1999 British GP

[NarcissisticDeity]

I am pointing out to ND (who only looks at the scores) that a quick glance at the stage shows that Ronnie should NOT have lost the prejudging.

you don't dominate from the back like that, while being comparable from the front, and deserve to lose.

ND feels that all scoring by all judges is accurate and true.

no one else in this sport does.

Moron Jay was just as big and a LOT drier from ANY ANGLE thats exactly why he won the prejudging . regardless of how much better Ronnie's back is

and don't tell me I only look at the scorecards thats another cop-out by you I look at EVERYTHING not just back shots   

bottom line Ronnie didn't DOMINATE Jay in 2001 sorry kid thats a lie and a naive one at that

[Camel Jockey]

That's all angle, he's hitting the shot the same exact way (incorrectly) as in the shot above. Coleman's side chest simply was not the best on any given day despite the fact that he had the thickest pecs. Too bad he couldn't pose correctly (or without porno music  )

He stills owns most even when hitting the pose incorrectly.

Narcisstic Diety and his cronies (cigaretteman, eng_1) stinking up another thread.

[candidizzle]

lol hulkster and ND you guys are fucking hilarious..


jay was harder in 2001 but should that count? since diuretics were banned that year and jay took three different potent diuretis while, for all we know, the most potent diuretic ronnie toook was "expel" from mhp  

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol hulkster and ND you guys are fucking hilarious..


jay was harder in 2001 but should that count? since diuretics were banned that year and jay took three different potent diuretis while, for all we know, the most potent diuretic ronnie toook was "expel" from mhp 

Yes being harder & drier counts and should count now if you want to play with legalities Ronnie used a prop during his posing and used multi-colored posing trunks both are illegal in the IFBB so should he lose the whole contest because of that? of course not

[NarcissisticDeity]

He stills owns most even when hitting the pose incorrectly.

Narcisstic Diety and his cronies (cigaretteman, eng_1) stinking up another thread.

Pointing out Coleman can't effectively hit the side chest shot ( a point which you agree with ) isn't ' stinking up the thread ' that pointing out the obvious and its the Nutt-Huggers who will agree he sucks as posing and then go on the offensive lol great logic they agree but they still need something to bitch about

hey they're looking for revenge what are you going to do?

[candidizzle]

i agree but i dont think its fair to compair teh two...but even when you do compare the two it is very close even despit that advantage to jay....   i think here it is... tie from the front, tie form the side, but ronnie wins from the back...   jay is dryer and sharper, but ronnie has more seperations and muscl maturaty and slightly better x frame...   so ronnie takes it closely even with his disadvantage in the diuretic department

[NarcissisticDeity]

i agree but i dont think its fair to compair teh two...but even when you do compare the two it is very close even despit that advantage to jay....   i think here it is... tie from the front, tie form the side, but ronnie wins from the back...   jay is dryer and sharper, but ronnie has more seperations and muscl maturaty and slightly better x frame...   so ronnie takes it closely even with his disadvantage in the diuretic department

of course its fair to compare the two , despite his flaws compared to Ronnie he was just as big , harder & drier that almost all of the judging criteria , just because Ronnie does have more separations , and a better x-frame and a better back doesn't mean he should win when's he's behind in density & hardness

to say Ronnie DOMINATED Jay in 2001 is simply a lie and not accurate it was a very close contest and Ronnie was lucky

[candidizzle]

well in my book the difference in conditioning was made up for by the disparity's in seperation, muscle development from the back, and over all x frame...

you just have to throw all the pros and all the cons ono a scale and see who ends up with less total weight (if cons were positive weight and pros were negative weight) and judge it with all things considered

[Hulkster]

doesn't mean he should win when's he's behind in density & hardness

yeah, geeze, look how far behind he is..

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

well in my book the difference in conditioning was made up for by the disparity's in seperation, muscle development from the back, and over all x frame...

you just have to throw all the pros and all the cons ono a scale and see who ends up with less total weight (if cons were positive weight and pros were negative weight) and judge it with all things considered

Again Jay has strengths over Ronnie that shouldn't be negated but the judging criteria calls for muscular bulk , density & dryness , balance & proportion , posing & presentation and more contests are won because one guy is hard & drier than the other which was the case in 2001 , now I'm not saying Jay should have won just based on that but to say Ronnie dominated his is just garbage.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yeah, geeze, look how far behind he is..

 

He is and the fact you don't think he is shows just how little you know , please pay attention ONE can be striated and still be holding water , one can be separated and still be holding water , you just can't seem to grasp this ( your own version of density  ) overall Jay was harder & drier just as big has better balance & proportion which is why he won the pre-judging

[hipolito mejia]

Great post ! and true Levrone is doing a proper side chest you can barely see Coleman's pecs

Levrone is not doing a "proper" side chest arms and delts over power his chest...he's just doing it better than Ronnie there.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Levrone is not doing a "proper" side chest arms and delts over power his chest...he's just doing it better than Ronnie there.

Yes he is doing it properly and see Coleman for delts that overpower his pecs thats obvious !

[NeoSeminole]

None of that has to do with Ronnie's inability to pose correctly , both James and Chris are doing the shot correctly Ronnie it doesn't matter what angle its taken from or if he twists his torso or not his side chest shot was never a great shot for him its old news.

angle has a lot to do with it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

angle has a lot to do with it.

Again he's still not doing it correctly he's twisting his torso . his side chest isn't spectacular its old news

same contest his delts obscure his pecs , he doesn't pull back like he's supposed to he has long arms and a short torso which contribute to his side chest not being great you may like it and thats fine but its not textbook and its not great

[The Master]

This was probably the best contest in the history of the sport.

Shiit, wtf is going on there? Ronnie = speaking coherently without any mumbling

[Iceman1981]

You agree with my point that Ronnie can't pose so whats the problem? and there are variations of the side chest that don't include holding the wrist ( see the Yates pic )

Are you reading anything that is posted? Ronnie hits the pose a little weird, but Ronnie doesn't fully hit the pose until he holds onto his hand or wrist which he is clearly not doing in the original pic.

First pic, he is not holding his wrist. Second pic, he is holding his wrist and is actually hitting the pose better. I'm not saying Ronnie poses perfect, but atleast I tell it like it is when I see a pic.

Why is this statement so hard for you to understand? I've said it for the third time now. If you don't get it by now, then you never will.

[sgt. d]

Milos looked like a small child.

[sgt. d]

I think Kevin hits the pose much better....but I think the best side chest pose DONE PROPERLY goes to Shawn Ray

someone post a pic?

Shawn Ray spent hours posing. The guy knows his stuff.

[sgt. d]

Different contest , same result

Shawn looks sick in this picture

[Iceman1981]

Shawn Ray spent hours posing. The guy knows his stuff.

Ray does know his stuff. He is one of the best at it.

[NeoSeminole]

Again he's still not doing it correctly he's twisting his torso . his side chest isn't spectacular its old news

same contest his delts obscure his pecs , he doesn't pull back like he's supposed to he has long arms and a short torso which contribute to his side chest not being great you may like it and thats fine but its not textbook and its not great

wow, you are hardheaded as f*ck! You claimed that Ronnie's side chest was never a great shot. So I posted a pic of him from the front to show that he looks impressive from a certain angle. Why then did you post a shot of him from the back? What was that supposed to prove? I can post pics of a bodybuilder from an unflattering angle too.

[hipolito mejia]

This is what we call a side most muscular



he was the best bb but if im judging that show, and ask for a side chest and you give me "that" ill mark u down plain and simple... even if youre my son!!!!!

[England_1]

wow, you are hardheaded as f*ck! You claimed that Ronnie's side chest was never a great shot. So I posted a pic of him from the front to show that he looks impressive from a certain angle. Why then did you post a shot of him from the back? What was that supposed to prove? I can post pics of a bodybuilder from an unflattering angle too.

Judges look from straight on, in case you didn't know 

[NarcissisticDeity]

wow, you are hardheaded as f*ck! You claimed that Ronnie's side chest was never a great shot. So I posted a pic of him from the front to show that he looks impressive from a certain angle. Why then did you post a shot of him from the back? What was that supposed to prove? I can post pics of a bodybuilder from an unflattering angle too.

Oh jesus kid its old news his side chest leaves a lot to be desired did you miss this quote?

Ronnie�s side chest leaves a lot to be desired when compared to people who can actually hit it right like Dexter and Jay.

get it? his side chest sucks compared to people who can actually hit it right you may thing its fine & dandy but that doesn't change the fact