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Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« on: June 05, 2008, 01:09:03 AM »
About time. Hang em high.   >:(

Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
Thursday, June 05, 2008

GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba —  Almost seven years after terrorists hijacked airliners and used them as missiles to kill 2,973 people, five men who allegedly plotted the attacks face a military tribunal Thursday.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the confessed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, will be arraigned simultaneously with four other detainees inside a high-security courthouse at the remote U.S. Navy base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Mohammed boasted of numerous attacks and plots against the United States in a closed military hearing last year, and the Al Qaeda kingpin and his confederates will be given the chance to speak out again in their war crimes trial, according to a top tribunal official, Air Force Brig. Gen. Tom Hartmann.

"In the course of trial they'll have opportunity to present their case, any way they want to present it subject to rules and procedures," Hartmann told The Associated Press. "That's a great freedom and a great protection we are providing to them. We think ... it is the American way."

The arraignment will launch the highest-profile test yet of a tribunal system that faces an uncertain future. The U.S. Supreme Court struck down an earlier system as unconstitutional in 2006, and is to rule this month on the rights of Guantanamo prisoners, potentially delaying or halting the proceedings.

And with less than eight months remaining in U.S. President George W. Bush's term, presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain both say they want to close the military's offshore detention center.

Dozens of U.S. and international journalists arrived at Guantanamo on Wednesday on a military plane from Andrews Air Force Base outside Washington, joining prosecutors, defense attorneys and observers who arrived earlier at the Navy base.

Mohammed and the four alleged coconspirators all face possible death sentences. They are expected to be seated Thursday morning at separate defense tables aligned in a row inside the prefab courthouse. Many of the participants and observers will stay nearby in tents erected on an abandoned airport runway as part of the "expeditionary" legal complex.

Family members of those killed on Sept. 11, 2001, wanted to attend, but the military said it was too difficult logistically to accommodate dozens more people. Instead, the military is planning to show the trial but not the arraignment on closed-circuit television to victims' families gathered on U.S. military bases.

"For transparency and to add legitimacy to the trial, they should have the loved ones there," said Dominic J. Puopolo, whose mother Sonia Morales Puopolo was a passenger on American Airlines Flight 11, the first jet that crashed into the World Trade Center.

Puopolo said he also wanted to see the defendants, especially Mohammed, who claimed he personally proposed the plot to Osama bin Laden.

"This is an architect of such pure evil," Puopolo told AP. "I want to see him eye to eye."

Hartmann told reporters Wednesday evening here that it was a "mistake" not to have invited a group of relatives of Sept. 11 victims for Thursday's hearing, and that an undetermined number would be allowed to come to future sessions.

Even without televised coverage of his arraignment — Mohammed's first public appearance since his capture in 2003 — the U.S. is taking a security risk by giving him an opportunity to spread Al Qaeda propaganda, said Benedetta Berti, a research fellow at Tufts University's Jebsen Center for Counter-Terrorism Studies.

"This is a very educated man," she said. "It is a risk because he could attack the U.S. in terms of international opinion and his audience is not just the international community, it is more specifically potential jihadists."

The tribunals, which Congress and the Bush administration resurrected after the 2006 Supreme Court ruling, have been mired in confusion over courtroom rules and dogged by delays. No detainee has been tried yet, although David Hicks was convicted through a plea bargain and allowed to serve a nine-month sentence in Australia.

Critics say men accused of such horrific crimes must be brought to justice, but in a way that shows the world that the U.S. has treated them fairly.

"While everyone seems to recognize that the time to bring those responsible for 9/11 to justice is long overdue, this needs to be done in a system that has credibility," said Jennifer Daskal of Human Rights Watch.

Hartmann insisted the trials will be fair even though the evidence may include coerced statements. He said defendants are allowed to see any evidence, even if it is classified, that goes before the jury.

Hartmann also sought to draw a distinction between the tribunals and the sometimes brutal U.S. detention and interrogation practices that have been condemned around the world.

"We are not Guantanamo, we are not Camp X-Ray, we are not Abu Ghraib," he said, referring to notorious holding centers at Guantanamo and Iraq. "We are the military commissions, uniformed officers on the prosecution and the defense, with established court procedures."

Attorney General Michael Mukasey also said Wednesday that the tribunals will be "in the best traditions of the American legal system" even though the military judges can consider hearsay evidence and confessions obtained through coercion, which aren't admissible in civilian courts. "Different situations call for different solutions," he said.

The four defendants due to appear with Mohammed are: Ramzi Binalshibh, said to have been the main intermediary between the hijackers and Al Qaeda leaders; Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali, known as Ammar al-Baluchi, a nephew and lieutenant of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed; al-Baluchi's assistant, Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi; and Waleed bin Attash, a detainee known as Khallad, who allegedly selected and trained some of the 19 hijackers.

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 06:10:17 AM »
ask them about the 100k that Atta received, 3 days before the attacks.

came from the same man who had breakfast with porter goss on the morning of 911.

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2008, 06:41:09 AM »
ask them about the 100k that Atta received, 3 days before the attacks.

came from the same man who had breakfast with porter goss on the morning of 911.

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2008, 10:27:04 PM »
Jun 5, 11:43 PM EDT

Accused 9/11 mastermind asks judge to be executed

By ANDREW O. SELSKY
Associated Press Writer

GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba (AP) -- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the reputed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, told a military judge at his arraignment Thursday that he welcomes the death penalty as a way to martyrdom and ridiculed the proceedings as an "inquisition."

In his first public appearance since his capture five years ago, Mohammed wore dark-framed prison-issue glasses, a turban and a bushy, gray beard, and was noticeably thinner - a stark change from the slovenly man with disheveled hair, unshaven face and T-shirt from the widely distributed photograph after his seizure in Pakistan.

He and four other detainees accused of plotting al-Qaida's 2001 attack were at turns cordial and defiant at their arraignment, the first U.S. attempt to try in court those believed to be directly responsible for killing 2,973 people in the bloodiest terrorist attack ever on U.S. soil. All five said they did not want attorneys and would represent themselves.

Their war-crimes tribunal is the highest-profile test yet of the military's tribunal system, which faces an uncertain future. It also threatens to expose harsh interrogation techniques used on the men, who were in CIA custody before being transferred to Guantanamo in 2006.

A sound feed to journalists from the courtroom was turned off twice. The first time, a soldier told reporters it was because a detainee was discussing a medication he had been given, which was a privacy issue.

But his defense attorney, Navy Cmdr. Suzanne Lachelier, told The Associated Press later that the prisoner had been discussing his five years as a prisoner of the United States.

The sound was also turned off when another defendant discussed early days of his imprisonment. Judge Ralph Kohlmann said that in both cases sound was turned off because classified information was discussed.

The arraignment, in which no pleas were entered, indicated that hatred for the United States among some of the defendants remains at a boil.

One defendant said he deeply regrets not joining the hijackers who crashed passenger airliners into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a Pennsylvania field.

"I have been seeking martyrdom for five years," said Ramzi Binalshibh, the alleged main intermediary between the 19 hijackers and al-Qaida leaders. "I tried for 9/11 to get a visa but I could not."

Asked if he understands that he could be executed if found guilty, Binalshibh said: "If this martyrdom happens today, I welcome it. God is great. God is great. God is great."

Calmly propping his glasses on his turban to peer at legal papers, Mohammed grinned at times and insisted he would not be represented by any attorneys. The other detainees quickly followed suit and said they too wanted to represent themselves.

One defense attorney said his client, Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi, was pressured by the other four to snub his defense team. Kohlmann then barred the detainees from talking with each other.

As the judge closed the session, which lasted nearly 10 hours with breaks, he asked the defendants to rise but they refused. He said he would set a trial schedule later.

The U.S. is seeking the death penalty for all five defendants, who sat at separate tables with their defense teams in a high-tech courtroom on this U.S. Navy base. Binalshibh's ankles were chained to the floor.

Mohammed was careful not to interrupt Kohlmann. He lost his composure only after the Marine colonel ordered several defense attorneys to keep quiet.

"It's an inquisition. It's not a trial," Mohammed said in broken English, his voice rising. "After torturing they transfer us to inquisition-land in Guantanamo."

The former No. 3 al-Qaida leader explained he believes only in religious "Sharia" law and railed against U.S. President George W. Bush for waging a "crusade war." The judge, wearing a crewcut and black robes, warned Mohammed that he faces execution if convicted of organizing the attacks on America. But Mohammed said he welcomes the death penalty.

"Yes, this is what I wish, to be a martyr for a long time," Mohammed declared. "I will, God willing, have this, by you."

One of the civilian attorneys he spurned, David Nevin, later told The Associated Press that he would attempt to meet with Mohammed to "hear him out and see if we can give him information that is helpful."

Mohammed said he would represent himself at his war crimes trial and two other detainees quickly followed suit: Binalshibh and Waleed bin Attash, who allegedly selected and trained some of the hijackers.

"It hardly comes as any surprise that after holding individuals in solitary confinement for five years and subjecting them to torture, these detainees would reject the legal system and offers to represent them," said Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union who was an observer at the hearing.

The Bush administration has acknowledged that Mohammed was subjected to harsh interrogation techniques including waterboarding - a technique that gives the sensation of drowning - in secret CIA custody before he was transferred to Guantanamo in 2006.

Mohammed is the most valuable al-Qaida official in U.S. custody and the central figure in a trial that will put the Pentagon's military tribunals under an intense spotlight. The tribunals have faced repeated legal setbacks, including a Supreme Court appeal on the rights of Guantanamo detainees that could produce a ruling this month halting the proceedings.

Defense attorneys harshly criticized the military commissions, which were declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 2006 before being resurrected in an altered form by Congress and President Bush.

"I think the American people, if they ... understood the ramifications in the long term to our Constitution, to their Constitution, I think they would be ashamed," Lachelier said outside the heavily guarded courtroom.

The defense attorney tried to raise another pending Supreme Court decision in the courtroom, on the benchmark when defendants can be allowed to represent themselves, but Kohlmann told her to keep quiet.

"What part of 'no' do you not understand?" the judge said, peering down from the bench. "Sit down."

Binalshibh's civilian attorney, Thomas Durkin, said the men should be tried in U.S. federal courts.

"We have had many terrorism cases in our federal court system," Durkin said. "I think it is a shame that for whatever reason the Bush administration has put on what we think is a show trial."

The military commissions plan to allow coerced testimony, although evidence obtained by torture is not allowed. Attorneys for Mohammed have said they will challenge evidence obtained through harsh interrogations.

Air Force Brig. Gen. Tom Hartmann, a top tribunal official, told reporters it was up to the judge to determine whether to allow as evidence statements obtained during waterboarding. Hartmann said waterboarding has not officially been classified as torture.

Mohammed said he was tortured after being captured in Pakistan in 2003 but didn't elaborate, indicating he understood he should not discuss it in the courtroom.

"I can't mention about the torturing," said Mohammed, who received an engineering degree from North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University. "I know this is the red line."

Kohlmann said he would try to minimize the chance that classified information will come out, in part by delaying closed-circuit video and audio of the proceedings by 20 seconds.

The defendants spoke with each other in Arabic, appeared to pass notes among them and at one point looked back and chuckled at reporters watching from behind a courtroom window.

All appeared to be in robust health except for al-Hawsawi, an alleged paymaster for some of the 19 hijackers. He looked thin and frail and sat on a pillow on his chair.

The other defendants are Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali, known as Ammar al-Baluchi, a nephew and lieutenant of Mohammed; and Waleed bin Attash, who allegedly selected and trained some of the hijackers.

About 35 journalists watched on closed-circuit TV in a press room inside a converted hangar, while two dozen others watched through a window from a room adjacent to the courtroom. No photographs were allowed inside the courtroom, but a sketch artist was allowed to draw the scene.

Mohammed saw the sketch made of him when it was given to the defense team and he complained that it made his nose look too big. The artist said she would alter the sketch accordingly.

With less than eight months remaining in Bush's term, presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain both say they want to close the military's offshore detention center.

Obama also opposed the Military Commissions Act, which resurrected the military commissions in 2006. McCain supported it.

(This version CORRECTS UPDATES with defense attorney quote. corrects that ACLU official was observera at hearing, sted in New York)
 
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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2008, 11:08:26 PM »
I agreed at first BB "hang em high" but they want to be made martyrs

lets not give them the satisfaction of thinking they are getting something they had already set for themselves...death

instead it seems nothingness is better

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2008, 11:10:38 PM »
Edmund Burke and Pitt the Younger were lovers. I heard they once had a torrid threesome with "Samuel Boswell Johnson."

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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2008, 11:12:57 PM »

Burke wrote that Pitt's buttocks were "sublime"

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2008, 11:13:30 PM »
bullshit

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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2008, 11:14:18 PM »
you can google it, or i can get it for you.  

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You really have a truck?

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2008, 11:17:05 PM »
bullshit

Quote
India helped FBI trace ISI-terrorist links

MANOJ JOSHI

TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ TUESDAY, OCTOBER 09, 2001  11:08:55 PM ]
EW DELHI: While the Pakistani Inter Services Public Relations claimed that former ISI director-general Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad sought retirement after being superseded on Monday, the truth is more shocking.

Top sources confirmed here on Tuesday, that the general lost his job because of the "evidence" India produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the World Trade Centre. The US authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the instance of Gen Mahumd.

Senior government sources have confirmed that India contributed significantly to establishing the link between the money transfer and the role played by the dismissed ISI chief. While they did not provide details, they said that Indian inputs, including Sheikh’s mobile phone number, helped the FBI in tracing and establishing the link.

A direct link between the ISI and the WTC attack could have enormous repercussions. The US cannot but suspect whether or not there were other senior Pakistani Army commanders who were in the know of things. Evidence of a larger conspiracy could shake US confidence in Pakistan’s ability to participate in the anti-terrorism coalition.

Indian officials say they are vitally interested in the unravelling of the case since it could link the ISI directly to the hijacking of the Indian Airlines Kathmandu-Delhi flight to Kandahar last December. Ahmad Umar Sayeed Sheikh is a British national and a London School of Economics graduate who was arrested by the police in Delhi following a bungled 1994 kidnapping of four westerners, including an American citizen.

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2008, 11:18:16 PM »
bullshit

Atta who also received a 100K wire transfer just before 9/11 from the head of Pakistani’s ISI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta#August_2001_final_plans_in_U.S.

The same man had breakfast with Goss on the morning of 9/11 in DC.

This name was deleted from the CSPAN and White house transcripts - so the 911 commissioners never got it.  However the CNN and FOXnews cameras picked it up just fine.  

A few of the 911 commissioners said later than they were very upset they weren't told of these transactions and sources, and blamed the white house for trying to put everyone on AQ without finding where the $ came from - paki and saudi sources.


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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2008, 11:24:26 PM »
I agreed at first BB "hang em high" but they want to be made martyrs

lets not give them the satisfaction of thinking they are getting something they had already set for themselves...death

instead it seems nothingness is better
agreed a lifetime of pointless manual labor in the middle of no where would be nice, a whole lot of move that pile of rocks over there and when your done move the pile back.

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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2008, 07:24:15 AM »
Big rocks into little rocks and little rocks into dust..or a pig farmers.... ;D
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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2008, 07:26:32 AM »
Why don't we try these guys in a US court?  Why didn't we try Hussein in a US court?

That's interesting.

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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2008, 07:35:28 AM »
Why don't we try these guys in a US court?  Why didn't we try Hussein in a US court?

That's interesting.

Let's let them crash in your place while were at it  ::)

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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2008, 07:46:40 AM »
They can give each other hugs and hold hands while Decker lets them know about their rights. We really need to stop with the whole taking prisoners thing.
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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2008, 07:57:43 AM »
Atta who also received a 100K wire transfer just before 9/11 from the head of Pakistani’s ISI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta#August_2001_final_plans_in_U.S.

The same man had breakfast with Goss on the morning of 9/11 in DC.

This name was deleted from the CSPAN and White house transcripts - so the 911 commissioners never got it.  However the CNN and FOXnews cameras picked it up just fine.  

A few of the 911 commissioners said later than they were very upset they weren't told of these transactions and sources, and blamed the white house for trying to put everyone on AQ without finding where the $ came from - paki and saudi sources.




This might sound somewhat hypocritical 240: Do you think that focusing on all these conspiracy theories all the time = the best way to go, when Islam (at least the most literal interpretations) posts a huge threat to the modern western civilization no matter if certain non-muslims played a small role in AQ uprising? 

If you have not been living under a rock, the problem of Islam is fuccing HUGE, and it covers a lot more ground than people blowing themselves up. Indirectly being apologetic against these medevil backwards stoneage fuckers (by not seeing the role Islam itself plays) = counterproductive to a progressive modern society.

Having western military out there killing AQ's, Talibans and other jackasses = great, but shutting the fucc up about it and just doing it silently (without screaming "war on terror" (when it's in reality war on literary interpreted Islam)) = teh best way to go.

Flame away 8)

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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2008, 08:00:15 AM »
Somebody gets it.... :)
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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2008, 08:02:52 AM »
it's not a conspiracy theory, debussey.  It's the source of funding for the attacks.  The white house chose not to follow the money.  It's akin to putting the hitman in jail, but not the guy who PAID the hitman.  But hey, if you're okay with the money men behind 911 still walking free, that's cool.

we're going to continue bombing the shit out of islamists, i have no doubt on that.  I'm all for pinkmisitng bad guys, and it seems we're doing a lot of it.  I'd personally cap ten dirty AQ terrorists then eat a ham sandwich.  I'm by no means a lib and by no means soft on the bastards.

I just wonder why so many people are soft on the money men behind the attacks.  Hmmmmm


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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2008, 08:23:20 AM »
it's not a conspiracy theory, debussey.  It's the source of funding for the attacks.  The white house chose not to follow the money.  It's akin to putting the hitman in jail, but not the guy who PAID the hitman.  But hey, if you're okay with the money men behind 911 still walking free, that's cool.

we're going to continue bombing the shit out of islamists, i have no doubt on that.  I'm all for pinkmisitng bad guys, and it seems we're doing a lot of it.  I'd personally cap ten dirty AQ terrorists then eat a ham sandwich.  I'm by no means a lib and by no means soft on the bastards.

I just wonder why so many people are soft on the money men behind the attacks.  Hmmmmm

It = still highly speculative, and unless solid proof = found, it goes under the definition of a conspiracy theory. (the idea that many important political events or economic and social trends are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.)

The problem with Islamists is that they are simply following their terrorist manual Whoran Koran. A few days ago they blew up a Danish embassy due to a few cartoons. The next time, they will use another excuse like Gay marrage or something else (Norway = in the process of allowing gay marrage right now). The problem with focusing too much on "the backmen" is that one ignores the main problem (Islam), especially when it's highly speculative.


And to be fuccing straight out here: The "being soft on the money men behind the attacks" comes from 2 reasons: 1: It is speculative at best, 2: no matter what, it created an incentive to go after these camel fuckers that = everybodys enemy.

We might be of differing opinions here, and as you say: That = cool. Debusseys main agenda is the promotion of a progressive modern world, and for that to happen, we must be united against these kinds of people and destroy them. That is kind of action = very difficult if one is caught up in speculative shit.. These fuckers will continue with their bombs for whatever reason that goes against their stone age dogma.


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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2008, 08:30:54 AM »
I agreed at first BB "hang em high" but they want to be made martyrs

lets not give them the satisfaction of thinking they are getting something they had already set for themselves...death

instead it seems nothingness is better

Yeah.  Good point.  That makes it a tougher decision, but I'd still like to see them fry.   >:(

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2008, 08:32:28 AM »
Why don't we try these guys in a US court?  Why didn't we try Hussein in a US court?

That's interesting.

Because they're enemy combatants. 

We didn't try Hussein.  We did the right thing by letting his own country mete out justice. 

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2008, 08:52:08 AM »
Because they're enemy combatants. 

We didn't try Hussein.  We did the right thing by letting his own country mete out justice. 



Hahahah.  You mean the puppet govt we set up over there?....pointless.  We hung saddam and he had no WMDs at all.     He was no saint but neither is bush for allowing 3000 americans to die for his qwest for legacy....oh yeah 4000 and counting today also...

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2008, 10:41:45 AM »
you can google it, or i can get it for you.  

Will you wash my truck when I post it?

provide your own sponge. i wouldn't want the rust and primer to scrape mine up.

your idea of evidence and mine are 2 opposite things. im a law enforcement officer. i believe in guilty before proven innocent. ive arrested people who have been found innocent. which is why i believe this way.

posting links to god knows what website is no good for me. putting fourth major accusations requires major evidence.

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2008, 10:44:27 AM »
Let's let them crash in your place while were at it  ::)
That's funny.  But this is where thinking comes into play.  Why the necessity in creating an entirely new military legal bureacracy for these crimes?

I mean we already have the laws on the books to do the job. 

You have any idea why?