1999 British GP

[Emmortal]

Ronnie was not aesthetic LMFAO. Aesthetic was Flex Wheeler, and it didn't help him one bit. Mr. Olympia is the best combination of mass and conditioning. Flex never had that, Kevin never had it, and never did Shawn Ray. No one could really compare to Dorian in both aspects combined.

This should pretty much end the discussion about Dorian being any bigger, more aesthetic,  or thicker in the back department than Coleman.



Sorry, but that just sums it all up.  Coleman>Yates.  I still love ya Dorian, but he was beat when it comes down to it.

[Emmortal]

Gotta respectively disagree about Wheeler being more aesthetic than Coleman.  From the '99 O.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6615/17mx4.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9318/16rx5.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6654/87866453po1.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/4452/92377325gk5.jpg

[bigbobs]

Flex is aesthetic. Ronnie was not.

This is England_1's definition of "aesthetic"  

[NeoSeminole]

I've addressed every one of those time & time again you're full of shit period ! you have no argument at all you keeping posting thinking that proves you're right and then you post some nonsense how you can now rest on your laurels LMMFAO no you can't for a damn good reason you keep trying to prove to ME you're right I don't have to prove anything to you hence why I don't post in the truce thread anymore and you guys are so pissed I can do what you can't you now have been reduced to following ME around trying to prove to ME you're right.

no, you haven't addressed any of them. You realized that you are wrong. So now you're avoiding responding to my counter-arguments.

[England_1]

This is England_1's definition of "aesthetic" 

I never said Yates was aesthetic. Not sure why you are bringing that up except to knock Yates. The Mr. Olympia title has nothing to do with aesthetics. It is simply all about the best combination of mass and condition. Haney, Yates, and Coleman were never the most aesthetic or even close to it, yet they still won all the titles.

[bigbobs]

I never said Yates was aesthetic. Not sure why you are bringing that up except to knock Yates. The Mr. Olympia title has nothing to do with aesthetics. It is simply all about the best combination of mass and condition. Haney, Yates, and Coleman were never the most aesthetic or even close to it, yet they still won all the titles.

England_1:  I have no reason to try to knock Yates.  I actually like Dorian, I think he had one of the greatest physiques ever, just not as good as Ronnie or Nasser, and in 96-97 not even as good as Levrone, Ray or Wheeler.  The only reason I get involved from time to time in these threads is because I think it's ludicrous how you guys try to argue that he was better than Ronnie overall, and claim that he looks better in pictures where he is clearly being owned, or try to dismiss pictures as being irrelevent since "you had to be there" 

Anyway, can you pleaes answer the question I posted earlier:  "Question:  Why is it that Dorian takes the most heat for getting gift-titles of all former Mr. Olympia winners?  ND and England_1 seriously think that is just the result of fan-boys, bias/ignorant people, etc.?     How come no one argues that half or more of Ronnie's wins were gifts and can back it up with pictures?  Same for Haney, any Mr. Olympia winner?  Dorian is the only one can be adequately questioned over half or more than half of his wins."

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, you haven't addressed any of them. You realized that you are wrong. So now you're avoiding responding to my counter-arguments.

I'm sure you believe that , I'm sure you believe 2003 is Ronnie's ' prime ' and Ronnie has better conditioning than Dorian , I have no doubts you believe that . I like to entertain other peoples opinion I enjoy talking about competitive bodybuilding its why I post here I gave your opinion a shot I listened to everything you ever typed and I cam to the overwhelming conclusion you're ignorant about competitive bodybuilding and the novelty of exposing your nonsense has worn off , to sum it up you bore me

you like to play with words you're a blatant hypocrite and you really don't know much about how competitive bodybuilding is judged and what to look for they say ignorance is bliss you must be the happiest guy on GetBig 

[Iceman1981]

pics mean nothin i was at both those contests and dorian looks 20 times better in person ronnie looks just as good as pics as he does in real life

Please, give me a break with this bs about yates looking 20 times better in person and Ronnie doesn't.

Photos Don’t Do Ronnie Justice:

1) Mike Mattarazo on Ronnie 2002 Mr. Olympia. Mike has competed against both guys in their prime:
   
"Freak of nature. Pictures and television doesn't do him justice. You have to stand next to this guy to see how much beef is on this dude."


2) All in a Night's Work - http://www.flexonline.com/news/61
 
“As for the contest itself, few seem to dispute Ronnie's dominance, even many of his fellow competitors. For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It's difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron's level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”

[NarcissisticDeity]

aethetics, in general, is everything.  aesthetics takes into account shape symetry size definiton conditioning muscle maturity...aesthetics is the overall look of the body...

dorian had mass and he had grainyness... other than that he had nothing

his body was ugly, plain nd simple. mr olympia should not have an ugly physqiue.



ronnie coleman was VERY aesthetic  when hitting the poses ever year except 2004, 2006, and 2007... every other year when he hit the poses he had the big x frame and all the right curves cuts had the the look...    gut distension does not = poor aesthetics...sorry..

aesthetics in general is NOT everything and stop typing the same shit like its different criteria definition is conditioning and aesthetics has nothing to do with size one can be aesthetic and small and aesthetic and massive , symmetry is part of aesthetics and you need to have great muscle balance & proportion which Ronnie doesn't , the hallmarks of an aesthetic physique is delts , calves and abdominals Ronnie is missing two of these now he does have better ' shape ' than Dorian however that has nothing to do it because almost everyone had better ' shape ' than Dorian

your comment that Dorian had mass and graininess and thats all is again ignorant , he had great size great balance & proportion coupled with great density & dryness he didn't need an aesthetic physique to beat everyone who did

now your opinion now Mr Olympia should have an ' ugly ' physique lol look no further than Coleman 98 with bitch tits and looking pregnant this is aesthetic? I know you don't think a gut makes a less than aesthetic physique but the IFBB does hence they made a rule for it I think because of Ronnie

again you don't know much about competitive bodybuilding you sure don't know anything of you think Ronnie was aesthetic lol what numbers was he on Flex's list again of the top 20 most aesthetic physiques? lol

[Hulkster]

I see ND is getting raked across by everyone yet again, ignoring all the points against him and ignoring the bloody obvious concerning dorian's 'perfect score' wins despite him getting owned by just about everyone in many front shots across all years...

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Please, give me a break with this bs about yates looking 20 times better in person and Ronnie doesn't.

Photos Don’t Do Ronnie Justice:

1) Mike Mattarazo on Ronnie 2002 Mr. Olympia. Mike has competed against both guys in their prime:
   
"Freak of nature. Pictures and television doesn't do him justice. You have to stand next to this guy to see how much beef is on this dude."


2) All in a Night's Work - http://www.flexonline.com/news/61
 
“As for the contest itself, few seem to dispute Ronnie's dominance, even many of his fellow competitors. For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It's difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron's level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”

You're to emotional to post on here lol the guy gives his opinion and you jump down his throat lol its like you were there either lol

[NeoSeminole]

damn, ND is getting owned in yet another thread.

[Hulkster]

can you? seriously

no he can't.

thats why he has to make up total bullshit about dorian looking better in person but that no one else does..

 

its the only way he can possibly justify it..

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

I see ND is getting raked across by everyone yet again, ignoring all the points against him and ignoring the bloody obvious concerning dorian's 'perfect score' wins despite him getting owned by just about everyone in many front shots across all years...

 

I can see you're still melting down whenever an eyewitness just stomps the living shit out of your opinion 

Hulkster you'll always be stuck in cries of politics and excuses Dorian owns the ab-thigh & front latspread NO ONE is owning him in these shots nevermind the side shots and back shots so as usual keep contradicting people who were actually there  like the judges

[NarcissisticDeity]

no he can't.

thats why he has to make up total bullshit about dorian looking better in person but that no one else does..

 

its the only way he can possibly justify it..

 

Oh yeah its not like IFBB judges never said the same , or writers and other fans lol everyone is lying 

[NarcissisticDeity]

damn, ND is getting owned in yet another thread.

I see Neo is still looking for my attention 

[NeoSeminole]

I find it funny that Dorian lost to Lee Haney who had more size and better shape even though Dorian edged him out in conditioning. Ronnie has the same advantages over Dorian that Lee Haney did, yet ND is too dumb to realize this and still believes that Dorian would win.

[Hulkster]

Oh yeah its not like IFBB judges never said the same , or writers and other fans lol everyone is lying 

yes they did.

the judges were instructed by Uncle Joe. Why else can any reputable judge say that a horribly torn bi was 'barely noticable'. Was that judge fucking blind? no, but he was doing as he was told.

the writers and fans were not, hence the widespread criticism of dorian in magazines (non-wieder) during the mid 90's and wide spread criticism all over the internet for obvious reasons today.

thanks for proving exactly his point.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes they did.

the judges were instructed by Uncle Joe. Why else can any reputable judge say that a horribly torn bi was 'barely noticable'. Was that judge fucking blind? no, but he was doing as he was told.

the writers and fans were not, hence the widespread criticism of dorian in magazines (non-wieder) during the mid 90's and wide spread criticism all over the internet for obvious reasons today.

thanks for proving exactly his point.

Politics , politics . politics its all you have

did the Uncle Joe instruct the judges in 2001/2002/2004? no in fact Ronnie ' dominated ' lol

as usual you just have conspiracy theories and excuses , eyewitnesses , writers and judges all say Yates looks 20X better in person , Hulkster says they're all wrong lol

Hulkster = dummy

[NarcissisticDeity]

I find it funny that Dorian lost to Lee Haney who had more size and better shape even though Dorian edged him out in conditioning. Ronnie has the same advantages over Dorian that Lee Haney did, yet ND is too dumb to realize this and still believes that Dorian would win.

Dorian actually beat the heavier Haney in the muscularity round when he was 10 pounds lighter  Dorian wasn't anywhere near his prime he invited Haney to compete in 1993 and he would have crushed him even at less than 100% Dorian still did damage ! Haney was untouchable for years until the ' blocky white guy ' came along and I love how you're always trying to play connect the dots lol

[NeoSeminole]

Dorian actually beat the heavier Haney in the muscularity round when he was 10 pounds lighter

whooop-tee-f*cking-doo!!!! Dorian still lost to Lee Haney for all the same reasons that he would lose to Ronnie Coleman.

[Hulkster]

Politics , politics . politics its all you have

did the Uncle Joe instruct the judges in 2001/2002/2004? no in fact Ronnie ' dominated ' lol

as usual you just have conspiracy theories and excuses , eyewitnesses , writers and judges all say Yates looks 20X better in person , Hulkster says they're all wrong lol

Hulkster = dummy

god damn you are stupid.

you are actually saying that THIS was 'barely noticable"?

 

this is your politcal evidence right here idiot:

for a judge to say that, well, thats all the proof you need:

[NarcissisticDeity]

whooop-tee-f*cking-doo!!!! Dorian still lost to Lee Haney for all the same reasons that he would lose to Ronnie Coleman.

Again I'm sure you believe this just like you believe 2003 was ' prime ' lol

[NeoSeminole]

This should pretty much end the discussion about Dorian being any bigger, more aesthetic,  or thicker in the back department than Coleman.

I made that comparison along with several others. Here's another one.



here are some comparisons of them with Ronnie at a lighter bodyweight.

[NarcissisticDeity]

god damn you are stupid.

you are actually saying that THIS was 'barely noticable"?

 

this is your politcal evidence right here idiot:

for a judge to say that, well, thats all the proof you need:

Sure and the judges said ( now pay attention dummy ) it made NO overall difference what so ever . no overall get it? ok lets say Dorian should have not one with a perfect score simply because of the torn bicep in the front double biceps shot , he's still going to won every other shot lol

spare me the politics you're the last one who has a right to claim this nonsense especially after 2001/2002