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« on: May 16, 2008, 09:00:04 AM »

    536,000,000,000: the number of dollars the Pentagon is requesting for the 2009 military budget. This represents an increase of almost 70% over the Pentagon's 2001 budget of $316 billion - and that's without factoring in "supplementary" requests to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as the President's Global War on Terror. Add in those soaring sums and military spending has more than doubled in the Bush era. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, since 2001, funding for "defense and related programs... has jumped at an annual average rate of 8%... - four times faster than the average rate of growth for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (2%), and 27 times faster than the average rate for growth for domestic discretionary programs (0.3%)."

    1,390,000: the number of subprime foreclosures over the next two years, as estimated by Credit Suisse analysts. They also predict that, by the end of 2012, 12.7% of all residential borrowers may be out of their homes as part of a housing crisis that caught the Bush administration totally off-guard.

    1,000,000: the number of "missions" or "sorties" the U.S. Air Force proudly claims to have flown in the Global War on Terror since 9/11, more than one-third of them (about 353,000) in what it still likes to call Operation Iraqi Freedom. This is a good measure of where American energies (and oil purchases) have gone these last years.

    509,000: the number of names found in 2007 on a "terrorist watch list" compiled by the FBI. No longer, in George Bush's America, is a 10 Most Wanted list adequate. According to ABC News, "U.S. lawmakers and their spouses have been detained because their names were on the watch list" and Saddam Hussein was on the list even when in U.S. custody. By February 2008, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, the names on the same FBI list had ballooned to 900,000.

    300,000: the number of American troops who now suffer from major depression or post-traumatic stress, according to a recent RAND study. This represents almost one out of every five soldiers who served in Iraq or Afghanistan. Even more - approximately 320,000 - "report possible brain injuries from explosions or other head wounds." This, RAND reports, represents a barely dealt with "major health crisis." The depression and PTSD alone will, the study reported, "cost the nation as much as $6.2 billion in the two years following deployment."

    51,000: the number of post-surge Iraqi prisoners held in American and Iraqi jails at the end of 2007. In that country, the U.S. now runs "perhaps the world's largest extrajudicial internment camp," Camp Bucca, whose holding capacity is, even now, being expanded from 20,000 to 30,000 prisoners. Then there's Camp Cropper, with at least 4,000 prisoners, including "hundreds of juveniles." Many of these prisoners were simply swept up in surge raids and have been held without charges or access to lawyers or courts ever since. Add in prisoners (in unknown numbers) in our sizeable network of prisons in Afghanistan, at Guantanamo, and in our various offshore and borrowed prisons; add in, as well, the widespread mistreatment of prisoners at American hands; and you have the machinery for the manufacture of vast numbers of angry potential enemies, some undoubtedly willing to commit almost any act of revenge. Though there is no way to tabulate the numbers, hundreds of thousands of prisoners have certainly cycled through the Bush administration's various prisons in these last seven years, many emerging embittered. (And don't forget their embittered families.) Think of all this as an enormous dystopian experiment in "social networking," the Facebook from Hell without the Internet.

    5,700: the number of trailers in New Orleans - issued by the Federal Emergency Management Agency as temporary housing after Hurricane Katrina - still occupied by people who lost their homes in the storm almost three years ago. Such trailers have also been found to contain toxic levels of formaldehyde fumes. Katrina ("Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job") was but one of many security disasters for the Bush administration.

    658: the number of suicide bombings worldwide last year, including 542 in Afghanistan and Iraq, "more than double the number in any of the past 25 years." Of all the suicide bombings in the past quarter century, more than 86% have occurred since 2001, according to U.S. government experts. At least one of those bombers - who died in a recent coordinated wave of suicide bombings in the Iraqi city of Mosul - was a Kuwaiti, Abdallah Salih al-Ajmi, who had spent years locked up in Guantanamo.

    511: the number of applicants convicted of felony crimes, including burglary, grand larceny, and aggravated assault, who were accepted into the U.S. Army in 2007, more than double the 249 accepted in 2006. According to the New York Times, between 2006 and 2007, those enrolled with convictions for wrongful possession of drugs (not including marijuana) almost doubled, for burglaries almost tripled, for grand larceny/larceny more than doubled, for robbery more than tripled, for aggravated assault went up by 30%, and for "terroristic threats including bomb threats" doubled (from one to two). Feel more secure yet?

    126: the number of dollars it took to buy a barrel of crude oil on the international market this week. Meanwhile, the average price of a gallon of regular gas at the pump in the U.S. hit $3.72, while the price of gas jumped almost 20 cents in Michigan in a week, 36 cents in Utah in a month, and busted the $4 ceiling in Westchester, New York, a rise of 65 cents in the last year. Just after the 9/11 attacks, a barrel of crude oil was still in the $20 range; at the time of the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, it was at about $30. In other words, since 9/11, a barrel of crude has risen more than $100 without the Bush administration taking any serious steps to promote energy conservation, cut down on the U.S. oil "addiction," or develop alternative energy strategies (beyond a dubious program to produce more ethanol).

    82: the percentage of Americans who think "things in this country… have gotten pretty seriously off on the wrong track," according to the most recent Washington Post-ABC News poll. This is the gloomiest Americans have been about the "direction" of the country in the last 15 years of such polling.

    40: the percentage loss ("on a trade-weighted basis") in the value of the dollar since 2001. The dollar's share of total world foreign exchange reserves has also dropped from 73% to 64% in that same period. According to the Center for American Progress, "By early May 2008, a dollar bought 42.9% fewer euros, 35.7% fewer Canadian dollars, 37.7% fewer British pounds, and 17.3% fewer Japanese yen than in March 2001."

    37: the number of countries that have experienced food protests or riots in recent months due to soaring food prices, a global crisis of insecurity that caught the Bush administration completely unprepared. In the last year, the price of wheat has risen by 130%, of rice by 74%, of soya by 87%, and of corn by 31%.

    0: the number of terrorist attacks by al-Qaeda or similar groups inside the United States since September 11, 2001.

    So consider "the homeland" secure. Mission accomplished.

    And if you doubt that, here's one last figure, representative of the ultimate insecurity that, by conscious omission as well as commission, the Bush administration has left a harried future to deal with: That number is 387: Scientists at the Mauna Loa observatory in Hawaii just released new information on carbon dioxide - the major greenhouse gas - in the atmosphere, and it's at a record high of 387 parts per million, "up almost 40% since the industrial revolution and the highest for at least the last 650,000 years."
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174932

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Re: Some Numbers
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2008, 09:04:54 AM »
    0: the number of terrorist attacks by al-Qaeda or similar groups inside the United States since September 11, 2001.

    So consider "the homeland" secure. Mission accomplished.

 

What's absurd about this is the same people who say there is no terrorism threat and cite the fact there have been no terrorist attacks as proof, will claim we failed to protect the American people, the government failed, etc. if there is another attack. 

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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2008, 09:29:27 AM »
What's absurd about this is the same people who say there is no terrorism threat and cite the fact there have been no terrorist attacks as proof, will claim we failed to protect the American people, the government failed, etc. if there is another attack. 
There are terrorist attacks all over the world.  Just not in the USA b/c of its locale and defensive safeguards.

There's no room for any mistakes in the defense of our country.

Our government did fail us on 9/11.

Dick Clark said so.

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Re: Some Numbers
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2008, 10:39:52 AM »
There are terrorist attacks all over the world.  Just not in the USA b/c of its locale and defensive safeguards.

There's no room for any mistakes in the defense of our country.

Our government did fail us on 9/11.

Dick Clark said so.

We've had several terrorist attacks on our soil, including the 93 WTC bombing, Oklahoma City bombing, 911, and anthrax.  (Some screwballs believe the U.S. government carried out all of these attacks.)

Using hindsight, yes our government failed us on 911.  In reality, we were brought to our knees by a brilliantly evil plot, likely years in the making. 

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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 10:43:04 AM »
The govt destroyed all their anthrax spores from Ft Detrick, MD, right after the attacks.

it's a shame, because those spores could have easily been used to match the anthrax used in the attacks.

it's also a shame that the only folks who were hit with anthrax were media and senators against the patriot act, plus the guy who pissed off bush in 00.

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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 10:49:18 AM »
We've had several terrorist attacks on our soil, including the 93 WTC bombing, Oklahoma City bombing, 911, and anthrax.  (Some screwballs believe the U.S. government carried out all of these attacks.)

Using hindsight, yes our government failed us on 911.  In reality, we were brought to our knees by a brilliantly evil plot, likely years in the making. 
The article references terrorist attacks since 2001.

It is not referring to the right wing, big government hating homegrown terrorists that came before.

I believe Dick Clarke when he says:

“The reason I am strident in my criticism of the president of the United States is because ... by invading Iraq, the president of the United States has greatly undermined the war on terrorism,” he said.

Oops, wrong quote:  “It was possible to make a very persuasive case that this was a major threat and this was an urgent problem,” Clarke said. But the Bush team “didn’t either believe me that there was an urgent problem or was unprepared to act as though there were an urgent problem.”

Sorry, the correct quote is around here somewhere...

The former counterterrorism chief in the Bush and Clinton White Houses apologized Wednesday to the families of the victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, saying, “Your government failed you.” But he placed the bulk of the blame on President Bush, accusing his administration of not making terrorism “an urgent issue.”

In contrast, the Clinton administration had “no higher priority,” said Richard Clarke
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4568982/

There it is.

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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2008, 10:58:41 AM »
Bush knew on Day #1 that Clinton did a shitty job with terrorism.

During those 9 months before 9/11, Bush only did ONE THING to stop terrorism.

During the summer, he changed the NORAD playbook so that ONLY Bush and Cheney could order shootdown of planes in US airspace.  He took this power form the Pentagon.

Seems odd, doesn't it?  Cheney admits he was in a bunker on 911, while Bush was reading to kids then giving a press conference.  Neither of them ordered the planes shot down, and NORAD / pentagon didn't have the power to do so.  It had been taken from them just weeks before 911.



Very odd.

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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2008, 11:08:50 AM »
The article references terrorist attacks since 2001.

It is not referring to the right wing, big government hating homegrown terrorists that came before.

I believe Dick Clarke when he says:

“The reason I am strident in my criticism of the president of the United States is because ... by invading Iraq, the president of the United States has greatly undermined the war on terrorism,” he said.

Oops, wrong quote:  “It was possible to make a very persuasive case that this was a major threat and this was an urgent problem,” Clarke said. But the Bush team “didn’t either believe me that there was an urgent problem or was unprepared to act as though there were an urgent problem.”

Sorry, the correct quote is around here somewhere...

The former counterterrorism chief in the Bush and Clinton White Houses apologized Wednesday to the families of the victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, saying, “Your government failed you.” But he placed the bulk of the blame on President Bush, accusing his administration of not making terrorism “an urgent issue.”

In contrast, the Clinton administration had “no higher priority,” said Richard Clarke
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4568982/

There it is.

There is what?  He can and anyone else can use hindsight all they want.  We were simply outsmarted by a small group of cunning terrorists. 

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Re: Some Numbers
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2008, 11:45:34 AM »
There is what?  He can and anyone else can use hindsight all they want.  We were simply outsmarted by a small group of cunning terrorists. 
By "we" you mean the Bush Administration? 

Dick Clarke did his best to warn them.  But the Bush people just didn't give terrorism the priority it deserved.

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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2008, 01:20:57 PM »
By "we" you mean the Bush Administration? 

Dick Clarke did his best to warn them.  But the Bush people just didn't give terrorism the priority it deserved.
Are you saying that 911 was solely the fault of the Bush Administration??? 

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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 01:51:01 PM »
Are you saying that 911 was solely the fault of the Bush Administration??? 
"Solely"....No but it played a big role in ignoring the terrorist threat...according to terrorism expert and insider Richard Clarke.

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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2008, 01:56:22 PM »
By "we" you mean the Bush Administration? 

Dick Clarke did his best to warn them.  But the Bush people just didn't give terrorism the priority it deserved.

By "we" I mean this country. 

Yes, this guy has great hindsight.  I'm sure he saw the entire 911 plan coming. . . .

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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2008, 02:09:31 PM »
By "we" I mean this country. 

Yes, this guy has great hindsight.  I'm sure he saw the entire 911 plan coming. . . .
Someone did:

Bin Laden determined to strike in US

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full-field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group or bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/

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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2008, 02:14:35 PM »
Someone did:

Bin Laden determined to strike in US

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full-field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group or bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/


Is this supposed to be some kind of smoking gun?  We didn't know they were going to coordinate the hijacking of planes with box cutters and fly them into buildings. 

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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2008, 02:16:17 PM »
509,000: the number of names found in 2007 on a "terrorist watch list" compiled by the FBI. No longer, in George Bush's America, is a 10 Most Wanted list adequate. According to ABC News, "U.S. lawmakers and their spouses have been detained because their names were on the watch list" and Saddam Hussein was on the list even when in U.S. custody. By February 2008, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, the names on the same FBI list had ballooned to 900,000.

Bullshit. Out of all the muslims we only have this many on the watch list, lol.

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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2008, 02:18:41 PM »
509,000: the number of names found in 2007 on a "terrorist watch list" compiled by the FBI. No longer, in George Bush's America, is a 10 Most Wanted list adequate. According to ABC News, "U.S. lawmakers and their spouses have been detained because their names were on the watch list" and Saddam Hussein was on the list even when in U.S. custody. By February 2008, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, the names on the same FBI list had ballooned to 900,000.

Bullshit. Out of all the muslims we only have this many on the watch list, lol.

There was also a gay indian guy who was featured on the Colbert Report who was on the list.   ;D

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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2008, 02:21:37 PM »
If the economy was booming and gas was 2 bucks nobody would care...still good post Decker. The Defense budget ain't getting smaller. We aren't leaving Europe and withing 10 years we'll have reorganized our military for war with China....I believe war with Iran is next...but don't quote me.
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Re: Some Numbers
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2008, 03:00:11 PM »
Someone did:
Bin Laden determined to strike in US

There are 19 pages of blacked out text in there.

Those 19 pages show bush was given details on attack.

You'll see ;)

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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2008, 04:19:48 PM »
I believe war with Iran is next...but don't quote me.

A sergeant major told me that about two years or so ago.  You think troops or just strikes, or both?   

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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2008, 06:26:20 PM »
I cant imagine being hated even more than we are.  But that will happen if we plot out a way to get Iran to take the bait.......china and russia will want our ass.   

Shit' even iraqi farmers are beating the shit out of us.  good job hh6 ::)

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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2008, 01:15:55 PM »
What's absurd about this is the same people who say there is no terrorism threat and cite the fact there have been no terrorist attacks as proof, will claim we failed to protect the American people, the government failed, etc. if there is another attack. 

How do we know that the Va Tech shooter wasn't acting in the name of radical Islam? 

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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2008, 01:34:14 PM »
How do we know that the Va Tech shooter wasn't acting in the name of radical Islam? 

Because he left a videotape (the equivalent of a suicide note) that didn't say anything about radical Islam and it has been documented that he had a history of psychological problems? 

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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2008, 01:59:18 PM »
Is this supposed to be some kind of smoking gun?  We didn't know they were going to coordinate the hijacking of planes with box cutters and fly them into buildings. 
"...the 9-11 Commission report documented, such a "possibility was imaginable, and imagined," citing an August 1999 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Civil Aviation Security intelligence office report that warned on the potential of a "suicide hijacking operation," and that the North American Aerospace Defense Command had "developed exercises to counter such a threat." The commission reported that an August 6, 2001, Presidential Daily Briefing entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.," which was received by Bush, stated that although the FBI had "not been able to corroborate" a 1998 report that Osama bin Laden was seeking to "hijack a US aircraft," "FBI information since that time indicate[d] patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200409240007

And for a human touch:  "How is it possible we have a national security advisor coming out and saying we had no idea they could use planes as weapons when we had FBI records from 1991 stating that this is a possibility," said Kristen Breitweiser, one of four New Jersey widows who lobbied Congress and the president to appoint the commission.

9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable
Head Of Sept. 11 Panel Lays Blame Inside Bush Administration
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/eveningnews/main589137.shtml

I don't blame you for listening to Condi Rice when she lied about "no one could have predicted 9/11..."

But I do blame you if you stick to that obvious falsehood.

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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2008, 03:30:21 PM »
"...the 9-11 Commission report documented, such a "possibility was imaginable, and imagined," citing an August 1999 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Civil Aviation Security intelligence office report that warned on the potential of a "suicide hijacking operation," and that the North American Aerospace Defense Command had "developed exercises to counter such a threat." The commission reported that an August 6, 2001, Presidential Daily Briefing entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.," which was received by Bush, stated that although the FBI had "not been able to corroborate" a 1998 report that Osama bin Laden was seeking to "hijack a US aircraft," "FBI information since that time indicate[d] patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200409240007

And for a human touch:  "How is it possible we have a national security advisor coming out and saying we had no idea they could use planes as weapons when we had FBI records from 1991 stating that this is a possibility," said Kristen Breitweiser, one of four New Jersey widows who lobbied Congress and the president to appoint the commission.

9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable
Head Of Sept. 11 Panel Lays Blame Inside Bush Administration
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/eveningnews/main589137.shtml

I don't blame you for listening to Condi Rice when she lied about "no one could have predicted 9/11..."

But I do blame you if you stick to that obvious falsehood.

Are you kidding?  Pure hindsight.  They couldn't corroborate a report from 1998.  They had reports of suspicious activity.  What they didn't have was sufficient evidence to predict and prevent the coordinated hijacking of planes by foreign terrorists with box cutters who would fly them into buildings.  Your quotes don't establish that at all.  There ain't no smoking gun. 

You're not in line with those conspiracy crackpots are you?   

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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2008, 03:38:08 PM »
Because he left a videotape (the equivalent of a suicide note) that didn't say anything about radical Islam and it has been documented that he had a history of psychological problems? 

And the investigation stopped there?