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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #125 on: June 07, 2008, 12:22:46 PM »
Are you reading anything that is posted? Ronnie hits the pose a little weird, but Ronnie doesn't fully hit the pose until he holds onto his hand or wrist which he is clearly not doing in the original pic.

First pic, he is not holding his wrist. Second pic, he is holding his wrist and is actually hitting the pose better. I'm not saying Ronnie poses perfect, but atleast I tell it like it is when I see a pic.

Why is this statement so hard for you to understand? I've said it for the third time now. If you don't get it by now, then you never will.

He may hit the pose a ' little weird ' he still doesn't hit it correctly thats the bottom line and his hands isn't connected yet but there is nothing different between the pics just him twisting his torso .

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #126 on: June 07, 2008, 12:23:42 PM »
Judges look from straight on, in case you didn't know  :-\

yeah its called the side chest shot for a reason.

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #127 on: June 07, 2008, 12:38:07 PM »
Judges look from straight on, in case you didn't know

wow, really!?! No shit, dumbass. Tell that to ND who kept posting shots of 03 Ronnie from the side during prejudging to show his gut. ;) My point is that posting unflattering pics of Ronnie hitting the side chest doesn't prove he looks unimpressive in that pose. ND posted shots of him in transition or from the back. I can do the same and make a bodybuilder look mediocre, including Dorian Yates. This doesn't prove anything.

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #128 on: June 07, 2008, 12:40:00 PM »
I find it rather funny how whenever Ronnie loses (including the whole 01 prejudging to Jay) that it's politics or that it's incorrect. Yet, whenever he wins it's perfectly fine and perfect judging  ::)
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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #129 on: June 07, 2008, 12:43:08 PM »
Oh jesus kid its old news his side chest leaves a lot to be desired did you miss this quote?

you mean like how you missed these quotes? Why should I listen to your silly quote when you ignore the words of numerous professional bodybuilders, magazine writers, and IFBB officials? ;)

It's kind of funny that the top bodybuilders who competed against both yates and Ronnie during their prime state that Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, but none of them except for Lee Priest say that yates is. I have never seen quotes from anyone stating that yates is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. I've asked the yates fan club to even post 3 quotes from bodybuilders, experts, etc. stating this, but they won't do it. Here are the best bodybuilders, experts, writers, etc  stating the obvious:



Greatest/ Best/Most Dominant/ Mr. Olympia/Bodybuilder/Physique Of All-Time

1) Flex stating that Ronnie is the most biggest, hardest, shredded bodybuilder in history. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

2) Jean Pierre Fux stating that Ronnie has the best physique ever. Jean has competed against both guys:

"Jean Pierre Fux - http://www.criticalbench.com/Jean-Pierre-Fux.htm

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

3) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia stating that Ronnie has presented a physique that could not be equaled (which also means that Ronnie has surpassed "everyone", that includes your hero yates):

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

4) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website for the 2000 Mr. Olympia

"Many people in the sport have also talked about the fact that Ronnie Coleman may be the best Mr. Olympia ever!"

5) George De Pirro Flex Senior Editor Says that Ronnie is the most dominant pro bodybuilder of all-time:

FLEX Article talking about bodybuilding (Ronnie Coleman) from 96-06 Mr. O

"Anyone who denies Coleman's dominion over the past decade is truly kidding himself."

"The fact that the two contests under consideration basically bookend his reign at the top further solidifies his claim as the most dominating pro bodybuilder of all time."


6) Ron Harris says that Ronnie is tied with Haney as the greatest Mr. Olympia ever:

Ronnie Coleman - Bodybuilder Profile - 8X Mr. Olympia
A living legend in our sport
By Ron Harris
http://www.bodybuilderprofiles.com/ronnie-coleman.htm

"280-pound Ronnie emerged triumphant and joined Haney as the greatest Olympia champion ever."

7) Steve Blechman states that Ronnie is the greatest Mr. Olympia of all-time:

MD, page 44, Feb. 04, -Steve Blechman: "Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"

8) MR. OLYMPIA: EXPECTING THE UNEXPECTED
By: SHAWN PERINE
http://www.flexonline.com/news/245

"The man many consider the greatest bodybuilder who’s ever lived (Cutler himself has paid Coleman such a tribute) will no doubt squeeze every last ounce of potential from his superannuated self in his fight to regain his supremacy."

9) BACK TO WORK
http://www.flexonline.com/training/97

"He’s still, in the estimation of many, the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

10) Dan Soloman on Ronnie Coleman 2003 at the 2004 Mr. Olympia:
   
“Last year Ronnie Coleman presented what we thought was the most extraordinary overall package in the history of the sport.”

11) Ben Weider – 2005 Mr Olympia:

“Ronnie Coleman will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time.”

12) Allan Donnelly  - Flex Issue November 2007 – Day In The Life Of Ronnie Coleman:

“In bodybuilding there has been no greater champion than Ronnie Coleman.”

“But he emerged – seemingly from nowhere - as perhaps the most dominant force the sport has ever seen.”

“I can’t help but wonder if the man who could be remembered as the greatest bodybuilder in history has one more great performance yet to give.”

13) Flex Wheeler at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie is the biggest, hardest and most complete Mr. Olympia that ever walked the stage. Ronnie will go down as far as right now, unless somebody topples him in eight years. He’s the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time. I find it very hard to believe that somebody to be able to super exceed that.

14) Dave Palumbo at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie Coleman is the greatest Mr. Olympia champion of All-Time. He has the most career wins.”

15) Dan Soloman & Gunter Schlierkamp at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“We are watching arguably the greatest bodybuilder of All-time compete possibly in his final contest.”

“Ronnie Coleman at his very best was the greatest bodybuilder to ever live and it’s going to be a long time until someone comes along and prove other wise.

Gunter Schlierkamp: Yes.”

16) David Robson - 2007 Mr. Olympia Review:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson315.htm

“Not the perfect ending for Ronnie but he will leave the sport secure in the knowledge that he is the greatest pro bodybuilder ever to grace the stage.”

17) Bob Cicherillo - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Show #90, October 1, 2007:

“What we just witnessed was history in the making. Ronnie would stop short of saying that he is the greatest of All-Time. I actually took that opportunity to say, you know what Ronnie, you can say it man. You are the best bodybuilder of All-Time.”

18) Written by Raymond Cassar - 2007 Muscletime Olympia Report

http://www.muscletime.com/news/latest/2007-mr-olympia-analysis/

“First I need to get one thing out of the way: There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best – No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic).”

19) Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005

“Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack.”

20) FLEX ARTICLE - O CONTENDERS READY FOR BUSINESS

“Cutler, meanwhile, spoke about his bold promise to shave his famous head of hair if he loses and even called Coleman "the greatest bodybuilder of all time"

21) Flex Team – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49

“We’ve said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which you won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable.”

21) Is Ronnie the Greatest Flexer of them all?

By Lonnie Teper   MD December 2005

I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras;
(Then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian.)
Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage
could have beaten Coleman.
So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs-
you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes-but Coleman has really taken it to the next
level, as all magnificent conquerors do.

Quote, Joe Weider:

  "Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."

Eryk Bui:
Invincible Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman is the best of all time.

Victor Martinez:
He's the best ever...All past Olympians had something missing. But not Ronnie; he has everything.

Mike Matarrazo:
"Yeah, he's he's the best that's ever lived. I don't know what the future holds, but he's certainly the best I've ever seen in my lifetime.

Quincy Taylor: He's built up past the point of anything I've ever seen.

Melvin Anthony: Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Absolutely! He's in a class by himself.

Toney Freeman asked the same..
For Sure! He's at the top of the food chain.

Branch Warren: Yes, He's the best ever.

Capriese Murray:
Yeah, Definately. None of the past Mr. Olympias could possibly match his size and conditioning.

Craig Richardson:  Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Yes. He didn't have the greatest body 10 years ago, now he's the best in the world.

Stan McCrary: Yes, He's the best ever.

Chris Cormier: I'd say back in 98-99 he was the best ever.

Aaron Baker: Yes, He's the best ever. He has produced a package that has yet to be surpassed.

Don Long: I am going to have to say yes he is the best ever.

Ron Harris: I think Ronnie is the best Mr. O ever.

Greg Valentino: Ronnie Coleman is the greatest bodybuilder ever.

Joe McNeal: Yes, He's the best ever. Without a doubt! That shouldn't even be a question.

King Kamali: Yes, Ronnie is the best Mr. O of all time, period!

Charles Glass: As of right now, Ronnie is the best of all time.

Dorian Yates: I think it's a little hard for me to comment as I think I am the greatest ever! (Laughs)"

Interesting Note during this question:
There were a couple of others who said Arnold or hinted at Haney but only one said Yates,
and that was the man himself.


Ryan Mackie - My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com):

"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."

Paul Dillet stating that Ronnie has set standards that no one can measure up to. (yates name not even mentioned)

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Sergio or Flex and now Ronnie."


Bob Cicherillo - PBW "2007 Olympia Prediction Show!" Show #89, September 24, 2007
     
 "When we talk about Ronnie Coleman, we almost have to talk about him as different versions of Ronnie. You got the 1998 & 2001 version of Ronnie. At 100% there's not a soul on this planet or any other that can touch him. He would walk out on that stage, dominate everybody and walk away with his 9th Sandow."

Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004

"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."


Melvin Anthony - 09/18/2007 OLYMPIA COUNTDOWN Part 1

“Ronnie is in a league by himself”


David Robson on Ronnie Coleman 2006 Mr. Olympia Preview:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson204.htm

“It has been said many times that Ronnie is in a class of his own”


Craig Titus on Ronnie Coleman Mr. Olympia 2003 Preview:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dan11.htm

“Ronnie is an absolute freak of nature both on stage and in the gym. If anyone would like to argue with that, please feel free to purchase his training tape and see exactly what a freak does. Never have I seen such strength when it comes to a pro bodybuilder. Now on stage Ronnie has everything he needs to blow the competition away. He's in a class all by himself, period! No one and I mean NO ONE is even remotely close to the amount of muscle he carries and the density at which he carries it. Now we could go body part by part, but still he's the man with legs, shoulders, arms, delts, chest, he has them all beat. The only body part that he could get beat on is his calves.”


Myron Mielke on Ronnie Coleman:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mielke29.htm

“Why not save the best for last? Ronnie has brought several looks to the stage through his bodybuilding career. Many agree his best look was at his Arnold Classic win in 2001. In 2003 he blew everyone away with the most incredible size and conditioning ever seen in a bodybuilding competition.”


Milos Sarcev - FLEX  Issue September 2000:

FLEX Magazine Question: “In a line up of freaks, can the aesthetics of your physique earn you a better than your 10th-place finish last year?”

Milos Sarcev: “Absolutely. I’m looking forward to the 2000 Mr. Olympia because the contest is wide open – with the exception of first place, of course, which is occupied by the one bodybuilder who is both a mass monster and extremely symmetrical and aesthetic. Other than Ronnie, no one is unbeatable.”

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #130 on: June 07, 2008, 12:48:05 PM »
here is Ronnie holding his own next to the owner of perhaps the best side chest of all-time.


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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #131 on: June 07, 2008, 12:48:58 PM »
when Ronnie fully hits the side chest, he doesn't look bad considering he's standing next to the owner of perhaps the best side chest of all-time.



Still NOT the correct way to hit a SC.


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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #132 on: June 07, 2008, 12:50:58 PM »
Still NOT the correct way to hit a SC.

no doubt. I'm not making excuses for Ronnie's pitiful posing. I'm just saying he doesn't look as bad as some people make it seem. He has the chest thickness to pull of that style of posing. Anyone else would look flat.

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #133 on: June 07, 2008, 12:53:34 PM »
you mean like how you missed these quotes? Why should I listen to your silly quote when you ignore the words of numerous professional bodybuilders, magazine writers, and IFBB officials? ;)


I never dismissed them moron I don't have a problem with people who claim Ronnie is the greatest of all-time

( boy that backfired lol ) and what does that have to do with Ronnie's side chest? Ummmm nothing

and the irony of you claiming anyone is ignoring quotes you're the genius who claimed Ronnie was an idiot for going on record as saying he couldn't beat Yates  ;) his opinion doesn't matter but everyone elses does lol great logic


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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #134 on: June 07, 2008, 12:56:16 PM »
here is Ronnie holding his own next to the owner of perhaps the best side chest of all-time

He's holding his own  ::) its NOT about holding his own its about posing effectively & correctly neither of which he is doing and the best part is you morons agree with me lol yet you have this compulsion to defend him

Ronnie's side chest shot sucks period. you may like it but like his side triceps shot it is lacking compared to other people Ronnie looks great in front & back shots even his 1/4 turns suck

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #135 on: June 07, 2008, 12:57:26 PM »
no doubt. I'm not making excuses for Ronnie's pitiful posing. I'm just saying he doesn't look as bad as some people make it seem. He has the chest thickness to pull of that style of posing. Anyone else would look flat.

It doesn't look ' bad ' it just doesn't look as good as other peoples its that simple all of his side shots suck in my opinion .

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #136 on: June 07, 2008, 12:57:59 PM »
It was a joke, Ronnie LEVROWNING Kevin himself, you idiot.

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uh yeah i could clearly see that was what he was saying you simpleton, but I see a levrOWNING when I look at that pic

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #137 on: June 07, 2008, 12:58:32 PM »
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uh yeah i could clearly see that was what he was saying you simpleton, but I see a levrOWNING when I look at that pic

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #138 on: June 07, 2008, 01:00:35 PM »
I have to admit he would look pretty silly hitting the side chest shot that way due to his structure...


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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #139 on: June 07, 2008, 01:03:05 PM »
I never dismissed them moron I don't have a problem with people who claim Ronnie is the greatest of all-time

ha ha ha, lame attempt at using semantics to cover your ass. The quotes I posted are talking about Ronnie's physique - NOT his total number of professional wins.

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what does that have to do with Ronnie's side chest? Ummmm nothing

I called you out for choosing which quotes to accept and ignore. You ignored 40 quotes that disagree with you but posted 1 that agrees with you. ::)

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and the irony of you claiming anyone is ignoring quotes you're the genius who claimed Ronnie was an idiot for going on record as saying he couldn't beat Yates his opinion doesn't matter but everyone elses does lol great logic

how is that ironic? I already told you I wouldn't quote Ronnie to defend my position even if he said he was the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. Ronnie isn't exactly a reliable source.

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #140 on: June 07, 2008, 01:06:40 PM »
I have to admit he would look pretty silly hitting the side chest shot that way due to his structure...



Right one of the reasons Arnold's side chest is so outstanding is his deep rib-cage , Ronnie has a short torso and long arms thats a bad combo Haney had a short torso but his side chest was fantastic

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #141 on: June 07, 2008, 01:16:34 PM »
ha ha ha, lame attempt at using semantics to cover your ass. The quotes I posted are talking about Ronnie's physique - NOT his total number of professional wins.

I called you out for choosing which quotes to accept and ignore. You ignored 40 quotes that disagree with you but posted 1 that agrees with you. ::)

how is that ironic? I already told you I wouldn't quote Ronnie to defend my position even if he said he was the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. Ronnie isn't exactly a reliable source.

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ha ha ha, lame attempt at using semantics to cover your ass. The quotes I posted are talking about Ronnie's physique - NOT his total number of professional wins.

Man you're simple I don't need to cover my ass and again the irony of you who loves to play with words saying I need to use semantics lol your logic like Ronnie's side chest leaves a lot to be desired and funny how you think both are ok lol

the quote you posted are most certainly about his number of Olympia wins , number of professional wins and his physique COMPARED to HIS contemporaries and again who has he faced?

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I called you out for choosing which quotes to accept and ignore. You ignored 40 quotes that disagree with you but posted 1 that agrees with you. ::)

See Neo lie , see Neo FAIL I NEVER ignored any of those quotes thats another Neo lie ( among others ) I've addressed every single one of those quotes time & time again I don't need to run from anything you type and the one quote that agrees with me is the one that matters the most and why? because its the person that the 40 is referring too  ;)

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how is that ironic? I already told you I wouldn't quote Ronnie to defend my position even if he said he was the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. Ronnie isn't exactly a reliable source.


because aside from Coleman you've already dismissed reliable sources ( Yates , IFBB judges , Bev Francis , Peter McGough , Shawn Perine ) as all wrong and you the " Certified Personal Trainer " right again you're doing exactly of what you're accusing me of that makes you a hypocrite and a not very bright one at that

And Ronnie isn't reliable because he lied about injuries  ::) he had a motivation to lie about that , he didn't have any motivation to lie about Dorian beating him even though it may be true or not . you're under this delusion Coleman is unbeatable and the posts you quote back that up against the ho-hum competition he faced but there is a very good reason why Coleman doesn't think he could beat Yates a very , very good reason .  ;)

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #142 on: June 07, 2008, 01:24:51 PM »
I find it rather funny how whenever Ronnie loses (including the whole 01 prejudging to Jay) that it's politics or that it's incorrect. Yet, whenever he wins it's perfectly fine and perfect judging  ::)

Thats the idiot-logic these guys are working with and its fun to point it out.  :)

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #143 on: June 07, 2008, 01:29:59 PM »
Right one of the reasons Arnold's side chest is so outstanding is his deep rib-cage , Ronnie has a short torso and long arms thats a bad combo Haney had a short torso but his side chest was fantastic

There is a pic from the 70's of a R Robinson side chest...I swear its so impressive it rivals Arnold's seen here!

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #144 on: June 07, 2008, 01:49:14 PM »
Man you're simple I don't need to cover my ass and again the irony of you who loves to play with words saying I need to use semantics lol your logic like Ronnie's side chest leaves a lot to be desired and funny how you think both are ok lol

actually, you do need to cover your ass b/c you're wrong in this case. ;)

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the quote you posted are most certainly about his number of Olympia wins , number of professional wins and his physique COMPARED to HIS contemporaries and again who has he faced?

the majority of quotes address Ronnie's physique as the greatest of all-time. Take for example, this quote from the founder of the IFBB.

Joe Weider:

"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."

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See Neo lie , see Neo FAIL I NEVER ignored any of those quotes thats another Neo lie ( among others ) I've addressed every single one of those quotes time & time again I don't need to run from anything you type and the one quote that agrees with me is the one that matters the most and why? because its the person that the 40 is referring to

bullshit. You run away like a coward from the quotes and ignore them for good reason. Show me where you addressed them b/c all I saw was you claim they are referring to his number of wins, which is untrue.

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because aside from Coleman you've already dismissed reliable sources ( Yates , IFBB judges , Bev Francis , Peter McGough , Shawn Perine ) as all wrong and you the " Certified Personal Trainer " right again you're doing exactly of what you're accusing me of that makes you a hypocrite and a not very bright one at that

show me where I dismissed them. ;)

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And Ronnie isn't reliable because he lied about injuries he had a motivation to lie about that , he didn't have any motivation to lie about Dorian beating him even though it may be true or not . you're under this delusion Coleman is unbeatable and the posts you quote back that up against the ho-hum competition he faced but there is a very good reason why Coleman doesn't think he could beat Yates a very , very good reason .

Ronnie has contradicted himself, lied about his injuries, and believes he should have won in 06. The same guy you quote on who would win has proven he can't judge IFBB contests. ;)

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #145 on: June 07, 2008, 02:00:56 PM »
actually, you do need to cover your ass b/c you're wrong in this case. ;)

the majority of quotes address Ronnie's physique as the greatest of all-time. Take for example, this quote from the founder of the IFBB.

Joe Weider:

"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."

bullshit. You run away like a coward from the quotes and ignore them for good reason. Show me where you addressed them b/c all I saw was you claim they are referring to his number of wins, which is untrue.

show me where I dismissed them. ;)

Ronnie has contradicted himself, lied about his injuries, and believes he should have won in 06. The same guy you quote on who would win has proven he can't judge IFBB contests. ;)

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actually, you do need to cover your ass b/c you're wrong in this case. ;)

the majority of quotes address Ronnie's physique as the greatest of all-time. Take for example, this quote from the founder of the IFBB.

Joe Weider:

"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."

Again I do not have to cover shit again its perfectly fine everyone may think Ronnie is the best for a hosts of reasons it doesn't matter what matters is Ronnie's take on this subject and we all know how he feels  ;)

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bullshit. You run away like a coward from the quotes and ignore them for good reason. Show me where you addressed them b/c all I saw was you claim they are referring to his number of wins, which is untrue.

I've never ran away from ANYTHING you ever typed or anyone else I don't have to I know what I'm talking about thats the difference between you and I , every quote YOU posted or Iceman has post or Hulkster and pumpster has been dismantled , addressed , corrected and dismissed . and the quotes are commenting on the amount of wins , how he faired against his competition and the amout of pro wins and yes how many THINK he is the best physique ever it doesn't mean its true

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show me where I dismissed them. ;)

See the truce thread  ;)

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Ronnie has contradicted himself, lied about his injuries, and believes he should have won in 06. The same guy you quote on who would win has proven he can't judge IFBB contests. ;)

again he had a motivation to lie about injuries and great job avoiding my question what motivation did he have to lie about Dorian beating him? still waiting for the answer and funny the same guy who does judge IFBB contests (Dorian ) you dismissed epic irony  ;)

run along now .

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #146 on: June 07, 2008, 03:02:31 PM »
Neo I'm going to do you a favor because I'm feeling generous I'm going to respond to all those quotes ( again )

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Greatest/ Best/Most Dominant/ Mr. Olympia/Bodybuilder/Physique Of All-Time

1) Flex stating that Ronnie is the most biggest, hardest, shredded bodybuilder in history. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

This is a flat out wrong , Ronnie was not the most dominant Mr Olympia and you're quoting a guy who had Ronnie first after the pre-judging of the 2007 Mr Olympia lol I'll leave that one in park right where it is

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2) Jean Pierre Fux  stating that Ronnie has the best physique ever. Jean has competed against both guys:

"Jean Pierre Fux - http://www.criticalbench.com/Jean-Pierre-Fux.htm

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

This is a LIE because he's NOT stating Ronnie has the best physique ever he's stating probably ( you may want to pay attention to this word ) his opinion I don't have a problem with that

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3) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia stating that Ronnie has presented a physique that could not be equaled (which also means that Ronnie has surpassed "everyone", that includes your hero yates):

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

This was in reference to the 2003 Mr Olympia and it was stating directly to HIS competition at that particular contest NOT ever contest ever held thats ridiculous

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4) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website for the 2000 Mr. Olympia

"Many people in the sport have also talked about the fact that Ronnie Coleman may be the best Mr. Olympia ever!"

Maybe you missed the words " MAY BE " that doesn't mean a thing

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5) George De Pirro Flex Senior Editor  Says that Ronnie is the most dominant pro bodybuilder of all-time:

FLEX Article talking about bodybuilding (Ronnie Coleman) from 96-06 Mr. O

"Anyone who denies Coleman's dominion over the past decade is truly kidding himself."

"The fact that the two contests under consideration basically bookend his reign at the top further solidifies his claim as the most dominating pro bodybuilder of all time."

Flat out wrong and the fact you cling to these dumb claims show how desperate you are , Coleman never dominated like Haney or Dorian thats a fact and anyone who knows competitive bodybuilding know it is

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6) Ron Harris  says that Ronnie is tied with Haney as the greatest Mr. Olympia ever:

Ronnie Coleman - Bodybuilder Profile - 8X Mr. Olympia
A living legend in our sport
By Ron Harris
http://www.bodybuilderprofiles.com/ronnie-coleman.htm

"280-pound Ronnie emerged triumphant and joined Haney as the greatest Olympia champion ever."

Talk about desperation Ron Harris says lol the best part is Ron Harris is specifically mentioning Ronnie is the greatest Olympia champion ever why? ........................ .....because of the amount of you guessed it ....Olympia wins lol

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7) Steve Blechman  states that Ronnie is the greatest Mr. Olympia of all-time:

MD, page 44, Feb. 04, -Steve Blechman: "Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"

Wow another quality quote lol his opinion I don't have a problem with it

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Cool MR. OLYMPIA: EXPECTING THE UNEXPECTED
By: SHAWN PERINE
http://www.flexonline.com/news/245

"The man many consider the greatest bodybuilder who’s ever lived (Cutler himself has paid Coleman such a tribute) will no doubt squeeze every last ounce of potential from his superannuated self in his fight to regain his supremacy."

MANY Not all and why? Olympia wins , pro wins and Perine didn't say he was he said ' the man many ' nice try with this one , add this to the list of junk fluff

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9) BACK TO WORK
http://www.flexonline.com/training/97

"He’s still, in the estimation of many, the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

estimation of MANY doesn't mean all and doesn't mean its true and again in what CONTEXT? pro wins , Olympia wins? if thats the case I don't have one bit of a problem with that statement

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10) Dan Soloman  on Ronnie Coleman 2003 at the 2004 Mr. Olympia:
   
“Last year Ronnie Coleman presented what we thought was the most extraordinary overall package in the history of the sport.”

extraordinary overall package I disagree with that statement for a couple of reasons see density & dryness , see balance & proportion and see posing & presentation thats overall

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11) Ben Weider  – 2005 Mr Olympia:

“Ronnie Coleman will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time.”

See CONTEXT , why? because of pro win and Olympia titles ? sure because he has the best physique ever shown ever thats very much open for debate

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12) Allan Donnelly  - Flex Issue November 2007 – Day In The Life Of Ronnie Coleman:

“In bodybuilding there has been no greater champion than Ronnie Coleman.”

“But he emerged – seemingly from nowhere - as perhaps the most dominant force the sport has ever seen.”

“I can’t help but wonder if the man who could be remembered as the greatest bodybuilder in history has one more great performance yet to give.”

again flat out wrong most dominant force the sport ever seen lol thats garbage period . and the greatest bodybuilder in history in what context? see a pattern here?

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13) Flex Wheeler at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie is the biggest, hardest and most complete Mr. Olympia that ever walked the stage. Ronnie will go down as far as right now, unless somebody topples him in eight years. He’s the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time. I find it very hard to believe that somebody to be able to super exceed that

Same guy who claimed he won the 99 Olympia and see above from Flex

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14) Dave Palumbo at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie Coleman is the greatest Mr. Olympia champion of All-Time. He has the most career wins.”

wow stating the obvious lol Greatest Mr Olympia ever ( 8 straight ) and the most career wins ! more fluff

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15) Dan Soloman & Gunter Schlierkamp  at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“We are watching arguably the greatest bodybuilder of All-time compete possibly in his final contest.”

“Ronnie Coleman at his very best was the greatest bodybuilder to ever live and it’s going to be a long time until someone comes along and prove other wise.

do you know what arguably means? they were being kind as well Ronnie's last contest and again its their opinion I don't have a problem with that

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16) David Robson - 2007 Mr. Olympia Review:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson315.htm

“Not the perfect ending for Ronnie but he will leave the sport secure in the knowledge that he is the greatest pro bodybuilder ever to grace the stage.”

Again context ? see a pattern here? most Olympia wins , most pro wins I agree the greatest ever . best physique ever in the history of bodybulding lol I disagree

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17) Bob Cicherillo - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Show #90, October 1, 2007:

“What we just witnessed was history in the making. Ronnie would stop short of saying that he is the greatest of All-Time. I actually took that opportunity to say, you know what Ronnie, you can say it man. You are the best bodybuilder of All-Time.”

see above and keep looking for a pattern because you'll find one

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18) Written by Raymond Cassar  - 2007 Muscletime Olympia Report

http://www.muscletime.com/news/latest/2007-mr-olympia-analysis/

“First I need to get one thing out of the way: There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best – No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic).”

His opinion and entitled to it ( whoever the fuck he is and you're posting this as proof lmfao and hey what happened to 1999 Olympia? ) a lot of people feel Ronnie's best showing and the best of anyone , I disagree for a host of reasons

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19) Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005

“Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack.”

contender Dorian Yates and this statement as later amended lol

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20) FLEX ARTICLE - O CONTENDERS READY FOR BUSINESS

“Cutler, meanwhile, spoke about his bold promise to shave his famous head of hair if he loses and even called Coleman "the greatest bodybuilder of all time"

again see above same shit different post , more filler to hide lack of real content

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21) Flex Team – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49

“We’ve said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which you won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable.”

Doesn't mean it is but a lot of people feel it may be

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21) Is Ronnie the Greatest Flexer of them all?

By Lonnie Teper   MD December 2005

I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras;
(Then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian.)
Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage
could have beaten Coleman.
So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs-
you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes-but Coleman has really taken it to the next
level, as all magnificent conquerors do.

I don't have a problem with that statement his opinion and many people feel Dorian is the ONE person who could beat Ronnie

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Quote, Joe Weider:

  "Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."

doubling up on the same quotes lol see filler

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Eryk Bui:
Invincible Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman is the best of all time

why? I need a context and it doesn't mean he is

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Victor Martinez:
He's the best ever...All past Olympians had something missing. But not Ronnie; he has everything.

laughable Ronnie has everything lol the balls of you to post this as proof of anything lol

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Mike Matarrazo:
"Yeah, he's he's the best that's ever lived. I don't know what the future holds, but he's certainly the best I've ever seen in my lifetime.

in 2003 he also claimed Yates may go down in history as the best ever he's very kind to bodybuilders

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Quincy Taylor: He's built up past the point of anything I've ever seen

what the fuck is this? more fluff why bother?

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Melvin Anthony: Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Absolutely! He's in a class by himself.

and why? pro wins , Olympia wins ? physique? his opinion

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Toney Freeman  asked the same..
For Sure! He's at the top of the food chain.

more nonsense that doesn't prove anything

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Branch Warren: Yes, He's the best ever.

see above

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Capriese Murray:
Yeah, Definately. None of the past Mr. Olympias could possibly match his size and conditioning.

flat out wrong period , Dorian's level of size , density & dryness is unmatched even by Coleman

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Craig Richardson:  Asked if Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder ever..
Yes. He didn't have the greatest body 10 years ago, now he's the best in the world.

what year is this quote from? I'd love to know and best in the world currently sure has nothing to do with anyone previously

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Stan McCrary: Yes, He's the best ever.

That sums it up lol

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Chris Cormier: I'd say back in 98-99 he was the best ever.

his opinion I don't have a problem with that !

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Aaron Baker: Yes, He's the best ever. He has produced a package that has yet to be surpassed.

see above and his package was lacking in several areas compared to Dorian

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Don Long: I am going to have to say yes he is the best ever.

His opinion he's entitled to it doesn't mean its true

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Ron Harris: I think Ronnie is the best Mr. O ever.

see above

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Greg Valentino: Ronnie Coleman is the greatest bodybuilder ever.

Why you could quote this guy lol see above I don't have a problem with ANYONE who feels Ronnie is the greatest ever

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Joe McNeal: Yes, He's the best ever. Without a doubt! That shouldn't even be a question.

Who? anyway see above

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King Kamali: Yes, Ronnie is the best Mr. O of all time, period!

Again why? what context? and see above its all fluff & filler see argument ad populum if you think this collection counts for anything in reality

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Charles Glass: As of right now, Ronnie is the best of all time.

see above

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Dorian Yates: I think it's a little hard for me to comment as I think I am the greatest ever! (Laughs)"

Why would you post this? he's saying he doesn't think Ronnie is the greatest ever WTF and this statement doesn't make him right or wrong

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Interesting Note during this question:
There were a couple of others who said Arnold or hinted at Haney but only one said Yates,
and that was the man himself.

Arnold has already said Flex Wheeler was the greatest ever , doesn't make it true or right

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Ryan Mackie  - My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com):

"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."

See this is what I'm talking about you post this shit as proof and it blows up in your face ! what he's saying is true Ronnie did take it to another level but the remarks about him being unbeatable are in comparison to his competitors and NOT everyone else in the history of bodybuilding , 2003 wasn't even close to being Ronnie's best Paul Dillet  stating that Ronnie has set standards that no one can measure up to. (yates name not even mentioned)

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Paul Dillet  stating that Ronnie has set standards that no one can measure up to. (yates name not even mentioned)

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Sergio or Flex and now Ronnie."

Wow so he didn't mention Yates so he must not have raised the bar lol and Yates was previous to Ronnie do how could he measure up?

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Bob Cicherillo  - PBW "2007 Olympia Prediction Show!" Show #89, September 24, 2007
     
 "When we talk about Ronnie Coleman, we almost have to talk about him as different versions of Ronnie. You got the 1998 & 2001 version of Ronnie. At 100% there's not a soul on this planet or any other that can touch him. He would walk out on that stage, dominate everybody and walk away with his 9th Sandow."

Again he's commenting on the current crop and how NO ONE competing at that time could beat 98/01 Ronnie notice he said in that early conditioning he would walk on stage and dominate everyone ( Cutler , Dexter , Victor etc ) has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates

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Dexter Jackson  - Flex, January 2004

"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."

again more bullshit in reference to his competition in 2003 and NOT anyone else this is why you think if you avalanche a lot of quotes people will be lost in the nonsense see fail this has jack shit to do with Dorian Yates

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Melvin Anthony - 09/18/2007 OLYMPIA COUNTDOWN Part 1

“Ronnie is in a league by himself”

He was and ironically he still lost what does that tell you?

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David Robson  on Ronnie Coleman 2006 Mr. Olympia Preview:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson204.htm

“It has been said many times that Ronnie is in a class of his own”

DIRECTLY compared to HIS competition in 2006 this is another useless quote this has NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates more garage

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Craig Titus  on Ronnie Coleman Mr. Olympia 2003 Preview:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dan11.htm

“Ronnie is an absolute freak of nature both on stage and in the gym. If anyone would like to argue with that, please feel free to purchase his training tape and see exactly what a freak does. Never have I seen such strength when it comes to a pro bodybuilder. Now on stage Ronnie has everything he needs to blow the competition away. He's in a class all by himself, period! No one and I mean NO ONE is even remotely close to the amount of muscle he carries and the density at which he carries it. Now we could go body part by part, but still he's the man with legs, shoulders, arms, delts, chest, he has them all beat. The only body part that he could get beat on is his calves.

see above more bullshit in reference to his competition in 2003 ( shakes head )

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Myron Mielke  on Ronnie Coleman:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mielke29.htm

“Why not save the best for last? Ronnie has brought several looks to the stage through his bodybuilding career. Many agree his best look was at his Arnold Classic win in 2001. In 2003 he blew everyone away with the most incredible size and conditioning ever seen in a bodybuilding competition.”

fuck me this is sickening already lol more shit concerning his competition in 2001 and 2003 has absolutely dick to do with Yates

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Milos Sarcev - FLEX  Issue September 2000:

FLEX Magazine Question: “In a line up of freaks, can the aesthetics of your physique earn you a better than your 10th-place finish last year?”

Milos Sarcev: “Absolutely. I’m looking forward to the 2000 Mr. Olympia because the contest is wide open – with the exception of first place, of course, which is occupied by the one bodybuilder who is both a mass monster and extremely symmetrical and aesthetic. Other than Ronnie, no one is unbeatable.”

This quote is odd because he's not saying Ronnie is unbeatable lol why the fuck would you post this shit? lol and did Yates compete in 2000? I don't think so











Most of these quotes are in reference to his competition in various years , a lot say he's the greatest Mr Olympia ever ( most wins and most Olympias ) and a few more believe he had the best physique ever shown on a pro stage which is okay but it doesn't make it true

this was an exercise is stupidity just see argument ad populum which states just because an opinion is popular DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE and the funny part is the MINORITY judge contests ( 13 ) and how does the man in question feel when posed the question on is Dorian could beat him? you know the guys ALL of these people who says is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time? lol

I wont embarrass you any further ......next .  ;)

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #147 on: June 07, 2008, 03:13:08 PM »
Ive seen Ronnie hit the side chest pose in person.....honestly his legs is what you notice the most....they are insane

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #148 on: June 07, 2008, 04:02:05 PM »
Neo I'm going to do you a favor because I'm feeling generous I'm going to respond to all those quotes ( again )


Looks like you still can't read by the way that you replied to each quote.

It seems you have an excuse for every single pro-Ronnie quote and none for the pro-yates quotes. Let's see, you just completely disagreed with almost all of the great bodybuilders during yates and Ronnie's prime. I'll take the opinions of those bodybuilders, experts, writers, etc. over some internet nimrod who thinks he KNOWS IT ALL. If that doesn't spell out DENIAL, then what does. PATHETIC.

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Re: 1999 British GP
« Reply #149 on: June 07, 2008, 05:03:15 PM »
damn narcissistic deity has no life at all