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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1225 on: June 26, 2015, 07:55:25 AM »
Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules, 5-4
By ADAM LIPTAK

WASHINGTON — In a long-sought victory for the gay rights movement, the Supreme Court ruled on Friday that the Constitution guarantees a nationwide right to same-sex marriage.

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote the majority opinion in the 5 to 4 decision. He was joined by the court’s four more liberal justices.

The decision, the culmination of decades of litigation and activism, came against the backdrop of fast-moving changes in public opinion, with polls indicating that most Americans now approve of same-sex marriage.

Justice Kennedy said gay and lesbian couples have a fundamental right to marry.

“No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family,” he wrote. “In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were.”

“It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage,” Justice Kennedy said of the couples challenging state bans on same-sex marriage. “Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right.”

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., in a dissent joined by Justice Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, said the Constitution has nothing to say on the subject.

“If you are among the many Americans — of whatever sexual orientation — who favor expanding same-sex marriage, by all means celebrate today’s decision,” Chief Justice Roberts wrote. “Celebrate the achievement of a desired goal. Celebrate the opportunity for a new expression of commitment to a partner. Celebrate the availability of new benefits. But do not celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it.”

In a second dissent, Justice Scalia mocked Justice Kennedy’s soaring language.

“The opinion is couched in a style that is as pretentious as its content is egotistic,” Justice Scalia wrote of his colleague’s work. “Of course the opinion’s showy profundities are often profoundly incoherent.”

As in earlier civil rights cases, the Supreme Court had moved cautiously and methodically, laying careful judicial groundwork for a transformative decision.

As late as October, the justices ducked the issue, refusing to hear appeals from rulings allowing same-sex marriage in five states. That decision delivered a tacit victory for gay rights, immediately expanding the number of states with same-sex marriage to 24, along with the District of Columbia, up from 19.

Largely as a consequence of the Supreme Court’s decision not to act, the number of states allowing same-sex marriage has since grown to 36, and more than 70 percent of Americans live in places where gay couples can marry.

The court did not agree to resolve the issue for the rest of the nation until January, in cases filed by gay and lesbian couples in Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee. The court heard extended arguments in April, and the justices seemed sharply divided over what the Constitution has to say about same-sex marriage.

Lawyers for the plaintiffs said their clients had a fundamental right to marry and to equal protection, adding that the bans they challenged demeaned their dignity, imposed countless practical difficulties and inflicted particular harm on their children.

The Obama administration, which had gradually come to embrace the cause of same-sex marriage, was unequivocal in urging the justices to rule for the plaintiffs.

“Gay and lesbian people are equal,” Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr. said. “They deserve equal protection of the laws, and they deserve it now.”

Lawyers for the four states said their bans were justified by tradition and the distinctive characteristics of opposite-sex unions. They added that the question should be resolved democratically, at the polls and in state legislatures, rather than by judges.

The Supreme Court had once before agreed to hear a case arising from a constitutional challenge to a same-sex marriage ban, California’s Proposition 8, in 2012 in Hollingsworth v. Perry. At the time, nine states and the District of Columbia allowed same-sex couples to marry.

But when the court’s ruling arrived in June 2013, the justices ducked, with a majority saying the case was not properly before them, and none of them expressing a view on the ultimate question of whether the Constitution requires states to allow same-sex marriage.

A second decision the same day, in United States v. Windsor, provided the movement for same-sex marriage with what turned out to be a powerful tailwind. The decision struck down the part of the Defense of Marriage Act that barred federal benefits for same-sex couples married in states that allowed such unions.

The Windsor decision was based partly on federalism grounds, with Justice Anthony M. Kennedy’s majority opinion stressing that state decisions on how to treat marriages deserved respect. But lower courts focused on other parts of his opinion, ones that emphasized the dignity of gay relationships and the harm that families of gay couples suffered from bans on same-sex marriage.

In a remarkable and largely unbroken line of more than 40 decisions, state and federal courts relied on the Windsor decision to rule in favor of same-sex marriage.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1226 on: June 26, 2015, 08:57:21 AM »
 Fellow Christians - do you think this could be the "last straw"? I do.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1227 on: June 26, 2015, 09:03:02 AM »
If you like your church you can keep your church?
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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1228 on: June 26, 2015, 09:06:37 AM »
now, as soon as the confederate flag thing dies down, we can have the whole debate with "people starting gofundme/suing/etc after church denies their request for a marriage that SCOTUS said is legal".

Watch and see.  Media - both left and right - is so predictable. 

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1229 on: June 26, 2015, 09:12:19 AM »
Churches will sue to protect their tax exampt status when they refuse to marry fags. Fags will push the issue because its not about that...its about us excepting them. The gov will not enforce the Constitution and tell that churces are free to exercise.....in the fucking constitution...exercise their religion. They'll allow them to get sued. The fabric of the country is being destroyed. You fucking libs are allowing a tiny diseased immoral agenda driven rabble to destroy the best country in the world.
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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1230 on: June 26, 2015, 09:15:59 AM »
Churches will sue to protect their tax exampt status when they refuse to marry fags. Fags will push the issue because its not about that...its about us excepting them. The gov will not enforce the Constitution and tell that churces are free to exercise.....in the fucking constitution...exercise their religion. They'll allow them to get sued. The fabric of the country is being destroyed. You fucking libs are allowing a tiny diseased immoral agenda driven rabble to destroy the best country in the world.

Agraphia might be indicative of a stroke. Take a few deep breaths and a couple of aspirins, call 911 and hope for the best. If you survive and regain the ability to coherently and cogently express your thoughts, we'll be here.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1231 on: June 26, 2015, 09:33:36 AM »
Churches will sue to protect their tax exampt status when they refuse to marry fags. Fags will push the issue because its not about that...its about us excepting them. The gov will not enforce the Constitution and tell that churces are free to exercise.....in the fucking constitution...exercise their religion. They'll allow them to get sued. The fabric of the country is being destroyed. You fucking libs are allowing a tiny diseased immoral agenda driven rabble to destroy the best country in the world.

Churches can't be forced to marry ANYONE so you have nothing to worry about.


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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1232 on: June 26, 2015, 10:35:26 AM »
Churches will sue to protect their tax exampt status when they refuse to marry fags. Fags will push the issue because its not about that...its about us excepting them. The gov will not enforce the Constitution and tell that churces are free to exercise.....in the fucking constitution...exercise their religion. They'll allow them to get sued. The fabric of the country is being destroyed. You fucking libs are allowing a tiny diseased immoral agenda driven rabble to destroy the best country in the world.


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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1233 on: June 26, 2015, 12:04:35 PM »
Churches will sue to protect their tax exampt status when they refuse to marry fags. Fags will push the issue because its not about that...its about us excepting them. The gov will not enforce the Constitution and tell that churces are free to exercise.....in the fucking constitution...exercise their religion. They'll allow them to get sued. The fabric of the country is being destroyed. You fucking libs are allowing a tiny diseased immoral agenda driven rabble to destroy the best country in the world.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1234 on: June 26, 2015, 12:07:12 PM »
Churches will sue to protect their tax exampt status when they refuse to marry fags. Fags will push the issue because its not about that...its about us excepting them. The gov will not enforce the Constitution and tell that churces are free to exercise.....in the fucking constitution...exercise their religion. They'll allow them to get sued. The fabric of the country is being destroyed. You fucking libs are allowing a tiny diseased immoral agenda driven rabble to destroy the best country in the world.

There is a way out; have you considered suicide?  At the very least consider spell check and grammar check.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1235 on: June 26, 2015, 02:09:40 PM »
Churches can't be forced to marry ANYONE so you have nothing to worry about.


bingo.
thank you.
but it makes a great sound byte on Fox News.
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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1236 on: June 26, 2015, 06:46:48 PM »
So what excuse do you think this dumb ass nimwit will use so he doesn't have to follow through?

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/25/christian-pastor-promises-to-set-himself-on-fire-if-gay-marriage-is-legalized-nationwide-audio/

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1237 on: June 27, 2015, 02:38:36 AM »

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1238 on: June 27, 2015, 06:34:52 AM »

I hope he follows through.

He will claim God spoke to him and told him to stick around.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1239 on: June 27, 2015, 08:55:20 AM »
He will claim God spoke to him and told him to stick around.

If God is such an intelligent being, he will be the one pouring the gasoline.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1240 on: June 27, 2015, 12:08:31 PM »
If God is such an intelligent being, he will be the one pouring the gasoline.

Oooohhhhhh!   ZING!!!

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1241 on: June 27, 2015, 12:32:19 PM »
Churches can't be forced to marry ANYONE so you have nothing to worry about.



 I'm sure people would've probably said the same thing about bakeries being forced to bake cakes for Sodomite weddings just a few short years ago.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1242 on: June 27, 2015, 09:48:36 PM »
I'm sure people would've probably said the same thing about bakeries being forced to bake cakes for Sodomite weddings just a few short years ago.

Stop making a fool of yourself.   :-[

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« Reply #1243 on: June 28, 2015, 12:19:43 AM »
Stop making a fool of yourself.   :-[

 Brilliant rebuttal.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1244 on: August 27, 2015, 08:21:24 AM »
Ky. official really, really must issue marriage licenses, appeals court rules
By Justin Wm. Moyer

A federal appeals court has ruled that a Kentucky official who refused to issue marriage licenses after the Supreme Court’s historic gay marriage ruling earlier this year must do so while she continues to pursue litigation in federal court.

Kim Davis is a court official in Morehead, Ky., about 70 miles east of Lexington. After the Supreme Court ruled gay couples have a right to marry, Davis, an Apostolic Christian, refused to issue any marriage licenses at all — and was promptly sued by six couples, gay and straight. Earlier this month, a federal trial court judge said she had to honor the high court’s ruling notwithstanding her personal religious beliefs.

“Our form of government will not survive unless we, as a society, agree to respect the U.S. Supreme Court’s decisions, regardless of our personal opinions,” Judge David L. Bunning of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Kentucky wrote. “Davis is certainly free to disagree with the court’s opinion, as many Americans likely do, but that does not excuse her from complying with it. To hold otherwise would set a dangerous precedent.”

Yet, the day after the ruling, one gay couple showed up at Morehead’s Rowan County Courthouse armed with a camera — and was turned away, told that the case was under appeal.

“Currently this morning, we are still in litigation, and we are still not issuing marriage licenses,” a court employee told David Moore and his partner David Ermold, who have repeatedly tried to get a license in their home county.

“She’s wrong, and these people are cruel to do this to us,” Ermold said. “… We have waited for years to get married. We have been together forever. He wanted to wait until it was legal in all the states.” Ermold added: “This is the way gay people are treated in this country. … If nothing comes of this, at least I hope that other people understand that this is wrong.”

Now, the court clerk has lost another round in the litigation about the tension between the constitutional protection of both same-sex marriage and religious freedom. Davis requested a stay of the district court’s ruling — and, on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit denied it.

“It cannot be defensibly argued that the holder of the Rowan County Clerk’s office, apart from who personally occupies that office, may decline to act in conformity with the United States Constitution as interpreted by a dispositive holding of the United States Supreme Court,” the Sixth Circuit wrote. “… There is thus little or no likelihood that the Clerk in her official capacity will prevail on appeal.”

Mat Staver, the founder and chairman of the Liberty Counsel, a group representing Davis that aims to advance religious freedom, objected to the decision.

“It suggests that individuals within a government agency don’t have any independent constitutional rights,” Staver told Louisville’s Courier-Journal. “They don’t lose their constitutional or statutory rights by virtue of working in a public office.”

Davis plans to seek a stay of the order requiring to issue licenses from a justice of the U.S. Supreme Court as early as Thursday, the Courier-Journal also reported. And Staver told the Courier-Journal that he did not know whether Davis will resume providing the necessary forms at the Rowan County Courthouse beginning on Thursday to obtain a marriage license.

Reached by phone early Thursday, Moore said he and Ermold were “kind of pessimistic” about getting a license, but would “see what happens in the morning and then decide about going down to try again.” He pointed out that the original decision might not go into effect until the end of the month.

“This is our home county, this is where we live, this is where we pay taxes,” Moore said. “This is telling someone: ‘We don’t want you here.'”

Moore said that, when he asked Davis in person about her refusal to issue a marriage license, she got “kind of emotional” and recounted the story of Adam and Eve.

“That’s fine,” he said. “That’s her beliefs. I don’t believe that way.”

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1245 on: August 27, 2015, 09:15:48 AM »
Stupid fundie should be fired

If can't do the job for religious reasons then step aside

There is a reason why you don't see any Amish bus drivers

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1246 on: August 27, 2015, 06:55:41 PM »
Stupid fundie should be fired

If can't do the job for religious reasons then step aside

There is a reason why you don't see any Amish bus drivers

No shit.

Dumbasses are basically letting everyone know they are mentally and intellectually incapable of simple tasks.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1247 on: August 27, 2015, 07:13:41 PM »
No shit.

Dumbasses are basically letting everyone know they are mentally and intellectually incapable of simple tasks.

It's very simple, if her personal religious beliefs don't allow her to perform the tasks required for the job then she is not qualified to hold that position

Her personal religious beliefs (her choice) does not supercede other peoples access to their civil rights.

If she had any honor or personal dignity she would simply resign instead of making a spectacle of herself


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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1248 on: January 06, 2016, 05:54:02 PM »
Top Alabama Judge Orders Halt to Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
by Alan Blinder

ATLANTA — The chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, Roy S. Moore, on Wednesday ordered probate judges in the state not to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, a move that could cloud the carrying out of the United States Supreme Court decision that legalized same-sex unions.

Within hours of the administrative order, the probate court in Mobile County said on its website that it was “not issuing marriage licenses to any applicants until further notice.” That probate office, among the busiest in Alabama, was involved in the litigation that last year prompted a federal judge in Mobile to strike down the state’s marriage restrictions as unconstitutional.

Chief Justice Moore previously used an administrative order to try to derail same-sex nuptials in Alabama. On a Sunday night last February, hours before same-sex marriages were scheduled to begin in the state, he issued a similar order to probate judges, most of whom defied the edict.

On Wednesday, Chief Justice Moore, who is among the country’s most prominent religious conservatives, argued, in part, that probate judges should not issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples because of a State Supreme Court decision that upheld Alabama’s marriage prohibitions. The conflicting decisions in Washington and Montgomery, the chief justice wrote, led to “confusion and uncertainty” among Alabama’s probate judges about how to apply the federal court’s opinion in Obergefell v. Hodges, which established a constitutional right to same-sex marriage.

“Many probate judges are issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples in accordance with Obergefell; others are issuing marriage licenses only to couples of the opposite gender or have ceased issuing all marriage licenses,” he wrote. “This disparity affects the administration of justice in this state.”

Chief Justice Moore also wrote that “a judgment only binds the parties to the case before the court.” The Obergefell case included litigants from Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee.

The chief justice’s order prompted criticism from supporters of same-sex marriage.

“Roy Moore is obstructing same-sex couples’ access to marriage, which they are constitutionally guaranteed,” said Sarah Warbelow, the legal director of the Human Rights Campaign. “This is just more of his shenanigans. It’s about him and his personal beliefs at this point, rather than carrying out the rule of law.”

Some probate judges said they would ignore the chief justice.

In a post on Twitter, Judge Steven L. Reed of Montgomery County Probate Court called the order a charade and said he would continue to process marriage licenses for all couples.

Legal experts also questioned the chief justice’s order.

“Ordering the state’s probate judges to refuse to issue marriage licenses to all couples who seek them constitutes an exercise in futility,” Ronald Krotoszynski, a law professor at the University of Alabama, wrote in an email. “At best, it sows chaos and confusion; at worst, it forces couples to bring federal court litigation in order to exercise a clearly established federal constitutional right.”

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1249 on: January 07, 2016, 07:36:04 AM »
same situation as saying the earth is flat; the sun revolves around the earth. some people just can't learn.
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