California and same sex "marriage"

[Slippedisc]

I couldn't care less if the fags want to get married.  It doesn't affect me, and it is a stupid thing to be concerned about.  Although, I seriously gotta wonder about the people who get all up in arms about this. 

haha

look at goatboy tryijg to deny his tendencies

[G o a t b o y]

haha

look at goatboy tryijg to deny his tendencies

haha

look at slippy trying to pretend he's sober.

[The Luke]

Goatboy... DeBussey etc...

You're doing sterling work here, but let's give MCWAY a chance to answer my challenge... which obviously he is taking every effort to avoid.



The Luke

[MCWAY]

I'm sorry...

I made a mistake. You see I read this:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

...and then I read further and found this...

"If a man lie with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

 ...and came to the conclusion that the punishment for an abomination was death. Especially seeing as death was the proscribed punishment for even lesser crimes... such as disrespect:

"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)

I (seemingly) wrongly assumed death would be the punishment for ALL other abominations listed in Leviticus:

"But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:10)
...don't eat shellfish.

"They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination." (Leviticus 11:11)
...really, don't eat shellfish.

"And these you shall regard as an abomination among the birds; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, the vulture, the buzzard." (Leviticus 11:13)
...don't eat certain birds either.

"All flying insects that creep on all fours shall be an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:20)
...don't eat insects either (unless you're John the Baptist and eat mostly locusts).



"Whatever crawls on its belly, whatever goes on all fours, or whatever has many feet among all creeping things that creep on the earth, these you shall not eat, for they are an abomination." (Leviticus 11:42)
...presumably locusts somehow don't count in this group.

Seeing as I was so wrong on this obvious distinct legal term abomination which merits capital punishment in one verse but seemingly has another distinct and contradictory meaning later in the same chapter (a distinction that eludes me).



I'm sure MCWAY can similarly explain all the faults in my argument that Jesus was essentially evil because he never once spoke out against slavery and female oppression (see my previous more detailed post for the full argument).

Let's give him a chance to read back and decide which combination of equivocation, evasion and selective reasoning qualifies as the Christian viewpoint on this topic.


The Luke

Again, this is off-topic. If you're so eager for me to pick this silliness apart, make another thread.

[MCWAY]

Goatboy... DeBussey etc...

You're doing sterling work here, but let's give MCWAY a chance to answer my challenge... which obviously he is taking every effort to avoid.

The Luke

The avoiding stuff would fall on you, as you have yet to address the issue about the "blue" states that passed constitutional amendments, defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman, thus flattening your rants about this issue being merely about "Jeebus-loving" rednecks.

And, as stated before, if you're so eager for me to carve up that other non-topic-related silliness, start another thread.

[PANDAEMONIUM]

it doesnt affect me either way. im not gay, i dont live in california, and more importantly....i dont really care what people want to have sex with and marry...

unless its a kid, an animal....or my anus. then we have problems....

HAHAHAHAH  I'm not gonna bother reading the rest of this thread.  That post was brilliant.

[The Luke]

Let's give him a chance to read back and decide which combination of equivocation, evasion and selective reasoning qualifies as the Christian viewpoint on this topic.

...so which one of these are you using here? Equivocation, evasion or selective reasoning... or is this a combination of all three?

Why isn't the fact that the Bible support for a ban on gay marriage/intercourse is bullshit relevant here... in this thread, especially when it is the (sole) basis of your counter argument?

Whys should Jesus or his morality be relevant to modern society?

Jesus never spoke out against some of the most egregious and blatant evils of his own time... slavery, female oppression, genital mutilation, arranged marriages, child rape etc etc

Couldn't the argument be made that by todays standards Jesus was quite a bigoted hateful bastard... perhaps his veiled moral musings regarding gay marriage aren't worth consideration?


The Luke   

[MCWAY]

...so which one of these are you using here? Equivocation, evasion or selective reasoning... or is this a combination of all three?

Why isn't the fact that the Bible support for a ban on gay marriage/intercourse is bullshit relevant here... in this thread, especially when it is the (sole) basis of your counter argument?

Whys should Jesus or his morality be relevant to modern society?

Jesus never spoke out against some of the most egregious and blatant evils of his own time... slavery, female oppression, genital mutilation, arranged marriages, child rape etc etc

Couldn't the argument be made that by todays standards Jesus was quite a bigoted hateful bastard... perhaps his veiled moral musings regarding gay marriage aren't worth consideration?

The Luke   

What part of "Start another thread" (for this non-topic stuff) ain't penetrating that skulls of yours?

And for that matter, why aren't you addressing that your "Jeebus-loving" redneck spiel don't hold, concerning the "blue" states that passed constitutional amendments?

[The Luke]

What part of "Start another thread" (for this non-topic stuff) ain't penetrating that skulls of yours?

And for that matter, why aren't you addressing that your "Jeebus-loving" redneck spiel don't hold, concerning the "blue" states that passed constitutional amendments?

...Blue States vote against gay marriage because even liberals are afraid of Red-Neck Evangelicals.

You guys LOVE Jeebus, and profess to love your neighbours while simultaneously hating
-Jews
-blacks
-liberals
-socialists
-gays
-muslims
-non-Christians
-gays
-lesbians
-intellectuals
-thinker
-readers

...you book-burning parasites are so sure that you are right that you can never ever admit your mistakes.

A good example is the fact that you avoid every argument that you cannot counter or dismiss... just as you are doing in this thread.


The Luke

[G o a t b o y]

You guys LOVE Jeebus, and profess to love your neighbours while simultaneously hating
-Jews
-blacks
-liberals
-socialists
-gays
-muslims
-non-Christians
-gays
-lesbians
-intellectuals
-thinker
-readers

I hate socialists and muslims too, and I'm not a Jebus freak.

[MCWAY]

...Blue States vote against gay marriage because even liberals are afraid of Red-Neck Evangelicals.

You guys LOVE Jeebus, and profess to love your neighbours while simultaneously hating
-Jews
-blacks
-liberals
-socialists
-gays
-muslims
-non-Christians
-gays
-lesbians
-intellectuals
-thinker
-readers

...you book-burning parasites are so sure that you are right that you can never ever admit your mistakes.

A good example is the fact that you avoid every argument that you cannot counter or dismiss... just as you are doing in this thread.

The Luke

Now, you're claiming that the "blue" states passed amendments, out of fear from "red-neck evangelicals". Now, that's rich.
 
Apparently, you don't comprenhend very well. You start another thread, with that other foolishness you posted, and I will address that (and pick it apart), period.

[The Luke]

Now, you're claiming that the "blue" states passed amendments, out of fear from "red-neck evangelicals". Now, that's rich.
 
Apparently, you don't comprenhend very well. You start another thread, with that other foolishness you posted, and I will address that (and pick it apart), period.

Do it here... it simply can't be done.

Someone else will second this request so as to show a second thread is unnecessary.


The Luke

[MCWAY]

Do it here... it simply can't be done.

Someone else will second this request so as to show a second thread is unnecessary.

The Luke

This thread is specifically about same-sex "marriage". And, notwithstanding my initial off-topic post, I'm not hijacking this thread to address the myriad of off-topic foolishness you've posted.

Start another thread, and I will deal with that mess there.

Now, I'd love to see you support this newest wacky claim, citing fear of rednecks as the reason why the "blue" states passed constitutional amendments, defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman. I don't call there being that many rednecks in Hawaii or Michigan. And, I don't think that there'll be that many in California.

[The Luke]

MCWAY,


Stop the evasion... all my points are properly formulated and thought out.

You dismiss arguments you can't counter while attempting to infer that these points don't warrant discussion.


Every second post of yours is an attempt to either run off on a tangent or change the subject.

It's not clever... it's a blatant transparent ploy used by morons to argue above their IQ.



The Luke

[MCWAY]

MCWAY,


Stop the evasion... all my points are properly formulated and thought out.

You dismiss arguments you can't counter while attempting to infer that these points don't warrant discussion.


Every second post of yours is an attempt to either run off on a tangent or change the subject.

It's not clever... it's a blatant transparent ploy used by morons to argue above their IQ.

The Luke

Change the subject? Ummm....genius, the subject is same-sex "marriage", (check the title of the thread) which is what I am discussing.

In fact, I'll go one better. I WILL start a different thread and take apart your pitiful claims there.

[The Luke]

Wow... MCWAY evaded the question and changed the subject after being asked continuously not to do so.

Surprising... does that constitute a surrender? Did I just win the argument? Funny, I don't feel as if a reasoned rational consensus has been reached... yet none of my arguments have been refuted.


The Luke

[MCWAY]

Wow... MCWAY evaded the question and changed the subject after being asked continuously not to do so.

Surprising... does that constitute a surrender? Did I just win the argument? Funny, I don't feel as if a reasoned rational consensus has been reached... yet none of my arguments have been refuted.

The Luke

Hardly!!! Check the G&O board.

[The Luke]

Hardly!!! Check the G&O board.

...the only reason you ever start new threads is so that you can use your tired tactics to seemingly turn the argument in your favour.

-start a new thread
-dismiss the argument without addressing the issues raised
-infer the invalidity of your opponents position without actually proving it
-direct the discussion off on a tangent of your choosing
-pick fault with a deliberately misconstrued point
-focus on the misconstrued point of your choosing
-exaggerate the error you deliberately misconstrued

...how many of these tactics are listed on the post-it affixed to your monitor?


The Luke

[chaos]

...the only reason you ever start new threads is so that you can use your tired tactics to seemingly turn the argument in your favour.

-start a new thread
-dismiss the argument without addressing the issues raised
-infer the invalidity of your opponents position without actually proving it
-direct the discussion off on a tangent of your choosing
-pick fault with a deliberately misconstrued point
-focus on the misconstrued point of your choosing
-exaggerate the error you deliberately misconstrued

...how many of these tactics are listed on the post-it affixed to your monitor?


The Luke

Are you still living in your parents basement or did you find a job?

[bigdumbbell]

i hate towel heads and dot heads

[chaos]

i hate towel heads and dot heads

Would you approve of a towelhead marrying a dothead?

[bigdumbbell]

Would you approve of a towelhead marrying a dothead?

yes but only because i am a liberal

[warrior_code]

Great stuff guys.  It is so wonderful when I see religion slowly becoming more irrelevant.  We are in the age of enlightenment through science and rational thought.  We don't need stories written thousands of years ago by a bunch of men who didn't know what a cell was as a belief system.  It boggles my mind that any intelligent adult would actually take religion seriously for any other reason then implanted fear from childhood. 

[chaos]

Great stuff guys.  It is so wonderful when I see religion slowly becoming more irrelevant.  We are in the age of enlightenment through science and rational thought.  We don't need stories written thousands of years ago by a bunch of men who didn't know what a cell was as a belief system.  It boggles my mind that any intelligent adult would actually take religion seriously for any other reason then implanted fear from childhood. 

Are you saying the only "implanted fear from childhood" you have is the one your uncle Billy introduced you to on a cold winters night?

[G o a t b o y]

Great stuff guys.  It is so wonderful when I see religion slowly becoming more irrelevant.  We are in the age of enlightenment through science and rational thought.  We don't need stories written thousands of years ago by a bunch of men who didn't know what a cell was as a belief system.  It boggles my mind that any intelligent adult would actually take religion seriously for any other reason then implanted fear from childhood. 

Based on people who frequent internet boards and chats it would seem that society is getting less religous and more enlightened, but unfortunately that doesn't match up with what you see in the offline world.  I think the internet is not really a good reflection of the general population, since internet users (in the sense I'm speaking of) tend to be younger and more educated than society as a whole.  You also get a lot of people from places in the world that tend to be far more secular than what is common in most of America.