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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2008, 09:58:56 AM »
Yes, deal with it until November, when the people of California decide whether or not they agree with the four men in black. 

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2008, 11:29:07 AM »
4 idiots (judges).... overturn 4 million who voted to keep marriage between man and woman. 

I hear democracy getting flushed down the toilet. 
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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2008, 11:30:00 AM »
4 idiots (judges).... overturn 4 million who voted to keep marriage between man and woman. 

I hear democracy getting flushed down the toilet. 

That's funny, that's what the liberals have been saying since 9/11

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2008, 11:43:42 AM »
That's funny, that's what the liberals have been saying since 9/11

Well let's unite and take over America then.
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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2008, 11:44:24 AM »
Well let's unite and take over America then.

When  would you like to march on Washington?   ;D

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #55 on: May 17, 2008, 12:52:23 PM »
When  would you like to march on Washington?   ;D

LOL...hell we need not march we to to invade.   :o
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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2008, 01:46:14 PM »
Homosexuals choose to be homosexual and there is no science that proves otherwise.

This isn't a "Christian" issue.  Check the numbers.  Voters overwhelming reject homosexual marriage whenever it's put on the ballot.

Bum - for about the millionth time - lack of evidence of concrete genetic factor does not prove that being gay is a choice.  It's a logial fallacy that you're either unable to comprehend or simply choose to ignore.

Gay human beings overwhelming say that it is not something they chose.

When you claim that it is a choice you're saying that either all gay people are liars (on this topic)  or that you, in your infinite wisdom, know what's going on in the hearts and minds of other people better than the actual people know themselves 


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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2008, 01:58:57 PM »
Bum - for about the millionth time - lack of evidence of concrete genetic factor does not prove that being gay is a choice.  It's a logial fallacy that you're either unable to comprehend or simply choose to ignore.

Gay human beings overwhelming say that it is not something they chose.

When you claim that it is a choice you're saying that either all gay people are liars (on this topic)  or that you, in your infinite wisdom, know what's going on in the hearts and minds of other people better than the actual people know themselves 



O.K.  I will let you humor me.  Lack of "concrete genetic factor"?  How about zero scientific proof.

It's obviously a choice.  From a scientific standpoint, there really isn't much to discuss.  The proof doesn’t exist.  If you want to rely on the overwhelming number of homosexuals you appear to know so intimately well, then go right ahead.  Doesn't really matter to me.   

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2008, 02:01:53 PM »
Do we "choose" to be heterosexual?

That was an argument i heard on the radio earlier this week.

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2008, 02:07:19 PM »
O.K.  I will let you humor me.  Lack of "concrete genetic factor"?  How about zero scientific proof.

It's obviously a choice.  From a scientific standpoint, there really isn't much to discuss.  The proof doesn’t exist.  If you want to rely on the overwhelming number of homosexuals you appear to know so intimately well, then go right ahead.  Doesn't really matter to me.   


so you're saying that if something can't be proven true then it MUST be false?

You're also agreeing that you know the what goes on in the mind and hearts of other people better than they know themself?

Do I understand you correctly??

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2008, 02:07:38 PM »
Actually, I think the Gay lobby will win this thing.

Gays are a strong group in the society today. Very few have kids, they are well-above average in earnings and education.

Especially male gays are becoming increasingly a strong interest group, with more pulling power than their number would suggest. In comparison to eg feminists (half of the population!) or other minority groups, gays are very successful in getting their message through.

The image of a gay person being AIDS ridden and something wrong is getting increasingly outdated.

I think the Christian Conservatives are fighting in vain. The gays are just too strong and will sooner rather than later get marriage passed.

The strategy to attach gay issues to voting ballots aren't gonna work forever either.

Because the gay lobby is pulling votes, and those votes are valuable.

Everytime the GOP or an interest organisation associated with the GOP gets an gay issue attached to an election, they automatically gets the growing gay lobby against the GOP ticket.

Which will be disaster.

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2008, 02:15:43 PM »
Do we "choose" to be heterosexual?

That was an argument i heard on the radio earlier this week.

You do what comes natural when you hit puberty, which includes being attracted to the opposite sex.   

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #62 on: May 17, 2008, 02:17:26 PM »
so you're saying that if something can't be proven true then it MUST be false?

You're also agreeing that you know the what goes on in the mind and hearts of other people better than they know themself?

Do I understand you correctly??

I'm saying don't invent a fact and ask other people to disprove it. 

I didn't say anything about knowing what's in anyone mind or heart.  I was talking about science. 

So no, you don't understand me correctly. 

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #63 on: May 17, 2008, 02:19:08 PM »
Actually, I think the Gay lobby will win this thing.

Gays are a strong group in the society today. Very few have kids, they are well-above average in earnings and education.

Especially male gays are becoming increasingly a strong interest group, with more pulling power than their number would suggest. In comparison to eg feminists (half of the population!) or other minority groups, gays are very successful in getting their message through.

The image of a gay person being AIDS ridden and something wrong is getting increasingly outdated.

I think the Christian Conservatives are fighting in vain. The gays are just too strong and will sooner rather than later get marriage passed.

The strategy to attach gay issues to voting ballots aren't gonna work forever either.

Because the gay lobby is pulling votes, and those votes are valuable.

Everytime the GOP or an interest organisation associated with the GOP gets an gay issue attached to an election, they automatically gets the growing gay lobby against the GOP ticket.

Which will be disaster.

JMO.

I've said before I believe things like homosexual marriage are inevitable.  But it should happen only when the people decide, not some knucklehead activist judges. 

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #64 on: May 17, 2008, 02:31:18 PM »
I've said before I believe things like homosexual marriage are inevitable.  But it should happen only when the people decide, not some knucklehead activist judges. 

Opposing the gays would be political suicide. :-\

The gays have been discussing adoptions and shit for so long now, so marriage seems like a non-issue in comparison.

I used to be against gays having the right to adopt, but I realized that it wasn't based on facts, it just felt wrong.

So I don't really have an opinion, if people with experience on the topic thinks kids adopted by gays gets by just as fine, then I can't have any objections.

Or conversly, if they oppose it, I would go with that.

This is a case where I think you gotta go with what research and experts tells you.
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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2008, 02:32:17 PM »
You do what comes natural when you hit puberty, which includes being attracted to the opposite sex.   

Or the same sex or not?

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2008, 05:49:07 PM »
I'm saying don't invent a fact and ask other people to disprove it. 

I didn't say anything about knowing what's in anyone mind or heart.  I was talking about science. 

So no, you don't understand me correctly. 

you actually have "invented" a fact.

You choose to believe that sexual orientation is a choice and you claim this to be "fact" by virtue of a logical fallacy called Argument from Ignorance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance



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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2008, 10:22:34 PM »
Opposing the gays would be political suicide. :-\

The gays have been discussing adoptions and shit for so long now, so marriage seems like a non-issue in comparison.

I used to be against gays having the right to adopt, but I realized that it wasn't based on facts, it just felt wrong.

So I don't really have an opinion, if people with experience on the topic thinks kids adopted by gays gets by just as fine, then I can't have any objections.

Or conversly, if they oppose it, I would go with that.

This is a case where I think you gotta go with what research and experts tells you.

Not necessarily.  The Republican platform has explicitly or implicitly opposed special rights, including marriage rights, for homosexuals for years and I don't think it has hurt them at all.  Realistically, there probably aren't enough homosexual voters to make a difference in most elections.  The votes on homosexual marriage pretty much prove this.  Just look at the gay capital of the U.S. (California) and how the voters reserved marriage for a man and a woman by a 60 percent margin.  When this particular issue comes up for a vote, it loses every time, from coast to coast . . . and even in the middle of the ocean.  We rejected homosexual marriage by about a 70 percent margin in Hawaii, arguably the most liberal state in the country.   

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2008, 10:23:55 PM »
Or the same sex or not?

Nah.  Not normally anyway.  How do you think we all got here?   :) 


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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2008, 10:34:47 PM »
Nah.  Not normally anyway.  How do you think we all got here?   :) 



about 90% of the men felt "compelled" to FUCK the women?

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2008, 10:36:08 PM »

Hahaha, I'm going to laugh when one of BB's spawn decides to play for the other team.

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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #71 on: May 17, 2008, 10:36:45 PM »
Nah.  Not normally anyway.  How do you think we all got here?   :) 




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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2008, 10:42:48 PM »

I always thought the best form of birth control was to kill a stork.

 :)  Or this:




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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
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Re: California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #74 on: May 17, 2008, 11:09:33 PM »
still about 10% of men/women want to get naked with the same sex

more/less?

who cares?