Ex CIA Director explains Al Quada's motivation

[Quickerblade]

You're probably right.  Those folks will probably always be fighting with each other. 

you know what, i don't want to say I'm a expert but I'm from a Lebanese background, but the middle east is cursed, it has hatred that has enough fuel to burn for another 1000 years, it wont stop, so when i say "Get the troops out of Iraq" I'm saying it cause i dont want 18 yr old kids dying for some shit thats not going to stop..I'm glad he volunteered to serve his country, but to die in Iraq is not the way a soldier should die, no disrespect to the 4000 that have died, and may god bless each one of them, whether troops are there or not, it wont get better.

 

[Bindare_Dundat]

Lets review my post for those who don't speak enguish or english...I agree with the guy. His book came out in 2004. Much of what he said in this interview can be tied to that book. I mentioned that idiots like u have no grasp of whats going on..U have no military background to draw from...u get ur info from this and then become a COIN expert. Wrong..ur an idiot.

You said you agree with everything he said but then you say you disagree on the Isreal  issue and  you disagree on pulling out of the region which are his main points for why we are having trouble "winning this war".

Sorry, I'll take his word over yours any day of the week.

[Deicide]

Lets review my post for those who don't speak enguish or english...I agree with the guy. His book came out in 2004. Much of what he said in this interview can be tied to that book. I mentioned that idiots like u have no grasp of whats going on..U have no military background to draw from...u get ur info from this and then become a COIN expert. Wrong..ur an idiot.

Pay attention Mr. Machine Gun;

http://www.amazon.com/Marching-Toward-Hell-America-Islam/dp/0743299698/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211853332&sr=8-1

Hardcover: 384 pages
Publisher: Free Press; 1 edition (February 12, 2008)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0743299698
ISBN-13: 978-0743299695

The latest book and the one he talked about came out earlier this year.

[youandme]

umm he had one come out in 2004 "Imperial Hubris" or something.

[Deicide]

umm he had one come out in 2004 "Imperial Hubris" or something.

Yes hhe did but all the interviewers are talking about his 2008 book.

[headhuntersix]

Pay attention Mr. Machine Gun;

http://www.amazon.com/Marching-Toward-Hell-America-Islam/dp/0743299698/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211853332&sr=8-1

Hardcover: 384 pages
Publisher: Free Press; 1 edition (February 12, 2008)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0743299698
ISBN-13: 978-0743299695

The latest book and the one he talked about came out earlier this year.

I was talking about the 2004 book, most of  the shit he said in the book was in the interview. Ur splitting hairs.

[bigdumbbell]

when was he director?  i dont remember him...

[Bindare_Dundat]

when was he director?  i dont remember him...

watch this it'll tell you when

http://fora.tv/2008/04/21/America_and_Islam_After_Iraq_with_Michael_Scheuer

[bigdumbbell]

watch this it'll tell you when

http://fora.tv/2008/04/21/America_and_Islam_After_Iraq_with_Michael_Scheuer

k   saved it...i'll view in morning. i've heard him before very interesting. he must have left when george tenant was running the agency into the ditch.  poor george, i saw him a few weeks ago...he weighs about 300 lbs and makes his wife drive because he's afraid of being shot at.  he worries so much he's gonna have a heart attack.  we call him mr slamdunk

[Deicide]

I was talking about the 2004 book, most of  the shit he said in the book was in the interview. Ur splitting hairs.

I am not splitting hairs. You claimed it was old stuff and the book that is being referenced came out this year; you were the one splitting hairs. You essentially claim the man is talking out of his arse, which is ludicrous and thus far you have only given the 'soldier following orders' bit in your defence of current policies. SS soldiers did much the same thing during the Nuremburg trials. You continue to believe the American Empire can go on forever; I ask myself why you think that is the case?

[headhuntersix]

I never said he was taliking out his ass..please show me my quote where I say that. His info and themes from that FOX interview can be found in his 2004 book. After which I stated things on the ground in Iraq have gotten better. The central argument of leaving the Middle East, as stated by this guy, is still valid, getting off oil, is still valid, regardless of events in Iraq. My argument on iraq is u cannot leave until we create a stable government that can defend itself, and can maintain internal security. US Soldiers are not committing war crimes, we're not SS troops. Dragging out Nuremberg is ridiculous. I saids I don't make policy as in, it was not my choice to invade, however I could care less about invading or not invading, Bush said go, so we went. In hindsight it was a poorly thoughtout operation after the initial invasion.

[Deicide]

I never said he was taliking out his ass..please show me my quote where I say that. His info and themes from that FOX interview can be found in his 2004 book. After which I stated things on the ground in Iraq have gotten better. The central argument of leaving the Middle East, as stated by this guy, is still valid, getting off oil, is still valid, regardless of events in Iraq. My argument on iraq is u cannot leave until we create a stable government that can defend itself, and can maintain internal security. US Soldiers are not committing war crimes, we're not SS troops. Dragging out Nuremberg is ridiculous. I saids I don't make policy as in, it was not my choice to invade, however I could care less about invading or not invading, Bush said go, so we went. In hindsight it was a poorly thoughtout operation after the initial invasion.

I wasn't talking about the fox interview; I was talking about this one:

His argument is that THAT is not possible; listen to the man.

[youandme]

1st a CIA director that thinks something is impossible....I'm glad he no longer works for our country.

2nd he acknowledges that, islam is a threat, but HH6 is right you can't leave the place. It may not be able to be done in a way that everyone would agree on, but it can be done.

[Deicide]

1st a CIA director that thinks something is impossible....I'm glad he no longer works for our country.

2nd he acknowledges that, islam is a threat, but HH6 is right you can't leave the place. It may not be able to be done in a way that everyone would agree on, but it can be done.

Sounds like a plan...

[headhuntersix]

It also strikes me as odd that folks here blame the CIA for everything that is evil in the world and then cherry pick information that supports their pre-made Lib conclusions. The CIA is very political and has an agenda. They have been wrong on alot of major issues...they have never predicted correctly the development of any nuclear program by our enemies. U guys can't have it both ways...either the CIA is sick and twisted and evil, or full of idiots.

[OzmO]

It also strikes me as odd that folks here blame the CIA for everything that is evil in the world and then cherry pick information that supports their pre-made Lib conclusions. The CIA is very political and has an agenda. They have been wrong on alot of major issues...they have never predicted correctly the development of any nuclear program by our enemies. U guys can't have it both ways...either the CIA is sick and twisted and evil, or full of idiots.

HH6, chances are they are both.     j/k.   They are what they are, a necessary evil that makes mistakes.

[headhuntersix]

True....but u either get the big bad CIA threads or the CIA are idiots. But when one of them decides to write a book that suppports a Leftist point, even though this guy is not even remotely a Lib, they jump all over it here. I read his book, he points out many mistakes but says we've not done enough to kill the bad guys. He'd prefer the old fasion CIA way of doing things, which the Libs abhore.

[Deicide]

It also strikes me as odd that folks here blame the CIA for everything that is evil in the world and then cherry pick information that supports their pre-made Lib conclusions. The CIA is very political and has an agenda. They have been wrong on alot of major issues...they have never predicted correctly the development of any nuclear program by our enemies. U guys can't have it both ways...either the CIA is sick and twisted and evil, or full of idiots.

You constantly throw around this word liberalism (I can only assume in its tainted American form); what exactly do you mean by that? Be specific...

[240 is Back]

You constantly throw around this word liberalism (I can only assume in its tainted American form); what exactly do you mean by that? Be specific...

Ironically, the neoconservative movement of the republicans - borrowing nearly a trillion a year to reconstruct and protect another country (nationbuilding!) is a majorly liberal thing. 

There's a lot of liberalism sprinkled in the neocons.  Which is so funny when they call each other libs.  Joe local, you support borrowing $1 tril a year to help some lazy fvcking iraqis with oil to sell.  You're a lib, dude!

[OzmO]

Ironically, the neoconservative movement of the republicans - borrowing nearly a trillion a year to reconstruct and protect another country (nationbuilding!) is a majorly liberal thing. 

There's a lot of liberalism sprinkled in the neocons.  Which is so funny when they call each other libs.  Joe local, you support borrowing $1 tril a year to help some lazy fvcking iraqis with oil to sell.  You're a lib, dude!

Yeah let's borrow 1 trillion to help Iraqis, but not our own people.   And then not drill for oil in the USA.  Monster sense.

[240 is Back]

Yeah let's borrow 1 trillion to help Iraqis, but not our own people.   And then not drill for oil in the USA.  Monster sense.

they blame the dems - with zero voting power for 6 years - for stopping this.

Dems/libs/granolas couldn't stop the wars, the tax cuts, the pat act...

but somehow, without any legislation, managed to stifle bush's desire to use our own oil.





that's a load of shit right there.

[OzmO]

they blame the dems - with zero voting power for 6 years - for stopping this.

Dems/libs/granolas couldn't stop the wars, the tax cuts, the pat act...

but somehow, without any legislation, managed to stifle bush's desire to use our own oil.





that's a load of shit right there.

It seems like party loyalty really means "load of shit" loyalty.

[Deicide]

Always have been Independent, always will be...

[OzmO]

Always have been Independent, always will be...

With the current field of real choices....Dem - Repub,   how could you not be?

[Deicide]

With the current field of real choices....Dem - Repub,   how could you not be?

Those were always the choices Ozmo...