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Question: Lighting on the contest stage?
« on: May 28, 2008, 02:50:24 AM »
Hey Chick,

why isn't a lightning like this used at the Olympia stage (or any stage) nowadays??



Any reason for that? Everyone who saw the British GP 99 said this was the greatest lightning EVER. ???
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Re: QUESTION FOR BOB CHICK!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2008, 08:00:33 AM »
There are a lot of factors and variables that go into lighting, including the venue, height of the main lights, type of lights, background. etc...if the lights are too "hot", then there tends to be more washout. Too much down light, more shadowing. Most venues are built to light up the entire stage...bodybuilding lighting is different and specific. At the Olympia this past year, there seemed to be hot and cold spots on the stage...I saw guys look better in some spots...often the middle is lit up different than the sides, as a spotlight effect is used for the individual routines center stage...which changes the lighting to the sides...

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Re: QUESTION FOR BOB CHICK!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2008, 08:18:46 AM »
how about a dark stage and people have to bring their own flashlights? could be pretty aWESOME
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Re: QUESTION FOR BOB CHICK!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2008, 08:22:39 AM »
Quote from: Chick on May 28, 2008, 08:00:33 AM
There are a lot of factors and variables that go into lighting, including the venue, height of the main lights, type of lights, background. etc...if the lights are too "hot", then there tends to be more washout. Too much down light, more shadowing. Most venues are built to light up the entire stage...bodybuilding lighting is different and specific. At the Olympia this past year, there seemed to be hot and cold spots on the stage...I saw guys look better in some spots...often the middle is lit up different than the sides, as a spotlight effect is used for the individual routines center stage...which changes the lighting to the sides...



Thx for the answer Bob. So you mean a lightning like at the British GP is probably not even possible in the Olympia hall??
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Re: QUESTION FOR BOB CHICK!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2008, 08:33:40 AM »
Quote from: affeman on May 28, 2008, 08:22:39 AM
Thx for the answer Bob. So you mean a lightning like at the British GP is probably not even possible in the Olympia hall??

Probably not...smaller theater lighting is always the best for BB.
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Re: QUESTION FOR BOB CHICK!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2008, 04:28:20 PM »
Quote from: Chick on May 28, 2008, 08:00:33 AM
There are a lot of factors and variables that go into lighting, including the venue, height of the main lights, type of lights, background. etc...if the lights are too "hot", then there tends to be more washout. Too much down light, more shadowing. Most venues are built to light up the entire stage...bodybuilding lighting is different and specific. At the Olympia this past year, there seemed to be hot and cold spots on the stage...I saw guys look better in some spots...often the middle is lit up different than the sides, as a spotlight effect is used for the individual routines center stage...which changes the lighting to the sides...


I am just a Joe Blow phyiscs teacher , and I have a portable light intensity meter in my lab.
Why the show promoters and the IFBB don't get on stage with a light meter at EVERY show with some actual numerical lighting guidlines is a mystery to me.
It would be pretty easy and not take too much time to establish a range of acceptable, lighting intensity ranges on the pro stage. This is a NO brainer and to easy NOT to do! Why is this NOT done?
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Re: QUESTION FOR BOB CHICK!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2008, 06:12:33 PM »
Quote from: Howard on May 28, 2008, 04:28:20 PM
I am just a Joe Blow phyiscs teacher , and I have a portable light intensity meter in my lab.
Why the show promoters and the IFBB don't get on stage with a light meter at EVERY show with some actual numerical lighting guidlines is a mystery to me.
It would be pretty easy and not take too much time to establish a range of acceptable, lighting intensity ranges on the pro stage. This is a NO brainer and to easy NOT to do! Why is this NOT done?
lighting is a very difficult thing to master and even if they hired the best lighting tech in the world , there is still a good chance you will have some problems.I t would be more luck then anything if you got a perfectly lit show.

To have great lighting for bb they would have to have lighting techs on salary that do it day in a day out so they could master whatever needs to be done, so each show would have a standard consistency. Obvioulsy that would not happen in pro bodybuilding since theres only a handfull of shows in a yr.


Same goes with video cameras, the more the same crew works an event the better the camera angles will be.
Jeez they take months of daily trial and error to light a play well before they even open the show!
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Re: QUESTION FOR BOB CHICK!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2008, 06:14:43 PM »
Quote from: slayer on May 28, 2008, 06:12:33 PM
lighting is a very difficult thing to master and even if they hired the best lighting tech in the world , there is still a good chance you will have some problems.I t would be more luck then anything if you got a perfectly lit show.


Just hold all shows in Kamali's kitchen and you'll have perfect lighting every time.
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Re: QUESTION FOR BOB CHICK!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2008, 07:47:14 PM »
Quote from: Howard on May 28, 2008, 04:28:20 PM
I am just a Joe Blow phyiscs teacher , and I have a portable light intensity meter in my lab.
Why the show promoters and the IFBB don't get on stage with a light meter at EVERY show with some actual numerical lighting guidlines is a mystery to me.
It would be pretty easy and not take too much time to establish a range of acceptable, lighting intensity ranges on the pro stage. This is a NO brainer and to easy NOT to do! Why is this NOT done?

It is done...at every show. Still tough to get the perfect light for a stage line-up.
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Re: QUESTION FOR BOB CHICK!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2008, 08:58:20 AM »
Quote from: Chick on May 28, 2008, 07:47:14 PM
It is done...at every show. Still tough to get the perfect light for a stage line-up.
I know they have some guy stand on the X spots and look, but I don't think I ever saw an actual light intensity meter used???
I don't think they have the intensity ranges listed either ( in ft-candles or lumens).
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Re: QUESTION FOR BOB CHICK!!!!!
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2008, 09:05:57 AM »
That was a good lineup at that show.
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Re: QUESTION FOR BOB CHICK!!!!!
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2008, 12:10:14 PM »
nowadays we have jay cutler ::)
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Re: QUESTION FOR BOB CHICK!!!!!
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2008, 12:19:12 PM »
the Ironman has always had the best lighting, the Arnold Classic the WORST by far




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Re: QUESTION FOR BOB CHICK!!!!!
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2008, 12:35:19 PM »
Quote from: Big Poppa J on May 30, 2008, 12:19:12 PM
the Ironman has always had the best lighting,

Wrong, read this thread! ::)

The British Grand Prix 99 had the best lightning!
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Re: Question: Lighting on the contest stage?
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2008, 02:04:56 PM »
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the Ironman has always had the best lighting, the Arnold Classic the WORST by far

Mike Neavuex works quite hard in perfecting the lighting at the Ironman, complete with the background behind it and more. At the Arnold, the stage is more of a spectacle, a presentation, thus, the background does affect the lighting sometimes in the pictures.  Especially when you have lights coming from the floor as well as the ceiling.

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Re: QUESTION FOR BOB CHICK!!!!!
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2008, 02:52:07 PM »
Quote from: Howard on May 30, 2008, 08:58:20 AM

I don't think they have the intensity ranges listed either ( in ft-candles or lumens).

You don't really need a measurement in lumens or ft-candles to set the lighting but it's a simple conversion from f-stop/time on a regular light meter.
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Re: Question: Lighting on the contest stage?
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2008, 05:15:55 PM »
Great topic for discussion. Lighting at the IM should be calculated/measured so a formula of sorts could be replicated at other shows for consistancy to be achieved in judging and photo reporting.
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