magazine Der Spiegel that U.S. authorities refused the delivery on the grounds that the NATO military rations...


Most Katrina Aid From Overseas Went Unclaimed
By John Solomon and Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, April 29, 2007; A01

As the winds and water of Hurricane Katrina were receding, presidential confidante Karen Hughes sent a cable from her State Department office to U.S. ambassadors worldwide.

Titled "Echo-Chamber Message" -- a public relations term for talking points designed to be repeated again and again -- the Sept. 7, 2005, directive was unmistakable: Assure the scores of countries that had pledged or donated aid at the height of the disaster that their largesse had provided Americans "practical help and moral support" and "highlight the concrete benefits hurricane victims are receiving."

Many of the U.S. diplomats who received the message, however, were beginning to witness a more embarrassing reality. They knew the U.S. government was turning down many allies' offers of manpower, supplies and expertise worth untold millions of dollars. Eventually the United States also would fail to collect most of the unprecedented outpouring of international cash assistance for Katrina's victims.

Allies offered $854 million in cash and in oil that was to be sold for cash. But only $40 million has been used so far for disaster victims or reconstruction, according to U.S. officials and contractors. Most of the aid went uncollected, including $400 million worth of oil. Some offers were withdrawn or redirected to private groups such as the Red Cross. The rest has been delayed by red tape and bureaucratic limits on how it can be spent...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/28/AR2007042801113_pf.html

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Re: 500,000? Burma death toll 'worse than Tsunami'...
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2008, 07:47:40 AM »
Bush rejects Chávez aid
WHAT!!!  :D

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Re: 500,000? Burma death toll 'worse than Tsunami'...
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2008, 08:03:49 AM »
Shouldn't the press be making hay of this?

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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2008, 09:13:58 PM »

"God damn America!"  --Jeremiah Wright  :'(



Bush rejects Chávez aid
This article appeared in the Guardian on Wednesday September 07 2005 . It was last updated at 00:03 on September 07 2005.
An offer of aid from the Venezuelan president, Hugo Chávez, which included two mobile hospital units, 120 rescue and first aid experts and 50 tonnes of food, has been rejected, according to the civil rights leader, Jesse Jackson.

Mr Jackson said the offer from the Venezuelan leader, whom he recently met, included 10 water purification plants, 18 power generation plants and 20 tonnes of bottled water.

The offer was made in a letter from the Venezuelan ambassador to the United States, Bernardo Alvarez, to the governor of Louisiana, Kathleen Blanco…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/07/venezuela.hurricanekatrina/print


Bush Rejects French Offer of Medical Aid, Water Filters
Germany and France, the two leading European opponents of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, have offered aid to the U.S. to help the survivors of Hurricane Katrina, which probably killed thousands of people in four Gulf coast states.    

Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said Germany is ready to provide help including airlift capacities, vaccination, water purification, medical supplies and pumping services. The aid is available in the short term and can be brought to the U.S. on German air force and chartered planes, Schroeder said. The U.S. government has agreed to receive the help in principle, he said…
http://www.infowars.com/articles/new_orleans/french_offer_med_supplies_equipment.htm


U.S. Rejects Israel's Offer of Aid Workers

The United States turned down offers of expert assistance from Israel and other nations in the crucial first days after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans.

Instead, the United States solicited material assistance from Israel that was probably superfluous by the time the shipment arrived on the evening of Sept. 8.

The reasons behind the decisions are unclear. Experts have offered a number of explanations, including the bureaucratic difficulties involved in absorbing thousands of foreign first-responder personnel, the belief that the existing first-responder infrastructure in Louisiana and Mississippi was well equipped to handle the crisis and the potential political fallout from asking foreign nations to help the world's greatest power save lives on its own turf.

Such a request would have been "a tremendous admission of failure,"ť said one official of a nongovernmental organization involved in current rescue efforts, who asked not to be identified because of his relationship with U.S. government officials...
http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=14641


U.S. Rejects Cuban Aid, 20 Million Barrels of Iranian Oil
WASHINGTON - In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, governments around the world, including some of America's adversaries, have opened their checkbooks to help storm victims.

In recent days, Cuban leader Fidel Castro has proposed sending doctors and medical personnel; the Islamic Republic of Iran has offered 20 million barrels of crude oil, and Venezuela's president, Hugo Chavez, has offered the governor of Louisiana 50 tons of food, 20 tons of bottled water, and the help of 120 first aid workers. The Iranian oil would come with strings attached - the regime asked America to lift trade sanctions in return.

The State Department has said it will not accept the aid from Cuba and Iran, neither of which have formal diplomatic ties with America...
http://www2.nysun.com/national/us-rejects-cuban-aid-20-million-barrels/


U.S. REJECTS GERMAN PLANE CARRYING AID
A German military plane carrying 15 tons of military rations for Katrina survivors was sent back by U.S. authorities, officials said Saturday. The plane was turned away Thursday because it did not have the required authorization, a German government spokesman said. The spokesman, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, declined to comment on a report in the German news magazine Der Spiegel that U.S. authorities refused the delivery on the grounds that the NATO military rations...


Most Katrina Aid From Overseas Went Unclaimed
By John Solomon and Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, April 29, 2007; A01

As the winds and water of Hurricane Katrina were receding, presidential confidante Karen Hughes sent a cable from her State Department office to U.S. ambassadors worldwide.

Titled "Echo-Chamber Message" -- a public relations term for talking points designed to be repeated again and again -- the Sept. 7, 2005, directive was unmistakable: Assure the scores of countries that had pledged or donated aid at the height of the disaster that their largesse had provided Americans "practical help and moral support" and "highlight the concrete benefits hurricane victims are receiving."

Many of the U.S. diplomats who received the message, however, were beginning to witness a more embarrassing reality. They knew the U.S. government was turning down many allies' offers of manpower, supplies and expertise worth untold millions of dollars. Eventually the United States also would fail to collect most of the unprecedented outpouring of international cash assistance for Katrina's victims.

Allies offered $854 million in cash and in oil that was to be sold for cash. But only $40 million has been used so far for disaster victims or reconstruction, according to U.S. officials and contractors. Most of the aid went uncollected, including $400 million worth of oil. Some offers were withdrawn or redirected to private groups such as the Red Cross. The rest has been delayed by red tape and bureaucratic limits on how it can be spent...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/28/AR2007042801113_pf.html







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Re: 500,000? Burma death toll 'worse than Tsunami'...
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2008, 09:26:55 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2008, 09:27:51 PM »
yeah

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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2008, 09:39:54 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2008, 01:44:10 AM »
Myanmar ambassador: 'We will accept aid from any corner'
     
(CNN) -- After days of stonewalling, the Myanmar government is ready to accept aid from around the world for victims of Saturday's deadly cyclone, the country's U.N. ambassador said Friday.

Myanmar's ambassador to the United Nations, Kyaw Tint Swe, made his statement during a special U.N. session during which several diplomats slammed the Myanmar government.

British Ambassador John Sawers called Myanmar's refusal to let aid workers in as the death toll mounts "an appalling crisis" and labeled the government's actions "inexplicable and inexcusable."

The Myanmar envoy responded, "We are ready to speed up and strengthen our relief effort. We will accept aid from any corner."

The ambassador from Singapore tried to defuse the anger aimed at Myanmar, urging those in the special session not to politicize the situation.

John Holmes, the U.N. coordinator for humanitarian affairs, told the delegates that the death toll from Cyclone Nargis ranges from 63,000 to 100,000, well above the Myanmar government's announced toll of 22,000.

. . . .

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/05/09/myanmar/index.html

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Re: 500,000? Burma death toll 'worse than Tsunami'...
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2008, 02:53:04 AM »
why dont they just call it a hurricane? seeing as how it was Burma i think they should name it Hurricane Rambo.

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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2008, 05:02:28 AM »
i dont see how this is possible...500,000???
how exactly does a 'cyclone' differ from a tornado?

a cyclone is a hurricane with winds blowing in the opposite direction than that or a hurricane since its in the southern hemosphere..
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