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Before 911 people did not give a shit about the atrocities committed towards women and so on in Islams name. Most people didn't know shit about the religion, nor teh "result of it".

About 7 years later, Islam is linked to horrible shit in the media every day, and the religions "bad seeds" both from practicing and in teh scriptures are being painted on peoples minds daily.

Within 2011, the worlds "Islam" and "Muslim" will be even more synonymous with stuff like terrorism, anti-progress, hostility towards everything not Islam and so on, and we've got a whole generation of people growing up with this stuff being thrown into their heads every day.
And the best thing we can do to let these negative aspects of the muslim world grow is to not be aware of what is going on, or not speak out about it.

After 10 years of constant anti-Islamic bombardment and threats against western values with terrorism and intolerance, the message will start to sink in. And although this might give rise to some fundamentalistic forces, it undoubtedly does NOT serve muslims in the long run. Their worst enemy is being visible, being criticized, and people seeing their actions and their beliefs for what they are 

Ps: Haidor, don't take offence, Debussey still loves ya  :D  And please, if somebody want's to claim that all these negative aspects of Islam =  a result of western oil interests, go fuck yourself. Islam ITSELF as it is interpreted (if you can interpret it otherwise?) today is the major issue, not western oil interests.

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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2008, 01:40:52 PM »
2.4 ish billion of em on this planet..

if all of em are really crazed suicide commiting woman beating terrorists..

you sir are fucked..  :-\
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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2008, 01:41:22 PM »
they smell like shit though ...
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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2008, 01:41:42 PM »
2.4 ish billion of em on this planet..

if all of em are really crazed suicide commiting woman beating terrorists..

you sir are fucked..  :-\


1.4 billion.


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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2008, 01:43:22 PM »

1.4 billion.



thats still a lot of terrorists...

i maybe should inform dad to start treating mum like shit and commit randon acts of violence instead of giving to charity and being a 'turn the other cheek' kinda guy.. :-\
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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2008, 01:44:56 PM »
thats still a lot of terrorists...

i maybe should inform dad to start treating mum like shit and commit randon acts of violence instead of giving to charity and being a 'turn the other cheek' kinda guy.. :-\

You seem hurt, yet Debussey = only pointing out the obvious. Debussey never claimed this meant every muslim on the planet, but if you claim the problems Debussey mentioned in its post is not a result of Islam, then dream on.

Ps: Your sister is still a whore Junaid ;D

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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2008, 01:49:58 PM »
You seem hurt, yet Debussey = only pointing out the obvious. Debussey never claimed this meant every muslim on the planet, but if you claim the problems Debussey mentioned in its post is not a result of Islam, then dream on.

Ps: Your sister is still a whore Junaid ;D

well no shit its gonna pinch...of course it does..even though personally i dont believe in a god the rest of my family are muslim and i'm fiercly protective of them.

and of course i would be, i'd expect you to be fiercely protective of yours ....

is it a bad thing that i am protective of the ones i love?

extremism in islam and sharia law r a bastardization of the religion..but i'm in class and i cant really argue this at length..
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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2008, 01:53:35 PM »
well no shit its gonna pinch...of course it does..even though personally i dont believe in a god the rest of my family are muslim and i'm fiercly protective of them.

and of course i would be, i'd expect you to be fiercely protective of yours ....

is it a bad thing that i am protective of the ones i love?

extremism in islam and sharia law r a bastardization of the religion..but i'm in class and i cant really argue this at length..

If your family including your whore sister does not fit Debusseys description, then you have no reason to feel hurt.

The only problem is that both Sharia law AND extremism IS the way of the Koran..  the Koran speaks very clearly on the subject, regardless of your familys way of interpreting it or leaving out parts of it.

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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2008, 01:57:45 PM »


The only problem is that both Sharia law AND extremism IS the way of the Koran..  the Koran speaks very clearly on the subject, regardless of your familys way of interpreting it or leaving out parts of it.

apparently millions of muslims around the planet have it wrong and debussy has it right  :-\

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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2008, 02:09:40 PM »
apparently millions of muslims around the planet have it wrong and debussy has it right  :-\



Do you agree that the majority of muslims worldwide lives as Debussey said? Do you disagree with the Koran statements Debussey wrote? (If so, check with the Islam experts. Find a credible source that truly can dismiss all the "unfortunate" sures as irrelevant for muslims today)

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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2008, 03:03:40 PM »
Do you agree that the majority of muslims worldwide lives as Debussey said? Do you disagree with the Koran statements Debussey wrote? (If so, check with the Islam experts. Find a credible source that truly can dismiss all the "unfortunate" sures as irrelevant for muslims today)

man i actually wrote a long winded responce and when i hit post it took me to the sign on screen and i lost it  >:(
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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2008, 03:11:26 PM »
man i actually wrote a long winded responce and when i hit post it took me to the sign on screen and i lost it  >:(

 ;D

Hint: Make teh simple habit of copying teh text before posting. Getbug = fucking unstable >:(

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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2008, 03:20:01 PM »
Do you agree that the majority of muslims worldwide lives as Debussey said? Do you disagree with the Koran statements Debussey wrote? (If so, check with the Islam experts. Find a credible source that truly can dismiss all the "unfortunate" sures as irrelevant for muslims today)

I agree with you that there is a lot of problems in Islamic Countries, and there are a lot of backward Muslims, but if you would visit a "Muslim" country then you would see what the real problem is. Corruption and religious manipulation is used by the rich to suppress and brainwash the poor. I have friends (rich) from Iran and Pakistan, who tell me the abundance of alcohol, coke, parties, etc. A very similar problem is occurring in our country, and we should learn from the mistakes of Islamic countries.  The rich and the Jewish lobbying groups are able to manipulate the masses (the majority of whom are uneducated), through media outlets and control of published literature, to give a skewed, perverted, and pro - zionist view of the world. The majority of Americans still believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 and recently I saw a segment on CNN in which the majority of Americans could not even locate Afghanistan on a world map. Like Islam has been radicalized to benefit the few, our country may follow a very similar fate. Once again, everything you are saying is correct, but we must learn from other countries mistakes to prevent doing the same.

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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2008, 03:23:36 PM »
I agree with you that there is a lot of problems in Islamic Countries, and there are a lot of backward Muslims, but if you would visit a "Muslim" country then you would see what the real problem is. Corruption and religious manipulation is used by the rich to suppress and brainwash the poor. I have friends (rich) from Iran and Pakistan, who tell me the abundance of alcohol, coke, parties, etc. A very similar problem is occurring in our country, and we should learn from the mistakes of Islamic countries.  The rich and the Jewish lobbying groups are able to manipulate the masses (the majority of whom are uneducated), through media outlets and control of published literature, to give a skewed, perverted, and pro - zionist view of the world. The majority of Americans still believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 and recently I saw a segment on CNN in which the majority of Americans could not even locate Afghanistan on a world map. Like Islam has been radicalized to benefit the few, our country may follow a very similar fate. Once again, everything you are saying is correct, but we must learn from other countries mistakes to prevent doing the same.

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Good post. And Debussey has heard the exact same thing that you are saying about rich people in Iran, from people having personally witnessed this. 

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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2008, 03:28:05 PM »
;D

Hint: Make teh simple habit of copying teh text before posting. Getbug = fucking unstable >:(

man that pissed me off..i actually exclaimed in class " man ya gotta b fucking shitting me"..  :-[
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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2008, 03:28:14 PM »
Whenever I see/read something about Islam I think about debussey's opinion of muslims. It's weird...

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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2008, 03:30:29 PM »
Before 911 people did not give a shit about the atrocities committed towards women and so on in Islams name. Most people didn't know shit about the religion, nor teh "result of it".

About 7 years later, Islam is linked to horrible shit in the media every day, and the religions "bad seeds" both from practicing and in teh scriptures are being painted on peoples minds daily.

Within 2011, the worlds "Islam" and "Muslim" will be even more synonymous with stuff like terrorism, anti-progress, hostility towards everything not Islam and so on, and we've got a whole generation of people growing up with this stuff being thrown into their heads every day.
And the best thing we can do to let these negative aspects of the muslim world grow is to not be aware of what is going on, or not speak out about it.

After 10 years of constant anti-Islamic bombardment and threats against western values with terrorism and intolerance, the message will start to sink in. And although this might give rise to some fundamentalistic forces, it undoubtedly does NOT serve muslims in the long run. Their worst enemy is being visible, being criticized, and people seeing their actions and their beliefs for what they are 

Ps: Haidor, don't take offence, Debussey still loves ya  :D  And please, if somebody want's to claim that all these negative aspects of Islam =  a result of western oil interests, go fuck yourself. Islam ITSELF as it is interpreted (if you can interpret it otherwise?) today is the major issue, not western oil interests.

You are very well informed, King Debussey. Spoken like someone that knows what's up.

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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2008, 11:40:10 PM »
2.4 ish billion of em on this planet..

if all of em are really crazed suicide commiting woman beating terrorists..

you sir are fucked..  :-\

1) Your figures are wrong.
2) Islam is crazed, not individual muslims. Islam has inherent evils regardless of its followers. Take Nazi Germany as an example, what % actually committed atrocities? Your logical is flawed.

well no shit its gonna pinch...of course it does..even though personally i dont believe in a god the rest of my family are muslim and i'm fiercly protective of them.

and of course i would be, i'd expect you to be fiercely protective of yours ....

is it a bad thing that i am protective of the ones i love?

extremism in islam and sharia law r a bastardization of the religion..but i'm in class and i cant really argue this at length..

Blind protection of an ideology because of family?

So, protecting neo-Nazi's own white supremacism by family is also morally correct and justified? Interesting!

Prove to me that it is "bastardization". You made the statement, you back it up.

My rebuttal would be that the koran = the koran, and the sharia law it includes does in fact call for the suppression of women, suppression of their rights, death for apostasy and more features which are against humanity.

You have no basic understanding of islam, the koran or sharia law; yet continue the blind protection of this ideological DISEASE.
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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2008, 06:18:41 AM »
The religion of peace baby, the religion of peace!

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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2008, 07:56:13 PM »
1) Your figures are wrong.
2) Islam is crazed, not individual muslims. Islam has inherent evils regardless of its followers. Take Nazi Germany as an example, what % actually committed atrocities? Your logical is flawed.

Blind protection of an ideology because of family?

So, protecting neo-Nazi's own white supremacism by family is also morally correct and justified? Interesting!

Prove to me that it is "bastardization". You made the statement, you back it up.

My rebuttal would be that the koran = the koran, and the sharia law it includes does in fact call for the suppression of women, suppression of their rights, death for apostasy and more features which are against humanity.

You have no basic understanding of islam, the koran or sharia law; yet continue the blind protection of this ideological DISEASE.
LOL!!!!!!!!

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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2008, 12:52:03 AM »
LOL!!!!!!!!

ah I miss u nordick  ;D

Prove me wrong in my knowledge and rebuttals to the statements that I make.

You simply can't, so chose to berate.
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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2008, 07:40:39 AM »
Whenever we hear about terrorist actions in some form or way we think of muslims, as simple as that, and it is like that for most people in the west today.

(Again, to make this clear: Even though the muslim dogma is fucked up and stupid and ridiculous (as is the Bible and other religions, to a lesser degree), if you are a good muslim that tolerates and promotes equality between the sexes, that accepts gay rights, and that gives your kids freedom to chose whatever they want, and generally keep your religion to yourself and use it to strive to improve yourself and all that shit while not interpreting it to the letter and being somewhat critical to the fucked up writings in there, then good for you, YOU (not the shit you believe in, as you probably don't like Gary Busey either: Fuck you) have Debusseys respect.)

So FaggerSpermerHaider: You = still Debusseys little cutie pie  :-*

Along with this simple fact, the simple fact that Almost all terrorists = muslims is hot shit for the media today. Beneath the "politically correct surface", the media LOVES to write about muslims and terrorism in the same sentence, even though it's just implied and not explicitly stated, simply because its hot shit. 7 years ago, we did not read shit about muslims, oppression in muslim countries or terrorists linked to Islam, yet today, 7 years later, we read about it every day, and it's not like its gonna stop, its gonna get more.

So again, people thinking that Islams reputation and acceptance among the majority just grows stronger every day, stop and rethink your position a little bit. In just 7 years, the bad seeds of this religion got exposed and during the next 10 - 20 years the pressure will FORCE the contemporary ways to change, because the real thing that enables no change = no publicity and no urgency to change. Being in the spotlight = a great incentive.

Further on, Debussey thinks that these people are now being seen as an enemy by everyone, or at least they will be, because they threaten the very fabric of modern society. An external enemy like this unifies people, and that we see today, for example because different scandinavian newspapers prints Muhammed or Muhammedish images to show solidarity to eachother. This = a new trend, not seen 10 years ago. Further on, we see the hate against muslims or arabs increase. In Norwegian schools, many people of arab or persian appearance are being horassed as "terrorists", recent research says. Along with that, many employers in Norway DO NOT hire arab or arabian looking people simply because the occurrences of sexual harassment towards women are many times bigger with these people than with western people. The trends Debussey just pointed out has grown from very small to very big just since 911. Debussey does NOT agree with harassment of arab looking kids in schools by any means, but points it out as a CLEAR result of what is happening. Debussey DOES agree with the collective showing of solidarity in scandinavian countries, and not hiring people that has a stronger tendency for sexual harassment, whether you are green, white, black or a dog.

Addition: In Denmark, colored immigrants, and muslims in particular are having REAL bad times. VERY few people wants to hire them, and the rest of the population seriously hates them, at least a great majority, due to all the stupid behaviour from many individuals in these groups of people (trying to plot a murder against K.W, the artist behind the original Muhammed drawing: Come on!). Many immigrants and muslims now feels seriously isolated from society, and many wants to move to another country. Again, this has mainly happened during the last 7 years.


Debusseys conclusion: The west might have been slow to respond to the threat of the Islam ways, but the apologetic stuff won't last forever. Attack the west directly, and you have fucked up. For example, now that many people feel that the core of their freedom (freedom of speech) in scandinavia is being attacked, the "apologetic" stuff is quickly dying, and that is "Islams triumph card". Bombing a Danish embassy and stepping on the freedom of speech = a bad bad idea ;)

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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2008, 09:18:09 PM »
Debussey DF's concept of islam is clearly quite wrong! :o

The koran is the infallible word of god, muslims must believe this to be, well... a muslim.

Kind of like, if you think it an impossibility that a virgin gave birth to the son of God, but say you're a Christian, well... you're not ACTUALLY a Christian.

Haider cannot accept gay rights, otherwise he is a sinner and will burn in hell fire like every other non-muslim (as per the koran).

Oh, and haider, still waiting for the rebuttals to my statements...
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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2008, 06:13:58 AM »
Debussey DF's concept of islam is clearly quite wrong! :o

The koran is the infallible word of god, muslims must believe this to be, well... a muslim.

Kind of like, if you think it an impossibility that a virgin gave birth to the son of God, but say you're a Christian, well... you're not ACTUALLY a Christian.

Haider cannot accept gay rights, otherwise he is a sinner and will burn in hell fire like every other non-muslim (as per the koran).

Oh, and haider, still waiting for the rebuttals to my statements...


Debussey knows what you mean about staying true to the words of the Whoran, but this does not mean that every muslim will or does follow it to the letter. What Debussey meant by using the "a good muslim" words was not somebody who's living by teh whorans letters, but somebody that = able to live in a civilized modern society without behaving as an uncivilized backwards douchebag (thus, somebody that does NOT buy the dogmatic crap to the letter).

To put it simply: If you live every letter in the Whoran, then you are not civilized, and you can not by any stretch of imagination be suitable to live in a civilized modern society. (Thus, you HAVE to pick and choose).


How many christians today buys into all the ridiculous crap in the bible they are bound to follow?

Anyway, Islam = destructive, toxic and inferior, and everybody is seeing this more and more every day. Let us continue fighting for our cause ;D

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Re: The decade that thrashed Islams reputation (and rightfully so)
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2008, 08:29:50 AM »
How many christians today buys into all the ridiculous crap in the bible they are bound to follow?

Ridiculous crap such as?