Author Topic: Ex CIA Director explains Al Quada's motivation (Read 6155 times)

Bindare_Dundat · « **on:** May 24, 2008, 10:49:27 PM »

Micheal Sheuer was former head of CIA Bin Laden unit.

MB_722 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 24, 2008, 10:58:08 PM »

great video

MB_722 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 24, 2008, 11:03:45 PM »

Head of CIA's OBL: Michael Scheuer: Candidates Are Clueless

powerpack · « **Reply #3 on:** May 24, 2008, 11:10:13 PM »

Interesting

MB_722 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 24, 2008, 11:25:27 PM »

I'm watching/listening this right now. It's an hour long. Very interesting! first 10 minutes is an introduction.

Conversations With History - Michael Scheuer

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U.S. Foreign Policy and the Terrorist Threat

Michael Scheuer, former Chief of the CIA bin Laden unit

Conversations host Harry Kreisler welcomes Michael Scheuer, a 20 year veteran of the CIA, who in the 1990's headed the search for Osama Bin Laden and the rendition program to imprison jihadists. Scheuer discusses the career of Osama bin Laden, the origins of the rendition program, and the failure of the US foreign policy elite to understand the challenges posed by jihadist terrorism.

Recorded March 12, 2008

Quickerblade · « **Reply #5 on:** May 25, 2008, 12:11:52 AM »

May 1998: a plan to capture bin Laden at his compound south of Kandahar, canceled at the last minute (see May 29, 1998).
September 1998: a capture opportunity north of Kandahar, presumably by Afghan tribals working for the CIA (see September-October 1998).
December 1998: canceled US missile strike on the governor’s palace in Kandahar (see December 18-20, 1998).
February 1999: Military attack opportunity on governor’s residence in Herat (see February 1999).
February 1999: Multiple military attack opportunities at a hunting camp near Kandahar attended by United Arab Emirates royals (see February 11, 1999).
May 1999: Military attack opportunities on five consecutive nights in Kandahar (see May 1999).
August 1998, there is one failed attempt to kill bin Laden.(see August 20, 1998) [Atlantic Monthly, 12/2004; Scheuer, 2008, pp. 284]

Benny B · « **Reply #6 on:** May 25, 2008, 12:27:14 AM »

Quote from: Bindare_Dundat on May 24, 2008, 10:49:27 PM

Micheal Sheuer was former head of CIA Bin Laden unit.

He's absolutely correct, but he's not saying anything new. I've been seeing this same guy giving this same basic message for years now. I remember him on 60 Minutes probably two plus years ago telling us what an idiot Bush was regarding his Bin Laden strategy. Clinton blew it too, but you have to remember what America was like in the 90's. Except for those of us like myself who were foreign policy and current events junkies, most Americans did not know who Bin Laden was. When Clinton launched the strike against him in the Sudan that failed, people accused him of "wagging the dog", ie., using a military attack to take the focus off the moronic Monica Lewinsky scandal that was taking up much of his focus instead of more important matters. Had he continued to launch strikes at a terrorist most Americans didn't know much about or care about prior to 9-11, Clinton would have continued to have been accused of trying to divert attention away from Ken Starr and his sex scandal witch hunt.

MB_722 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 25, 2008, 12:45:35 AM »

blame NeoCons for making a big deal out of it.

now bush and cheney should be in prison. Democrats won't do anything.

Bindare_Dundat · « **Reply #8 on:** May 25, 2008, 05:11:04 AM »

Quote from: MB_722 on May 25, 2008, 12:45:35 AM

blame NeoCons for making a big deal out of it.

now bush and cheney should be in prison. Democrats won't do anything.

exactly

War-Horse · « **Reply #9 on:** May 25, 2008, 10:51:53 AM »

Quote from: MB_722 on May 25, 2008, 12:45:35 AM

blame NeoCons for making a big deal out of it.

now bush and cheney should be in prison. Democrats won't do anything.

I seriously cant figure this out......all the 9/11 questions, all the bin laden escapes, the dollar being forced to dump........WTF is going on???

Bindare_Dundat · « **Reply #10 on:** May 25, 2008, 11:32:33 AM »

Please HH6 or BB tell us this guy doesnt know what he's talking about. Please inform us of whats really going on in Iraq because the head of the Bin Laden unit seems to be talking the same jibberish we keep trying to drill into your heads.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #11 on:** May 25, 2008, 05:15:10 PM »

Funny..I don't disagree with anything that guy said..not a word. Well ok, maybe the Israel thing..they're in the way as well, from allowing these nutbags to kill each other.
He mentioned nothing about Iraq. he said oil. I wish we could pull out of the Gulf and let them all strarve to death. U idiots talk about pulling out of Iraq, how we're loosing, how P4's strategy isn't working. All crap u guys have zero clue about, zero militray experience to draw from. This guy is talking about stuff we can't do a whole lot about. I don't know know how many times I've posted how the continued support of SA is a bad idea...I wonder where I got that from..maybe from his book which i own. That book came out in 04 anyway. Things on the ground have changed.

youandme · « **Reply #12 on:** May 25, 2008, 06:10:33 PM »

It is pretty amazing how people want to pull out of Iraq, then some of the quacks find out that Clinton was fighting and funding a war against terrorism in the middle east the whole time while in office against the same guys were now killing.

peace in the middle east is right around the corner

if you believe that, then you must think the koran teaches love

Bindare_Dundat · « **Reply #13 on:** May 25, 2008, 06:29:00 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on May 25, 2008, 05:15:10 PM

Funny..I don't disagree with anything that guy said..not a word. Well ok, maybe the Israel thing..they're in the way as well, from allowing these nutbags to kill each other.
He mentioned nothing about Iraq. he said oil. I wish we could pull out of the Gulf and let them all strarve to death. U idiots talk about pulling out of Iraq, how we're loosing, how P4's strategy isn't working. All crap u guys have zero clue about, zero militray experience to draw from. This guy is talking about stuff we can't do a whole lot about. I don't know know how many times I've posted how the continued support of SA is a bad idea...I wonder where I got that from..maybe from his book which i own. That book came out in 04 anyway. Things on the ground have changed.

He said Americans are not wanted in the region at all, period. He said pulling out of the area would take the heat off of America which isnt who these people have a beef with in the firt place if we only left.

Now your gonna tell us that you know more about the situation than the head of CIA Bin Laden unit and that interview wasnt in 04 it was more recent so Im sure he has a grasp oof what is going on, just like you do.

You live on a on another planet. Logic keeps escaping you.

Deicide · « **Reply #14 on:** May 25, 2008, 06:34:21 PM »

Quote from: Bindare_Dundat on May 25, 2008, 06:29:00 PM

He said Americans are not wanted in the region at all, period. He said pulling out of the area would take the heat off of America which isnt who these people have a beef with in the firt place if we only left.

Now your gonna tell us that you know more about the situation than the head of CIA Bin Laden unit and that interview wasnt in 04 it was more recent so Im sure he has a grasp oof what is going on, just like you do. You live on a on another planet. Logic keeps escaping you.

It took place in March 2008; his most recent book came out towards the end of 2007 I believe.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #15 on:** May 26, 2008, 08:37:51 AM »

Quote from: Bindare_Dundat on May 25, 2008, 06:29:00 PM

He said Americans are not wanted in the region at all, period. He said pulling out of the area would take the heat off of America which isnt who these people have a beef with in the firt place if we only left.

Now your gonna tell us that you know more about the situation than the head of CIA Bin Laden unit and that interview wasnt in 04 it was more recent so Im sure he has a grasp oof what is going on, just like you do. You live on a on another planet. Logic keeps escaping you.

Lets review my post for those who don't speak enguish or english...I agree with the guy. His book came out in 2004. Much of what he said in this interview can be tied to that book. I mentioned that idiots like u have no grasp of whats going on..U have no military background to draw from...u get ur info from this and then become a COIN expert.

Wrong..ur an idiot.

Slapper · « **Reply #16 on:** May 26, 2008, 10:33:31 AM »

Well, although I hate to be on the side of HH6 on this one, I must say that getting out of the region will not stop terrorism (if that is indeed the goal). Look at Spain and what happened in Madrid in 2004. The reaction, politicaly, was: PP party voted out and the PS party voted in. Needless to say that the PS party ran their entire campaign on getting out of Iraq, which won them the presidency. Zapatero was voted in and one of the first things he did was to get the troops out.

Did this stop terrorism? At face value, yes. Are muslims in Spain still planning terrorist acts against Spaniards. You betcha! Hence getting out of the area will not stop terrorism, at least in the short run. Getting the fuck out is necesary so that these jihadi motherfuckers can chop heads off in their own countries and sew their women's labia majora if they want to (you know, the good work of allah).

My advice is that if they come here after we get out, a warning will be given to Afganis, Egiptians and all these societies that harbor these idiotic hateful feelings toward non-muslims. If they do not fight these people internally... let's just say that the next shock-n-awe will include the use of nukes... on a large scale.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #17 on:** May 26, 2008, 02:03:56 PM »

Well I guess i have to agree with slapper..hell is freezing over. The last bit u mnetioned about nukes etc. There is a rumor or story etc going around since the Wall fell that we have made it clear to those in the Middle East that should one of their little nutbags get nukes and hit one of our cities...our response will be large...nuclear and won't discriminate. A new version of MAD.

youandme · « **Reply #18 on:** May 26, 2008, 02:27:12 PM »

yeah right if that were to happen Obama would try to talk to them (if he were to be in office)

hey guys quit shootin knukes, mmm k

CQ · « **Reply #19 on:** May 26, 2008, 02:45:52 PM »

Can anyone give me a comparison figure - the amount of Americans dead in attacks - Cole, 9/11 etc vs the amount of foreign nationals killed by Americans please?

youandme · « **Reply #20 on:** May 26, 2008, 02:53:54 PM »

wtf? how can you compare another life to....nevermind

CQ · « **Reply #21 on:** May 26, 2008, 02:59:49 PM »

Its a rational question to any rational person.

I have seen pics [on here] of dead kids etc. I am quite sure no one, but real creeps, think babies deserve to die.

I am asking for an informed person to tell the the numbers. I go to 10 sites, I get 10 different numbers, so am interested in anothers perspective.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #22 on:** May 26, 2008, 03:04:54 PM »

Quote from: CQ on May 26, 2008, 02:59:49 PM

Its a rational question to any rational person.

I have seen pics [on here] of dead kids etc. I am quite sure no one, but real creeps, think babies deserve to die.

I am asking for an informed person to tell the the numbers. I go to 10 sites, I get 10 different numbers, so am interested in anothers perspective.

I think the reason you might be getting different numbers is there probably isn’t a reliable number out there, particularly if you're talking about civilians killed in the Iraq war. Insurgents are the ones blowing up women and children.

Quickerblade · « **Reply #23 on:** May 26, 2008, 04:11:14 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on May 26, 2008, 03:04:54 PM

I think the reason you might be getting different numbers is there probably isn’t a reliable number out there, particularly if you're talking about civilians killed in the Iraq war. Insurgents are the ones blowing up women and children.

insurgents are fucking up everythings, the truth is, no matter what happens the middle east will be a hell hole, as soon as the US leaves it will pop off, its just tit for tat, and its a shame.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #24 on:** May 26, 2008, 04:33:07 PM »

Quote from: Quickerblade on May 26, 2008, 04:11:14 PM

insurgents are fucking up everythings, the truth is, no matter what happens the middle east will be a hell hole, as soon as the US leaves it will pop off, its just tit for tat, and its a shame.

You're probably right. Those folks will probably always be fighting with each other.