GYNO help

[mopar_freak]

3 part question about GYNO
if you have it removed, will it come back ever??
how much$$$ is it to get it removed from both nipples?
and if gyno is the ONLY side effect I get  from gear ,dose that mean I wont have to use Novadex duing my cycle and only us clomid as a PTC?

[Big_Tymer]

if you have the glands removed by surgery it cant come back.  As far as cost goes ive heard anything from 800-3000 US.  Some guy on here got his medical insurrance to pay for his gyno removal, try finding him in a search for how he did it.  I would still use nolva and clomid for pct once the glands are removed.

[OTHstrong]

if you have the glands removed by surgery it cant come back.  As far as cost goes ive heard anything from 800-3000 US.  Some guy on here got his medical insurrance to pay for his gyno removal, try finding him in a search for how he did it.  I would still use nolva and clomid for pct once the glands are removed.

Incorrect, Incorrect, and Incorrect, It can so come back; Although the Glandular tissue is removed it can still grow back because it is impossible for the surgeon to remove 100% tissue, but you wouldn't have to worry for several year(4-10), depending on the individual and depending on what he does.

The cost is 5000 dollers minimium and it has to be done by a plastic surgeon.

I've only heard of one case out of a thousand that thier insurance has covered it, so forget about that.

[Big_Tymer]

taken from cosmetic md:

Conditions that may imitate gynecomastia recurrences but are not related to glandular tissue may include the following:

A. Initial edema swelling for the first few months after surgery

B. Weight gain

C. Scar tissue

If the gland is totally removed, it cannot come back.  Now there may be a small amount of tissue left, but with the gland gone it cant grow.  And I was just reading a thread on outlaw a few weeks ago about people describing their gyno surgery, most of them said the cost was 1.5-3k and a few had their insurrance cover it so i dont know where your 1/1000 odds came from.  If your doc will write your insurrance company a letter describing the need of the surgery it shouldnt be a problem as long as he lets them know its not for cosmetic reasons.

[candidizzle]

taken from cosmetic md:

Conditions that may imitate gynecomastia recurrences but are not related to glandular tissue may include the following:

A. Initial edema swelling for the first few months after surgery

B. Weight gain

C. Scar tissue

If the gland is totally removed, it cannot come back.  Now there may be a small amount of tissue left, but with the gland gone it cant grow.  And I was just reading a thread on outlaw a few weeks ago about people describing their gyno surgery, most of them said the cost was 1.5-3k and a few had their insurrance cover it so i dont know where your 1/1000 odds came from.  If your doc will write your insurrance company a letter describing the need of the surgery it shouldnt be a problem as long as he lets them know its not for cosmetic reasons.

shoot my dad works fpor the state and has great medical covergae and im on it for like another 4 years so im gonnna try that

[Big_Tymer]

more from cosmetic md

Bodybuilders, as opposed to overweight persons, have real breast tissue. To prevent recurrence (10% in the literature) of gynecomastia, most of the breast tissue should be removed. In some cases when not enough breast tissue is removed, recurrence is more likely. In many cases, this “so-called recurrence” is actually the lack of adequate excision.

So basically if recurrence happens, is actually due to error of the surgeon and not physiological causes.

[OTHstrong]

more from cosmetic md

Bodybuilders, as opposed to overweight persons, have real breast tissue. To prevent recurrence (10% in the literature) of gynecomastia, most of the breast tissue should be removed. In some cases when not enough breast tissue is removed, recurrence is more likely. In many cases, this “so-called recurrence” is actually the lack of adequate excision.

So basically if recurrence happens, is actually due to error of the surgeon and not physiological causes.

Bro this is the real world, you can quote this and that all you want. Gynocamastia surgery is 5 big one, no matter were you go. The first thing the surgeon tells you during the consultation is that there is a chance it comes back. Clearly you don't know what your talking about. Rich Gaspari got it removed three time during his career. I went with my friend 2 weeks ago to get his Gyno remove( he is a national level competitor). The precedure went like this....

They put him out at 1 pm

at 2 liposuction was preformed with 2 incisions under his armpits for his entire pectoralis region.

at 3 they opened his nipples to removed the mammery glands and they closed him up; was released by 5 30 and how to stay in the nearest hotel for the following 24 hours.

The first thing the doctor said was "I have extremely good news for you, I was able to remove about 98% of your glanduler tissue.
My friend asked if he has seen the same bodybuilder twice before and he said there  has been a few repeat cases and that has nothing to do with the surgery going wrong, but rather because bodybuilders are extreme with thier steroid intak. Ultimately you just have to pray that it doesn't comeback, but at worst it wont come back for several years so who cares.
The plastic surgery clinic, Dr Lista Mississauga Ont. BTW he has preformed over 250 Gynocamastia surgeries and hasn't seen a case that insurance has paid not even once. Anyway I know what I am talking about so if anybody wants more info then PM me./

[Mega Man]

3 part question about GYNO
if you have it removed, will it come back ever??
how much$$$ is it to get it removed from both nipples?
and if gyno is the ONLY side effect I get  from gear ,dose that mean I wont have to use Novadex duing my cycle and only us clomid as a PTC?

I just want to comment about the PCT Question......nolvadex is used over clomid during pct not because of gyno, but because it works better than clomid as far as results vs $$$ cost ratio. Nolvadex increased natural test levels at 20 mgs  and for clomid to be as effective, you would need 150 mg's of clomid which is 3 pills at 50mg's per pill. So even if they work equal at bringing back test levels.....nolvadex does cheaper.

Also clomid cause some sides in some, like mood swings and blurred vision. Not all but some.

So because nolvadex is more cost effective than clomid, and has less sides than clomid....many prefer it over clomid for pct.

However others say they have a much smoother pct when they use clomid instead....I guess it's just a preference thing.

[Emmortal]

I just want to comment about the PCT Question......nolvadex is used over clomid during pct not because of gyno, but because it works better than clomid as far as results vs $$$ cost ratio. Nolvadex increased natural test levels at 20 mgs  and for clomid to be as effective, you would need 150 mg's of clomid which is 3 pills at 50mg's per pill. So even if they work equal at bringing back test levels.....nolvadex does cheaper.

Also clomid cause some sides in some, like mood swings and blurred vision. Not all but some.

So because nolvadex is more cost effective than clomid, and has less sides than clomid....many prefer it over clomid for pct.

However others say they have a much smoother pct when they use clomid instead....I guess it's just a preference thing.

I've only seen 1 study showing Nolva increasing test levels, I have seen MANY studies showing a dose as small as 25mgs of Clomid ED increasing test levels to the 600 range.  Sides for Clomid only occur at higher doses which really there's no need to run at 100mgs+.

As far as the gyno question goes.  I do recall reading something about the breast cancer act of 1997? that should allow cost of gyno surgery to be covered by insurance.  Some of the MD's might want to chime in on that, but it does cover men as well.  I've seen the range of cost anywhere between 3,000-5,000$.

[rccs]

As far as I recall nolva was first used to prevent and treat gyno, and after it was used to help recover natural test, even at 10-20mg per day.

[chixlegs]

Incorrect, Incorrect, and Incorrect, It can so come back; Although the Glandular tissue is removed it can still grow back because it is impossible for the surgeon to remove 100% tissue, but you wouldn't have to worry for several year(4-10), depending on the individual and depending on what he does.

The cost is 5000 dollers minimium and it has to be done by a plastic surgeon.

I've only heard of one case out of a thousand that thier insurance has covered it, so forget about that.

I had the surgery done and my health insurance covered it with no issue.  It wasn't a plastic surgeon either that did it, but rather a general surgeon.  He did a good job.  Not sure what the cost was, I didn't pay anything.  It never came back, but i never used 'roids again either.

[OTHstrong]

I had the surgery done and my health insurance covered it with no issue.  It wasn't a plastic surgeon either that did it, but rather a general surgeon.  He did a good job.  Not sure what the cost was, I didn't pay anything.  It never came back, but i never used 'roids again either.

you are a lucky man

[Slintowin4424]

Incorrect, Incorrect, and Incorrect, It can so come back; Although the Glandular tissue is removed it can still grow back because it is impossible for the surgeon to remove 100% tissue, but you wouldn't have to worry for several year(4-10), depending on the individual and depending on what he does.

The cost is 5000 dollers minimium and it has to be done by a plastic surgeon.

I've only heard of one case out of a thousand that thier insurance has covered it, so forget about that.

No way does it cost that much insurance will cover it

[jtsunami]

Dr blau is the man to see, you don't need to worry about nolva after you get it removed, if it comes back he will remove it free.

He hasn't had any cases as far as I know come back he is the goto man for gyno.

nolva and all that doesn't really help if you are already prone to getting gyno, you will get gyno if you are prone to it no matter what ai's or anti e's you take.

jt

[bassmaster]

i think we all agree f gyno.