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I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« on: May 19, 2008, 06:15:16 PM »
Seriously, all sarcasm aside.

First he says something to the effect that capital gains should be raised because it's fair, then he's talking about not driving an SUV (which i own one, but just bought a new car.....v-6 sweet 19 mpg....lol), not setting the AC to 72, and not eating as much as i want.


If this guy is going to act like my mother he can go fuck himself.  I already have a mom, and she's the only one who gets to tell me that.

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2008, 06:22:57 PM »
lol.   :)  Ozmo has seen the light. 

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2008, 06:25:17 PM »
Yeah well I'm not all that high on McCain either.  And his wife reminds me of Cruella Deville.

I can imagine him giving us a economic stimulus check to the tune of 1 dollar for every year of my age.

And hillary can.....   well any can fill the blank on that one.


We will see, when it's down to the actual race. 

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2008, 06:27:09 PM »
Do you think that perhaps his premise is just to make you think a little bit more about what it is that you're doing?

I agree, no one needs another mother, but let's be honest... Someone reminding you about things isn't necessarily a bad thing is it?


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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2008, 06:27:52 PM »
I'm not crazy about McCain either, but he's a better candidate than Obama IMO.  If you own stock, make more than $150k a year, own a business, or are a consumer, which covers just about everyone, he is simply bad news.  

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2008, 06:30:12 PM »
Do you think that perhaps his premise is just to make you think a little bit more about what it is that you're doing?

I agree, no one needs another mother, but let's be honest... Someone reminding you about things isn't necessarily a bad thing is it?



The point is, it's my decision to make.  We have enough of government telling us what we can and cannot say or do.  It's not a decisive issue for me regarding him.  It just reminds of how all the candidates are lacking especially if your vote will likely be cast to prevent someone from being in office rather than to elect someone to office.

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2008, 06:32:04 PM »
I'm not crazy about McCain either, but he's a better candidate than Obama IMO.  If you own stock, make more than $150k a year, own a business, or are a consumer, which covers just about everyone, he is simply bad news.  

What about being a consumer is better about McCain? Or even owning Stock... I'm really interested.

Do those good points make it better when the idea of putting a Trillion dollars into Iraq?

I'm concerned about the idea that taxes are "bad". I thought they were necessary and the only way we can:

1. Get out of Debt.
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2. Raise the value of the dollar.

What makes you think that McCain has a better understanding about the economy than Obama?

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2008, 06:32:23 PM »
I'm not crazy about McCain either, but he's a better candidate than Obama IMO.  If you own stock, make more than $150k a year, own a business, or are a consumer, which covers just about everyone, he is simply bad news.  

Looks to me that we might go from one bad extreme to another.   :(



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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2008, 06:33:46 PM »
The point is, it's my decision to make.  We have enough of government telling us what we can and cannot say or do.  It's not a decisive issue for me regarding him.  It just reminds of how all the candidates are lacking especially if your vote will likely be cast to prevent someone from being in office rather than to elect someone to office.

That's like saying that the government should be able to tell you how to drive or wear a seat belt, which they certainly do.

If driving is inherently a "privilege", than all things going along with it are privileges as well... You are paying for the privilege of driving or owning that vehicle.

I still say it's much more about making you think before you act... which is generally a good thing.

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2008, 06:42:06 PM »
Better to choose the man who will borrow money from chinese using our roads as collateral, give the $ to corporations and war machine, and possibly crash the dollar.

Do you know how much it will cost to fill up that SUV when mcCain jokingly bombs iran and the gulf closes?  yikes...

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2008, 06:44:39 PM »
What about being a consumer is better about McCain? Or even owning Stock... I'm really interested.

Do those good points make it better when the idea of putting a Trillion dollars into Iraq?

I'm concerned about the idea that taxes are "bad". I thought they were necessary and the only way we can:

1. Get out of Debt.
and
2. Raise the value of the dollar.

What makes you think that McCain has a better understanding about the economy than Obama?

Regarding your questions:

1.  Obama is bad for anyone who owns stock, because he wants to raise capital gains taxes.  Millions of Americans own stock.  

2.  Obama is bad for consumers, because he wants to increase the cost of doing business by, among other things, raises taxes on business.  When the government increases the cost of doing business, business passes that cost along to consumers.  

3.  I think McCain has a better understanding of the economy than Obama from this standpoint:  he understands that you don't raise taxes and/or increase the cost of doing business as a means to help consumers.  That just doesn't work.  He also understands that we need to cut taxes and reduce spending, while Obama is focused on class warfare.  

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2008, 06:52:57 PM »

Blah...blah...blah... more bullshit from gramps.

Apparently gramps knows more than all the business gurus who support Obama.

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2008, 06:54:30 PM »
Regarding your questions:

1.  Obama is bad for anyone who owns stock, because he wants to raise capital gains taxes.  Millions of Americans own stock.  

2.  Obama is bad for consumers, because he wants to increase the cost of doing business by, among other things, raises taxes on business.  When the government increases the cost of doing business, business passes that cost along to consumers.  

3.  I think McCain has a better understanding of the economy than Obama from this standpoint:  he understands that you don't raise taxes and/or increase the cost of doing business as a means to help consumers.  That just doesn't work.  He also understands that we need to cut taxes and reduce spending, while Obama is focused on class warfare.  

I disagree with your points.

1. I own stock... and I when I sell, I simply have to pay taxes on it... I don't like taxes, but I understand that they are a requirement.

2. The cost of doing business should be raised... as a matter of fact, it should be raised for companies who do business outside of the US with regards to labor and yet receive the tax benefits of being a US company.


3. I disagree... The number one thing that the government should be focused on is raising the value of the US dollar and the number 2 thing should be to raise the GDP of this country.

The way to do that is to penalize companies for using overseas labor and to get us out of debt, which is what taxes will accomplish.

As a person who owns stock, I would much rather see ME get taxed and get rid of the debt, than to force that off on my children.

Do you want your children to have to pay for the mistakes you made?

You also know that most Americans do not make anywhere close to 150K a year right?

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2008, 06:55:34 PM »
I disagree with your points.

1. I own stock... and I when I sell, I simply have to pay taxes on it... I don't like taxes, but I understand that they are a requirement.

2. The cost of doing business should be raised... as a matter of fact, it should be raised for companies who do business outside of the US with regards to labor and yet receive the tax benefits of being a US company.


3. I disagree... The number thing that the government should be focused on is raising the value of the US dollar and the number 2 thing should be to raise the GDP of this country.

The way to do that is to penalize companies for using overseas labor and to get us out of debt, which is what taxes will accomplish.

As a person who owns stock, I would much rather see ME get taxed and get rid of the debt, than to force that off on my children.

Do you want your children to have to pay for the mistakes you made?




Good post.

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2008, 06:56:54 PM »
I agree tu holmes id much rather see you get taxed 25% (Obama) then me get taxed on it. haha  ::) 25% why so much when their is plenty of pie to go around.

Good post.

good contribution to the thread

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2008, 06:58:24 PM »


3.  I think McCain has a better understanding of the economy than Obama from this standpoint:  he understands that you don't raise taxes and/or increase the cost of doing business as a means to help consumers.  That just doesn't work.  He also understands that we need to cut taxes and reduce spending, while Obama is focused on class warfare.  

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2008, 06:58:41 PM »
I agree tu holmes id much rather see you get taxed 25% (Obama) then me get taxed on it. haha  ::) 25% why so much when their is plenty of pie to go around.

good contribution to the thread

I'm sure you would... but I would certainly not want my kids to have to deal with a debt that they didn't create.

Hell, I didn't create most of this one, but I'm willing to do what it takes to get rid of it and start a trend of fiscal responsibility in our government.

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2008, 06:58:49 PM »
Beach bum doesn't believe the borrowing of the last 4.5 years is dangerous.
Before you argue with him, think about that.

Beach Bum believes we should be in 2 more wars right now because of what their leaders said.
Before you argue with him, think about that.

Beach Bum doesn't understand how 'no more oil from the middle east' will affect us.
Before you argue with him, think about that.



He's a child.  He comes here for advices.

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2008, 06:59:33 PM »

good contribution to the thread

In Makaveli's The Prince he talks how about the ruler should use his power. Clerely your philosopy needs brushing up. If all exist for the one, thne the wun is all.



Is that better?  ::)

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2008, 07:00:25 PM »


The way to do that is to penalize companies for using overseas labor and to get us out of debt, which is what taxes will accomplish.





Will never happen.

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2008, 07:00:42 PM »
In Makaveli's The Prince he talks how about the ruler should use his power. Clerely your philosopy needs brushing up. If all exist for the one, thne the wun is all.



Is that better?  ::)


I doubt you read the whole thing, or even understand any of the underlying themes lol.

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2008, 07:01:22 PM »
Will never happen.

Perhaps not... but to say it will not is not quite true... It has happened before and CAN happen again.

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2008, 07:02:47 PM »

I doubt you read the whole thing, or even understand any of the underlying themes lol.

I could not care less about the Prince. i was just satirizing your posting style, but apparently satire is lost on you.

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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2008, 07:15:07 PM »
Perhaps not... but to say it will not is not quite true... It has happened before and CAN happen again.

If the money supply is outnumbered by the debt to the level that it is now, can it be possible to ever pay off the debt, especially at the rate of spending compared to saving?

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Re: I'm really starting not to like Obama.
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2008, 07:17:26 PM »
If the money supply is outnumbered by the debt to the level that it is now, can it be possible to ever pay off the debt, especially at the rate of spending compared to saving?



If we fire the IRS and Fed treasury that will free up the money in 3 days!!!! ;D