Too much emphasis on the "last 10%"/ Dexter idea

[Howard]

I think it is fair to say that a  good basic routine and sound nutrition are the keys to making gain
 ( genetics aside).
It amazes me how so many young guys, spend so much time , $$ and effort on all the little stuff, like supplements and specific cable moves , etc
I read a response recently from Dexter Jackson to a young guy that wrote in about getting better chest.
Hard to say if it was ghostwritten , but it made a great point.
Dexter's basic idea was that until you had some actual muscle thickness and could push some decent wt, etc , the little stuff didn't really matter. Doesn't make much sense to do tons of cable crosses to "refine" a chest with little pec muscle.
Look at legends like Arnold, Ronnie and Yates. They all did basic stuff and busted their butts on it.
Same with fat loss. It is pretty obvious that a consistant cardio regime and strict diet will yeild better results than just buying some fat burner -thermogenic. I know that some of these products help, but it is obvious to me that at least 90% of the result would be from the cardio and diet.
Why do so many spend so much time and effort on all the little crap, when they should focus on what gets you the first 90%?
Howard

[Ex Coelis]

cable crossovers seem to be the chest movement of choice for homosexuals and 'under-armour' officianados

[Howard]

cable crossovers seem to be the chest movement of choice for gay people and 'under-armour' officianados

LOL< I have nothing against cross overs, but I am sick of hearing the bennefits of "twisting testicle flys" over "flat fart ones" , etc. Just lift the damn wt, get a pump etc

[candidizzle]

you guys are SO right, the chest muscle fibers definitely know the difference between when they are contracting while doiing cable crossovers compared to when they are contracting during the bench press.     

[nzmusclemonster]

cable crossovers seem to be the chest movement of choice for homosexuals and 'under-armour' officianados

Closely followed by dumbell flyes on a swiss ball.

[temper35]

I think it is fair to say that a  good basic routine and sound nutrition are the keys to making gain
 ( genetics aside).
It amazes me how so many young guys, spend so much time , $$ and effort on all the little stuff, like supplements and specific cable moves , etc
I read a response recently from Dexter Jackson to a young guy that wrote in about getting better chest.
Hard to say if it was ghostwritten , but it made a great point.
Dexter's basic idea was that until you had some actual muscle thickness and could push some decent wt, etc , the little stuff didn't really matter. Doesn't make much sense to do tons of cable crosses to "refine" a chest with little pec muscle.
Look at legends like Arnold, Ronnie and Yates. They all did basic stuff and busted their butts on it.
Same with fat loss. It is pretty obvious that a consistant cardio regime and strict diet will yeild better results than just buying some fat burner -thermogenic. I know that some of these products help, but it is obvious to me that at least 90% of the result would be from the cardio and diet.
Why do so many spend so much time and effort on all the little crap, when they should focus on what gets you the first 90%?
Howard

another amazing post.

[Stu]

Hard to say if it was ghostwritten , but it made a great point.

If big words like "if" and "so" were used then yes, it was probably ghostwritten.

Dexter's basic idea was that until you had some actual muscle thickness and could push some decent wt, etc , the little stuff didn't really matter. Doesn't make much sense to do tons of cable crosses to "refine" a chest with little pec muscle.

To be honest a "Professional" Bodybuilder would be the last person from whom I would seek advice, the average trainee in the gym probably knows more about the basics of training...

It is pretty obvious that a consistant cardio regime and strict diet will yeild better results than just buying some fat burner -thermogenic.

This is true, however for best fat burning results drugs are usually the answer, hence the term "All Drugs".

[Ex Coelis]

you guys are SO right, the chest muscle fibers definitely know the difference between when they are contracting while doiing cable crossovers compared to when they are contracting during the bench press.     

more weight is moved through the bench press than cable crossovers; more weight means bigger muscles

in the same way that you will get bigger doing bodyweight dips than dumbbell kickbacks

dummkopf 

[Stu]

more weight means bigger muscles

Are you sure about that?

 

[gordiano]

Closely followed by dumbell flyes on a swiss ball.

HAHAHAHA! So true.


Then, it's off to "ab marathon". 

[Matt C]

Why do so many spend so much time and effort on all the little crap, when they should focus on what gets you the first 90%?

I always stress that too - that nutrition matters over anything else.  Not that I apply it consistently, but I do make it abundantly clear that it is most important.

[emn1964]

I always stress that too - that nutrition matters over anything else.  Not that I apply it consistently, but I do make it abundantly clear that it is most important.

Hey smart guy, would you give Dexter your racist thoughts if you met him person?  Hahahaha, probably not coward.

[Matt C]

Hey smart guy, would you give Dexter your racist thoughts if you met him person?  Hahahaha, probably not coward.

First of all, my thoughts aren't racist.  Secondly, of course I would.  I've discussed these issues in person with people of numerous races so far and will continue to do so.  And notice how the only example like this is used when it is a white person going up to a black person.

hmm...are you subtly implying that Dexter (or other black men) would be more inclined to respond to controversial ideas with VIOLENCE, rather than engaging in intellectual discourse?  And I'M the racist?  LOL.

Please note that replies like that of emn1964 bait me.  I never bring up anything to begin with.  I (sometimes) reply to garbage like this.  So for those of you saying it is ME who brings these things up - SHUT UP.  I never do.

"I see dumb people." 

[emn1964]

First of all, my thoughts aren't racist.  Secondly, of course I would.  I've discussed these issues in person with people of numerous races so far and will continue to do so.  And notice how the only example like this is used when it is a white person going up to a black person.

hmm...are you subtly implying that Dexter (or other black men) would be more inclined to respond to controversial ideas with VIOLENCE, rather than engaging in intellectual discourse?  And I'M the racist?  LOL.

Please note that replies like that of emn1964 bait me.  I never bring up anything to begin with.  I (sometimes) reply to garbage like this.  So for those of you saying it is ME who brings these things up - SHUT UP.  I never do.

"I see dumb people." 

Did you not say that blacks have less intellectual capacity than whites?  And I did not say that Dexter would respond with violence, that was your racist thought, not mine.  The reality is that you would never have the balls to spew your racist and antisemetic bullshit to a black or a jew in person because you are a coward.

[Ex Coelis]

racism is lame

[Howard]

racism is lame

only get big can turn a training post into a racial one.
 
What is next? Do blacks prefer cable crosses vs bench presses more than whites....geeeesh

[dantelis]

Why do so many spend so much time and effort on all the little crap, when they should focus on what gets you the first 90%?
Howard

Because everyone is looking for the easy way out.  They don't want to put in the hard work.

[Kegdrainer]

when is pointing out genetic differences considered racism?  Saying that blacks are better at basketball but can't spell,  and koreans kick our asses at math but always have dumb haircuts, and indians are good at physics but have poor personal hygeine...so i guess im a racist then?

while i'm at it, show me one area of the world where white people are still barefoot in the jungle with their cocknballs hanging out, blowing poison darts at wild animals to catch their dinner.  

[candidizzle]

more weight is moved through the bench press than cable crossovers; more weight means bigger muscles

in the same way that you will get bigger doing bodyweight dips than dumbbell kickbacks

dunkov

why is more weight invovled? BECAUSE OTHER MUSCLES ARE LIFTING THE EXTRA WEIGHT

 activate growth through what ever movement you would like too...

"shaping" exercise..LOL.. no such thing broski

[Bast000]

'isolation' exercises are good too.  You can go to muscle failure with them, just like any. So obviously they work the muscles well.

[BlueDevil]

while i'm at it, show me one area of the world where white people are still barefoot in the jungle with their cocknballs hanging out, blowing poison darts at wild animals to catch their dinner.  

[flagadajones]

more weight is moved through the bench press than cable crossovers; more weight means bigger muscles

in the same way that you will get bigger doing bodyweight dips than dumbbell kickbacks

dunkov

dummkopf n. A stupid person; a dolt. [German : dumm , dumb (from Middle High German tump, tumb , from Old High German tumb ) + Kopf , head (from.

hope this helps

[bigmikecox]

only get big can turn a training post into a racial one.
 
What is next? Do blacks prefer cable crosses vs bench presses more than whites....geeeesh

That's what I was thinking.  WTF???  Can you guys just follow the general idea of the post?  Take that shit to the X board. 

[Disgusted]

I think it is fair to say that a  good basic routine and sound nutrition are the keys to making gain
 ( genetics aside).
It amazes me how so many young guys, spend so much time , $$ and effort on all the little stuff, like supplements and specific cable moves , etc
I read a response recently from Dexter Jackson to a young guy that wrote in about getting better chest.
Hard to say if it was ghostwritten , but it made a great point.
Dexter's basic idea was that until you had some actual muscle thickness and could push some decent wt, etc , the little stuff didn't really matter. Doesn't make much sense to do tons of cable crosses to "refine" a chest with little pec muscle.
Look at legends like Arnold, Ronnie and Yates. They all did basic stuff and busted their butts on it.
Same with fat loss. It is pretty obvious that a consistant cardio regime and strict diet will yeild better results than just buying some fat burner -thermogenic. I know that some of these products help, but it is obvious to me that at least 90% of the result would be from the cardio and diet.
Why do so many spend so much time and effort on all the little crap, when they should focus on what gets you the first 90%?
Howard

I stopped at cable crosses. They don't "refine" anything.

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

cable crossovers seem to be the chest movement of choice for homosexuals and 'under-armour' officianados

TAPOUT!!!!