Bob Chick's Ben White Prediction

[njflex]

well at least 12 nat winners won a pro show and 1 was mr olympia.and taylor and levrone have over 20wins each not bad...

[Chick]

Why did you choose to air Lee's suspension laundry, yet you chose not to air any suspension for Victor's felony drug sale conviction or Denise masino hardcore porn video?

Vic went to jail...I don't think we were even on the air at that time. It was covered by every mag and outlet at that time, just like the Titus story, etc....there are big stories, and there is INTERNAL BUSINESS....small things that don't merrit headlines.

[Spike]

No one that wins the USA or the Nationals is a "scrub".....try it sometime.

yea but I know a few that got the 'shaft'

[G o a t b o y]

Vic went to jail...I don't think we were even on the air at that time. It was covered by every mag and outlet at that time, just like the Titus story, etc....there are big stories, and there is INTERNAL BUSINESS....small things that don't merrit headlines.

Small things, like the Pittsburgh Steelers' third-string left tackle failing a drug test:  "internal business" that gets promptly reported by the league. 


The IFBB is schizophrenic...  it wants to be a "private, closely-held business" when it suits them, but it wants to be seen as a major "sports federation" when it suits them.   When will you learn you can't have it both ways? 

[MCWAY]

well at least 12 nat winners won a pro show and 1 was mr olympia.and taylor and levrone have over 20wins each not bad...

One overall champion and one class winner has a Sandow on his mantle.

However, the USA winners have done alright for themselves. I count 8 USA Champions that have won a pro show.

[Chick]

Small things, like the Pittsburgh Steelers' third-string left tackle failing a drug test:  "internal business" that gets promptly reported by the league. 


The IFBB is schizophrenic...  it wants to be a "private, closely-held business" when it suits them, but it wants to be seen as a major "sports federation" when it suits them.   When will you learn you can't have it both ways? 

Anyone who has ever failed a drug test in the IFBB, has also been reported by the league...

[bigdumbbell]

Because they are still in the federation..it's called internal affairs. This isn't a publicly traded company...

many law enforcement agencys have internal affairs divisions...they monitor corruption.

[Tamer Razor]

Small things, like the Pittsburgh Steelers' third-string left tackle failing a drug test:  "internal business" that gets promptly reported by the league. 


The IFBB is schizophrenic...  it wants to be a "private, closely-held business" when it suits them, but it wants to be seen as a major "sports federation" when it suits them.   When will you learn you can't have it both ways? 

How do you make statements like this...Are you part of the IFBB in any capacity....Forget the IFBB are you part of Bodybuilding in any capacity ....do you even work out?

[G o a t b o y]

Anyone who has ever failed a drug test in the IFBB, has also been reported by the league...

With the exception of 2001 O and that ASC back in the 90's, when have you jokers ever done any real drug testing?     C'mon, Bob, that was weak even for you.

[G o a t b o y]

How do you make statements like this...Are you part of the IFBB in any capacity....Forget the IFBB are you part of Bodybuilding in any capacity ....do you even work out?

How dare the business press make comments or analysis about the Microsoft/Yahoo proposed merger deal!  Are they part of either of those companies in any capacity?  Forget those companies, do they work in the software field at all?  Do they even hold MBA's??

[Chick]

With the exception of 2001 O and that ASC back in the 90's, when have you jokers ever done any real drug testing?     C'mon, Bob, that was weak even for you.

Whats the difference how many times they've done it? Whenever they have, they released the info...

Whats weak is your inability to understand the difference between "headline news" and "family business"....

[Tamer Razor]

How dare the business press make comments or analysis about the Microsoft/Yahoo proposed merger deal!  Are they part of either of those companies in any capacity?  Forget those companies, do they work in the software field at all?  Do they even hold MBA's??

The Business press is educated and well informed about Business. The Reporters in ESPN or are ex-PRO,Historians or being involved in the sport their commenting for several years. If you are going to be comment about Bodybuilding and start making statements...you need to know what you talking about or you can just continue to make yourself stupid.....

[G o a t b o y]

Whats the difference how many times they've done it? Whenever they have, they released the info...

Whats weak is your inability to understand the difference between "headline news" and "family business"....

The point is, in major sporting federations, like the NFL, NBA, etc, who depend on their fans for their livlihood, the presumption is "the fans have a right to know".  Very little is considered "family business", as you put it.  The IFBB, on the other hand, while holding itself out there as a major sporting federation, seems to want everything to be considered "family business"...  they would prefer the fans know as little as possible outside of who won what and which pills and powders we should buy. 

[G o a t b o y]

The Business press is educated and well informed about Business.

Wow are you naive.    

[dearth]

you are right. Its an family run monopoly with a joke of rulebook that is arbitrarily enforced.

internal affairs rules vs. competing outside the federation rules

Gee chick, it looks like you've invented yet another piece of hidden criteria in the IFBB rulebook

Because they are still in the federation..it's called internal affairs. This isn't a publicly traded company...

[Chick]

The point is, in major sporting federations, like the NFL, NBA, etc, who depend on their fans for their livlihood, the presumption is "the fans have a right to know".  Very little is considered "family business", as you put it.  The IFBB, on the other hand, while holding itself out there as a major sporting federation, seems to want everything to be considered "family business"...  they would prefer the fans know as little as possible outside of who on what and which pills and powders we should buy. 

Given your statement..do you believe major sports feds disclose ALL information to the media?

Do you believe there is some business that is taken care of behind closed doors?

[G o a t b o y]

Given your statement..do you believe major sports feds disclose ALL information to the media?

Do you believe there is some business that is taken care of behind closed doors?

It doesn't have to be an "all or nothing" kind of argument.  In terms of information disclosure, the NFL is a chatty teenage girl, while the IFBB is the Soviet Politburo.

[Triple-H_2005]

I understand both sides of the argument, so I'm not trying to throw gasoline on a fire here...BUT...

It seems to me that what Priest did, while it was a violation of the rules, was more of an issue because the IFBB regarded it as Disrespect.  I know, the MD boards have the patent on the godfather jargon, but I think it's okay to use it here!

Masino (and many of the female BBers on her site/ in her mag) are breaking the rules, but it's not taking business away from the IFBB.  Same with Kai, same with any BBer doing porn etc...  I DO feel, however, that such behavior is far more detrimental to the sport than Priest competing in a rival federation.  

I'm not naiive, and I know BBing will NEVER be more than a fringe, cult "sport", and to call something 'dmamging' to bodybuilding's image is kind of like spitting into the ocean.

All things being equal, I would think that the IFBB would be a bit more concerned about image.  I'm not saying Lee shouldn't have been suspended, he sould have.  But he took his medicine and now the IFBB is unduly penalizing him to make a point.

I had a point when I started this pose, but I lost it somewhere!

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the IFBB's unwillingness to punish the beavior of Masino, Kai etc, and to over-punish Priest smacks of selective ethics and an overall disingenuous policy of rule enforcement.

[Chick]

It doesn't have to be an "all or nothing" kind of argument.  In terms of information disclosure, the NFL is a chatty teenage girl, while the IFBB is the Soviet Politburo.

So, I take it you refuse to answer the two questions I asked?

[nder98]

You'll have to excuse Goatboy...he"s never had the guts to get onstage, yet talks like he's walked the walk.

HAHAHA I love it, but yet he feels justified to bash people that he couldnt even amount to their pinki toe.. LMAO!

[Tre]

Isn't the USA's kind of a scrub show, as pro-qualifiers go?  The Nationals is where the real champs win their pro cards.

Although the field is deeper at Nationals, there are also a lot more pro cards available. 

Winning when only 1 or 2 cards are available...that's saying something. 

Now, did he really 'win' the USAs or was that a gift?

[G o a t b o y]

So, I take it you refuse to answer the two questions I asked?

I believe I did.  But your questions completely miss the point.  Because the NFL may keep 0.001% of things private while making public all else that does not justify the IFBB wanting to keep 98% of things private.  The NFL and other major sports leagues believe the fans have a right to know most things, the IFBB would prefer the fans know as little as possible.

The issue is the IFBB doesn't act like a real sports federation, yet wants to be thought of as one.

[Chick]

I believe I did.  But your questions completely miss the point.  Because the NFL may keep 0.001% of things private while making public all else that does not justify the IFBB wanting to keep 98% of things private.  The NFL and other major sports leagues believe the fans have a right to know most things, the IFBB would prefer the fans know as little as possible.

The issue is the IFBB doesn't act like a real sports federation, yet wants to be thought of as one.

Real simple:

YES or NO,  to the questions

[G o a t b o y]

Now, did he really 'win' the USAs or was that a gift?

I don't know...  did Bodybuilding.com sponsor the USA's that year?   

[G o a t b o y]

Here, Bob, I've modified my previous post to account for your complete inability to read between the lines.     It doesn't change the substance of the post one iota:

Yes, the NFL probably does not disclose a small number of things it does regarding the players.  But your questions completely miss the point.  Just because the NFL may keep 0.001% of things private while making public all else that does not justify the IFBB wanting to keep 98% of things private.  The NFL and other major sports leagues believe the fans have a right to know most things, the IFBB would prefer the fans know as little as possible.

The issue is the IFBB doesn't act like a real sports federation, yet wants to be thought of as one.