For those whining about early stoppages at Elite XC....

[DNewbie]

Do any of you realize what was at stake last night? This was the first MMA event on network prime time television. Do you think that possibly there could be some congressmen/senators watching the event, just waiting for a "brutal KO"? Do you all think it would have been good for MMA if someone would have been knocked unconscious and started having convulsions? I have been an MMA fan for 15 years now and thought the event was ran perfectly. You guys need to think about the big picture and not what is exactly right or wrong with last nights show. Should the Kimbo fight have been stopped in the 2nd? In a "normal" event, it would have been stopped. Would Kimbo have lost most of his "status" with the loss? Of course he would have. Who would headline the future CBS shows that would draw people to watch like Kimbo does? NOBODY!!! Do we all want 6 Million tuning in for the show or 2 Million?

Suck it up, people!!! MMA needs to progress at this time....This was the right way to do it!

[Mark Kerr]

Do any of you realize what was at stake last night? This was the first MMA event on network prime time television. Do you think that possibly there could be some congressmen/senators watching the event, just waiting for a "brutal KO"? Do you all think it would have been good for MMA if someone would have been knocked unconscious and started having convulsions? I have been an MMA fan for 15 years now and thought the event was ran perfectly. You guys need to think about the big picture and not what is exactly right or wrong with last nights show. Should the Kimbo fight have been stopped in the 2nd? In a "normal" event, it would have been stopped. Would Kimbo have lost most of his "status" with the loss? Of course he would have. Who would headline the future CBS shows that would draw people to watch like Kimbo does? NOBODY!!! Do we all want 6 Million tuning in for the show or 2 Million?

Suck it up, people!!! MMA needs to progress at this time....This was the right way to do it!

People are pissed because of a fixed fight.

[polychronopolous]

Do any of you realize what was at stake last night? This was the first MMA event on network prime time television. Do you think that possibly there could be some congressmen/senators watching the event, just waiting for a "brutal KO"? Do you all think it would have been good for MMA if someone would have been knocked unconscious and started having convulsions? I have been an MMA fan for 15 years now and thought the event was ran perfectly. You guys need to think about the big picture and not what is exactly right or wrong with last nights show. Should the Kimbo fight have been stopped in the 2nd? In a "normal" event, it would have been stopped. Would Kimbo have lost most of his "status" with the loss? Of course he would have. Who would headline the future CBS shows that would draw people to watch like Kimbo does? NOBODY!!! Do we all want 6 Million tuning in for the show or 2 Million?

Suck it up, people!!! MMA needs to progress at this time....This was the right way to do it!

You are making some really solid points. However, I am watching WEC right now, and it's a totally different presentation. Knowledgable, well spoken commentators. The camera angles are really good. Professional presentation that does not resemble some kind of three ring circus. If Elite could resemble this a little more and not look so "cheap" it might have a better chance.

[Journeyman]

i agree

[SinCitysmallGUY]

Do any of you realize what was at stake last night? This was the first MMA event on network prime time television. Do you think that possibly there could be some congressmen/senators watching the event, just waiting for a "brutal KO"? Do you all think it would have been good for MMA if someone would have been knocked unconscious and started having convulsions? I have been an MMA fan for 15 years now and thought the event was ran perfectly. You guys need to think about the big picture and not what is exactly right or wrong with last nights show. Should the Kimbo fight have been stopped in the 2nd? In a "normal" event, it would have been stopped. Would Kimbo have lost most of his "status" with the loss? Of course he would have. Who would headline the future CBS shows that would draw people to watch like Kimbo does? NOBODY!!! Do we all want 6 Million tuning in for the show or 2 Million?

Suck it up, people!!! MMA needs to progress at this time....This was the right way to do it!

Do you want people to think it is a sport or a fucking circus like WWE? Cause righ now it looks like Gary Shaw had Vince backstage making the calls.

[milfer]

Do you want people to think it is a sport or a fucking circus like WWE? Cause Right now it looks like Gary Shaw had Vince backstage making the calls.

your right on point the only thing missing was fighters talking shit on the way to the ring...... and did you guys see the fat dancers

[Archer77]

Do any of you realize what was at stake last night? This was the first MMA event on network prime time television. Do you think that possibly there could be some congressmen/senators watching the event, just waiting for a "brutal KO"? Do you all think it would have been good for MMA if someone would have been knocked unconscious and started having convulsions? I have been an MMA fan for 15 years now and thought the event was ran perfectly. You guys need to think about the big picture and not what is exactly right or wrong with last nights show. Should the Kimbo fight have been stopped in the 2nd? In a "normal" event, it would have been stopped. Would Kimbo have lost most of his "status" with the loss? Of course he would have. Who would headline the future CBS shows that would draw people to watch like Kimbo does? NOBODY!!! Do we all want 6 Million tuning in for the show or 2 Million?

Suck it up, people!!! MMA needs to progress at this time....This was the right way to do it!

Ridiculous statement stacked atop ridiculous statement.  What is good for MMA and  more importantly the fighters is a level playing field.  Fighters need to know that when they step into the ring and risk their lives that they are going to get a square deal.  So in your crazy world it is acceptable to give preferential treatment to a fighter because they attract viewers even if they absolutely do not deserve it.  Your not a fan of MMA.  You sound like a wrestling fan, all style and no substance is the way you like it. 

[MisterMagoo]

so basically it was okay that they fixed it for kimbo because he's a bigger draw for future events.

yes, that totally makes it a legitimate sport. maybe dana should have made sure chuck beat rampage because he was the UFC's poster boy, too. and then they can just start fixing all the cards based on what gets the best crowd response, and what'll get the best draw for future events.

and you know, because the fights are fixed, they can make the fights THEMSELVES more exciting! i mean, we all know the long grappling and fighting for control is boring. the crowd wants action, right? well now that we have the fights predetermined, the fighters can concentrate on excitement! they can get rid of the long grappling and do more striking.

ooo, even better, BIG moves. remember how much everyone loved rampage's powerbomb on that guy? well let's have more like that! powerbombs, suplexes, body slams, piledrivers. maybe even once in a while someone can climb to the top of the cage and DIVE off of it!




you forget, bud, that professional wrestling spawned from legitimate wrestling which was slowly perverted by the very means you're espousing.

[Tre]

The only dancers worse than EliteXC were the ones on American Gladiators.

[Journeyman]

early stoppage yes, fixed im not so sure.....keep in mind you get early stoppages in boxing where they are making millions per.....couldnt it be the the refs fault alone and not everyone associated w/ Elite XC?

[Fury]

so basically it was okay that they fixed it for kimbo because he's a bigger draw for future events.

yes, that totally makes it a legitimate sport. maybe dana should have made sure chuck beat rampage because he was the UFC's poster boy, too. and then they can just start fixing all the cards based on what gets the best crowd response, and what'll get the best draw for future events.

and you know, because the fights are fixed, they can make the fights THEMSELVES more exciting! i mean, we all know the long grappling and fighting for control is boring. the crowd wants action, right? well now that we have the fights predetermined, the fighters can concentrate on excitement! they can get rid of the long grappling and do more striking.

ooo, even better, BIG moves. remember how much everyone loved rampage's powerbomb on that guy? well let's have more like that! powerbombs, suplexes, body slams, piledrivers. maybe even once in a while someone can climb to the top of the cage and DIVE off of it!




you forget, bud, that professional wrestling spawned from legitimate wrestling which was slowly perverted by the very means you're espousing.

I hate to break it to you, but there have been MANY suspect UFC fights over the years. Same goes for PRIDE. Acting like the Elite XC was the first organization to possibly fix a fight is hilarious. The UFC has been protecting their stars for years. 

The Bisbing-Hamill fight last was a PRIME example of how bad the UFC is when it comes to this kind of thing as well. Handing a fight to a guy where even a person watching a fight for the first time would know he had lost is pathetic.

And the power bombs, pile drivers and shit are illegal due to the state athletic commissions. It's illegal to spike an opponent's head on the mat, which effectively eliminates most of the good slams.

[MisterMagoo]

I hate to break it to you, but there have been MANY suspect UFC fights over the years. Same goes for PRIDE. Acting like the Elite XC was the first organization to possibly fix a fight is hilarious. The UFC has been protecting their stars for years. 

The Bisbing-Hamill fight last was a PRIME example of how bad the UFC is when it comes to this kind of thing as well. Handing a fight to a guy where even a person watching a fight for the first time would know he had lost is pathetic.

And the power bombs, pile drivers and shit are illegal due to the state athletic commissions. It's illegal to spike an opponent's head on the mat, which effectively eliminates most of the good slams.

that Bisbing-Hamill fight WAS bs. same, i thought, with rampage's win over henderson. bad decisions are made often and the UFC's definitely had a time or three where a fight didn't look like it was called right at all.

this, however, was so blatantly obvious, such a CLEAR case of a fix that it may have a ripple effect. it's one thing when a bad decision is made where guy A wins over B despite B controlling the fight. it's another entirely when guy A got guy B to tap, then pounded him into the mat for over a minute only for the ref to wait until the bell rang, and then hand the fight to B. it's one step away from if thompson had been "KO'd" and took a fall despite the punch missing his face by 10 inches.

[Fury]

that Bisbing-Hamill fight WAS bs. same, i thought, with rampage's win over henderson. bad decisions are made often and the UFC's definitely had a time or three where a fight didn't look like it was called right at all.

this, however, was so blatantly obvious, such a CLEAR case of a fix that it may have a ripple effect. it's one thing when a bad decision is made where guy A wins over B despite B controlling the fight. it's another entirely when guy A got guy B to tap, then pounded him into the mat for over a minute only for the ref to wait until the bell rang, and then hand the fight to B. it's one step away from if thompson had been "KO'd" and took a fall despite the punch missing his face by 10 inches.

Yeah, that's understandable. It's sad but it's to be expected when the sport is debuting on national tv and the guy who was just on the cover of ESPN is fighting. There was no way Kimbo was going to lose a close fight. Unfortunately, Shaw, White and the rest of the American organizations seem intent on turning MMA into a spectacle.

[Faust]

Oh boy, they weren't worried at all that Thompson would be knocked out.
That was probably the main reason of the fight.

The only thing Kimbo can do, is some brawling. So they put him up against probably the weakest chin in MMA, hoping Kimbo knocks him out and Kimbo gets a fresh boatload of hype from MMA newbies.

I guess things didn't go exactly as planned...

[MisterMagoo]

Yeah, that's understandable. It's sad but it's to be expected when the sport is debuting on national tv and the guy who was just on the cover of ESPN is fighting. There was no way Kimbo was going to lose a close fight. Unfortunately, Shaw, White and the rest of the American organizations seem intent on turning MMA into a spectacle.

yeah, from a straight business decision it's understandable WHY, it just pisses me off as a fan.

i wonder how they're going to treat this though. how long are they going to shield kimbo from good fighters and still try and promote him as the next sensation of MMA? or are they going to hope they can train him to be A-list eventually and just throw him softballs until he's "ready"?

i just want to see him go into the UFC with arlovski or any of the heavies there and get absolutely dismantled. hell i still think lesnar could take him down and that'd still give them a spectacle.

[danielson]

yeah, from a straight business decision it's understandable WHY, it just pisses me off as a fan.

i wonder how they're going to treat this though. how long are they going to shield kimbo from good fighters and still try and promote him as the next sensation of MMA? or are they going to hope they can train him to be A-list eventually and just throw him softballs until he's "ready"?

i just want to see him go into the UFC with arlovski or any of the heavies there and get absolutely dismantled. hell i still think lesnar could take him down and that'd still give them a spectacle.

I honestly think just about any UCF fighter would destroy Kimbo. Not just heavyweights either, MANY people at lighter classes as well, I think BJ Penn would kill Kimbo for example. Of course he has a punchers chance against most anyone, but I can't see him beating anyone with a decent ground game whatsoever, he looked like a fish out of water on his back. That being said, I'll be watching his next fight anyway, I find him entertaining, and I can watch for free whether it be Showtime or CBS.

[MisterMagoo]

I honestly think just about any UCF fighter would destroy Kimbo. Not just heavyweights either, MANY people at lighter classes as well, I think BJ Penn would kill Kimbo for example. Of course he has a punchers chance against most anyone, but I can't see him beating anyone with a decent ground game whatsoever, he looked like a fish out of water on his back. That being said, I'll be watching his next fight anyway, I find him entertaining, and I can watch for free whether it be Showtime or CBS.

now THAT would be something. battle of the scary black guys: rampage v kimbo. just because I want to see kimbo annihilated.

[danielson]

now THAT would be something. battle of the scary black guys: rampage v kimbo. just because I want to see kimbo annihilated.

I would LOVE to see Kimbo fight Couture and see him spank him(literally) like he did Tito. Or could you imagine the big goon exchanging punches with Wanderlei, Rampage or Anderson Silva etc. and getting KTFO? Actually, I could think of dozens of fighters who I would like to see embarrass him.

[americanbulldog]

Kimbo sells magazines, has a good cover story, and they were banking on the fact that he would be able to pull this off convincingly.  Wonder why Thompson was picked?  Check his last three fights.  The fact that Thompson came to fight, had a good gameplan and nearly beat Kimbo is the reason MMA is so fascinating.  The fact that the stand up in round 2, no warning on the downward elbow strike, made it look really suspicious.  But to the non MMA fight fan, it may have appeared exciting.  NO WAY they throw Kimbo a legit BJJ player with wrestling. 

[MisterMagoo]

Kimbo sells magazines, has a good cover story, and they were banking on the fact that he would be able to pull this off convincingly.  Wonder why Thompson was picked?  Check his last three fights.  The fact that Thompson came to fight, had a good gameplan and nearly beat Kimbo is the reason MMA is so fascinating.  The fact that the stand up in round 2, no warning on the downward elbow strike, made it look really suspicious.  But to the non MMA fight fan, it may have appeared exciting.  NO WAY they throw Kimbo a legit BJJ player with wrestling. 

thompson was picked because he's kind of a white kimbo. tall, muscular, and intense looking. and he also tends to get destroyed by competent fighters. again, aleksander (who i admit is a great fighter and one of my faves) destroyed him within 20 seconds. they won't even throw kimbo a legit striker because the last thing they need is kimbo to get KTFO'd. look at how that killed crocop's mystique.

[The Master]

and he also tends to get destroyed by competent fighters. again, aleksander (who i admit is a great fighter and one of my faves) destroyed him within 20 seconds

The Thompson vs Alexander Emilianenko was teh funniest MMA fight Debussey has ever seen. Thompson with his tough guy bravado, and Emilianenko just standing next to him like nothing, touching his face  while looking like a lazy scary out of shape russian with that beast a couple of inches away from him. Then Thompson was destroyed like a little bitch.

Priceless

[MisterMagoo]

The Thompson vs Alexander Emilianenko was teh funniest MMA fight Debussey has ever seen. Thompson with his tough guy bravado, and Emilianenko just standing next to him like nothing, touching his face  while looking like a lazy scary out of shape russian with that beast a couple of inches away from him. Then Thompson was destroyed like a little bitch.

Priceless

magoo watches that "fight" periodically when he needs a pick-me-up. 

[The Master]

magoo watches that "fight" periodically when he needs a pick-me-up. 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xop3l_aleksander-emelianenko-vs-james-tho_sport


ROFL

[SinCitysmallGUY]

early stoppage yes, fixed im not so sure.....keep in mind you get early stoppages in boxing where they are making millions per.....couldnt it be the the refs fault alone and not everyone associated w/ Elite XC?

Hell no Gary Shaw looks like a Jersey Guido.. Fuck I thought I saw him on the Sopranos once.. Okay that was a joke, but he looks like a fight fixing snake in the grass. I bet at one time his ass lived in a trailer and called it a mobile home.