So who's voting for Ralph Nader in Nov?

[loco]

Ron Paul won't be an option, and all you have left is nothing except Obama vs. McCain.   

http://www.votenader.org/issues/

Adopt single payer national health insurance

Cut the huge, bloated, wasteful military budget

No to nuclear power, solar energy first

Aggressive crackdown on corporate crime
and corporate welfare

Open up the Presidential debates

Adopt a carbon pollution tax

Reverse U.S. policy in the Middle East

Impeach Bush/Cheney

Repeal the Taft-Hartley anti-union law

Adopt a Wall Street securities speculation tax

Put an end to ballot access obstructionism

Work to end corporate personhood

[Dos Equis]

You never know.  He could play spoiler again, like he did in 2000.

[Deicide]

Ron Paul won't be an option, and all you have left is nothing except Obama vs. McCain.   

http://www.votenader.org/issues/

Adopt single payer national health insurance

Cut the huge, bloated, wasteful military budget

No to nuclear power, solar energy first

Aggressive crackdown on corporate crime
and corporate welfare

Open up the Presidential debates

Adopt a carbon pollution tax

Reverse U.S. policy in the Middle East

Impeach Bush/Cheney

Repeal the Taft-Hartley anti-union law

Adopt a Wall Street securities speculation tax

Put an end to ballot access obstructionism

Work to end corporate personhood

Jebus will.

[loco]

Jebus will.

Deicide, you're obsessed with Jesus, aren't you?  If I didn't know better, I'd think you are a fundy nut case.   

[War-Horse]

I think by november people will be drastic in the need for change.  Obamas got it secured now that he just attended his bilderburg meeting this week.   He will have the approval and will get into office easily.

[loco]

I think by november people will be drastic in the need for change.  Obamas got it secured now that he just attended his bilderburg meeting this week.   He will have the approval and will get into office easily.

Isn't that what many said about John Kerry in 2004?  I'm hearing the same thing today that I heard as the 2004 election neared.  People hated Bush, were tired, in need of change and John Kerry was going to have an easy win.  Then I saw my Democratic friends from the US depressed and in disbelief after Bush won, again.

[Hedgehog]

Who are you voting for loco?

[youandme]

Who are you voting for loco?

WWJD

[loco]

Who are you voting for loco?

If I were an American Citizen, I would have voted for Ron Paul to be the Republican candidate.  Since it looks like Ron Paul won't be an option in Nov.  I would probably vote for some independent candidate.

Who would you vote for, Hedgehog?

[loco]

WWJD

I don't know.

[Hedgehog]

If I were an American Citizen, I would have voted for Ron Paul to be the Republican candidate.  Since it looks like Ron Paul won't be an option in Nov.  I would probably vote for some independent candidate.

Would you vote for Ralph Nader?

[loco]

Would you vote for Ralph Nader?

Maybe I would...maybe I would.  If Americans really want change, why do they keep voting Democratic and Republican when there are other options?  Didn't Ron Paul run as Libertarian once, but the American people did not elect him as president.  I would definitely vote for Ron Paul if he ran as independent.

Who would you vote for, Hedgehog?  Would you vote for Ralph Nader?

[Hedgehog]

Reason is because usa is basically usa is a 2 party system. I dont know how much you know about the political system in usa, but it effectively eliminates any smaller parties. They cant get into the house because with a few local exceptions, you need to win the majority of the votes in that particular district. So voting for anyone but either of the 2 big ones wont really matter. It may damage McCain if Paul gets votes, and nader can spoil for obama. But to come on this board like you are and try 'selling' nader is just dishonest. Youre not even behind him. I think its just tragic how the public is forced to pick from 2 choices. Undemocratic.     

[loco]

But to come on this board like you are and try 'selling' nader is just dishonest. Youre not even behind him.

 

Where do you get that I am 'selling' Nader?  How do you know I would not vote for him were I an American citizen?  Nader is a candidate just like Obama and McCain and I'm just curious as to who is voting for him in November.

If I'm "not even behind him" and if I am "selling" Nader at the same time, what have I got to gain from this?

What's the matter, Hedgehog?  You got some hatred toward Nader that you lost it when I posted this?  You do not want people to know that Nader is running, where he stands on issues, who Nader is and what Nader has accomplished for the American people?  You do not want people to vote for Nader?

Who would you vote for, Hedgehog?  Would you vote for Ralph Nader?

Hedgehog, will you be so kind as to please, with sugar on top, answer my questions as I have kindly answered yours?

[loco]

BUMP for answers from Hedgehog

[Hedgehog]

BUMP for answers from Hedgehog

You asked why americans keep voting Democrat or Republican.

I think I've answered that already.

There are plenty of other "options", like Nader, like the Socialist party, et al.

But none that will actually count in an election.

Let me put it like this: Who would you vote for: McCain or Nader?

[loco]

You asked why americans keep voting Democrat or Republican.

I think I've answered that already.

You did not answer any of my other questions on this thread, while I've answered yours.  You know the questions that you refuse to answer.

There are plenty of other "options", like Nader, like the Socialist party, et al.

But none that will actually count in an election.

Let me put it like this: Who would you vote for: McCain or Nader?

What?  You are going to keep asking me more questions without answering mine?  Hedgehog, this isn't the Religion board and I am not STella.  I've seen how you play this stupid game with her, and I don't have the patience she has.  So please, answer my questions if you expect me to answer yours.  Please stop with the childish games if you expect me to take you seriously.

Where do you get that I am 'selling' Nader?  How do you know I would not vote for him were I an American citizen?  Nader is a candidate just like Obama and McCain and I'm just curious as to who is voting for him in November.

If I'm "not even behind him" and if I am "selling" Nader at the same time, what have I got to gain from this?

What's the matter, Hedgehog?  You got some hatred toward Nader that you lost it when I posted this?  You do not want people to know that Nader is running, where he stands on issues, who Nader is and what Nader has accomplished for the American people?  You do not want people to vote for Nader?

Who would you vote for, Hedgehog?  Would you vote for Ralph Nader?

Hedgehog, will you be so kind as to please, with sugar on top, answer my questions as I have kindly answered yours?

[Hedgehog]

If Americans really want change, why do they keep voting Democratic and Republican when there are other options? 

See answer already posted.



Where do you get that I am 'selling' Nader?

Your very first post. Yet you're not a Nader supporter. Why are you trying to get people to vote for him, gee I wonder?


How do you know I would not vote for him were I an American citizen?
You yourself stated that you would vote for Ron Paul as a Republican candidate. Enough said.


Nader is a candidate just like Obama and McCain and I'm just curious as to who is voting for him in November.
If I'm "not even behind him" and if I am "selling" Nader at the same time, what have I got to gain from this?

I don't know. I know that plenty of Republican supporters are trying to get environmentalists/antigov/conspiracytheorists/et al into voting Nader, instead of voting Obama.

Just like Democrats are trying to fool the ridiculous Ron Paul army into keeping him in the race, voting for him instead of voting for McCain.


What's the matter, Hedgehog?  You got some hatred toward Nader that you lost it when I posted this?

No. I have no hatred towards Nader. I think he's refreshing. My problem, as I've stated before, is with a two-party system. In it, someone like Nader will only act as a spoiler, be it for the Democrats or the Republicans.



You do not want people to know that Nader is running, where he stands on issues, who Nader is and what Nader has accomplished for the American people?  You do not want people to vote for Nader?

No. I don't want "people" to vote for Nader. Because those votes are lost causes. Vote either McCain or Obama, or vote blank.

Who would you vote for, Hedgehog?  Would you vote for Ralph Nader?
I'm not gonna tell you.

Hedgehog, will you be so kind as to please, with sugar on top, answer my questions as I have kindly answered yours?
Of course.

[loco]

See answer already posted.

Where do you get that I am 'selling' Nader?

Your very first post. Yet you're not a Nader supporter. Why are you trying to get people to vote for him, gee I wonder?

You insist that I am trying to get people to vote for Nader, but my very first post was to find out what people think about him, who will vote for him, and for those who do not know about him to read up on him and post their thoughts.

How do you know I would not vote for him were I an American citizen?
You yourself stated that you would vote for Ron Paul as a Republican candidate. Enough said.

I've read about Nader as a person and consumer rights advocate, and I have heard about him from some American friends, and I've heard him speak in documentaries before.  So far he seems to me like an honest man who does not cater to corporations, much like Ron Paul.

Nader is a candidate just like Obama and McCain and I'm just curious as to who is voting for him in November.
If I'm "not even behind him" and if I am "selling" Nader at the same time, what have I got to gain from this?

I don't know. I know that plenty of Republican supporters are trying to get environmentalists/antigov/conspiracytheorists/et al into voting Nader, instead of voting Obama.

Just like Democrats are trying to fool the ridiculous Ron Paul army into keeping him in the race, voting for him instead of voting for McCain.

Oh, I see, and you think I'm a "Republican" trying to spoil it for Obama?  No.  I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat.  I've never been registered with any Venezuelan political party, or with any political party for that matter.  And I am not trying to spoil it for Obama.  And I see why you think that would be dishonest, but it's not what I'm trying to do.

What's the matter, Hedgehog?  You got some hatred toward Nader that you lost it when I posted this?

No. I have no hatred towards Nader. I think he's refreshing. My problem, as I've stated before, is with a two-party system. In it, someone like Nader will only act as a spoiler, be it for the Democrats or the Republicans.

I find both Ron Paul and Ralph Nader refreshing too.  And I understand what you are saying about the two party system, but this doesn't necessarily make those who honestly want to vote for Ralph Nader dishonest.

You do not want people to know that Nader is running, where he stands on issues, who Nader is and what Nader has accomplished for the American people?  You do not want people to vote for Nader?

No. I don't want "people" to vote for Nader. Because those votes are lost causes. Vote either McCain or Obama, or vote blank.

I see what you are saying, and it makes sense, kind of.  Wouldn't voting blank spoil it for somebody too?  And saying that you want those who honestly want Ralph Nader to win not to vote for him does not sound very democratic to me.   

Who would you vote for, Hedgehog?  Would you vote for Ralph Nader?
I'm not gonna tell you.

Good answer.  It is supposed to be secret anyway, though some people don't mind sharing.   But we can tell that you'd either vote "blank" or you'd vote for Obama.  Nothing wrong with that.  It's supposed to be a Democratic Republic. 

Hedgehog, will you be so kind as to please, with sugar on top, answer my questions as I have kindly answered yours?
Of course.

Thanks very much, Hedgehog!

Now, to answer your last question, would I vote for McCain...at this time, I see no huge difference between McCain and Obama as political candidates.  Do I see a huge difference between McCain and Nader?  Yes.  Do I see a huge difference between Obama and Nader?  Yes.  Do I agree with everything Nader stands for politically?  No, but like Ron Paul, I like his honesty and how he does not cater to corporations, and I like what he has already done for consumer rights.

[Hedgehog]

You insist that I am trying to get people to vote for Nader, but my very first post was to find out what people think about him, who will vote for him, and for those who do not know about him to read up on him and post their thoughts.

I've read about Nader as a person and consumer rights advocate, and I have heard about him from some American friends, and I've heard him speak in documentaries before.  So far he seems to me like an honest man who does not cater to corporations, much like Ron Paul.

What I insist on, is that this is a two man race. And that anyone who tries to lure people to vote for Ron Paul or Nader are dishonest.


Oh, I see, and you think I'm a "Republican" trying to spoil it for Obama?

Why would I think that?

I never claimed that.

I simply think that voting for either McCain or Obama, or a blank vote, is what will matter.


 No.  I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat.  I've never been registered with any Venezuelan political party, or with any political party for that matter.  And I am not trying to spoil it for Obama.  And I see why you think that would be dishonest, but it's not what I'm trying to do.


As I stated above, I do not claim that you are Republican. You claim to be in support of a Republican Ron Paul ticket. That is all I know.

[loco]

What I insist on, is that this is a two man race. And that anyone who tries to lure people to vote for Ron Paul or Nader are dishonest.

But I am not trying to lure people to vote for Ron Paul or Nader.  Therefore I'm not being dishonest.  But you can think what you want about me.  I truly would vote for Ron Paul in a heart beat, and there is nothing dishonest about promoting him if I honestly support him.  But first, Ron Paul would have to be a candidate, which he probably will not be.  Second, I would have to be an American citizen, which I'm not.  I'm looking at Ralph Nader now for the reasons I stated above.  I am not necessarily promoting Ralph Nader yet, but I like what I know about him so far.  And I still want to know what others think about him.

Why would I think that?

I never claimed that.

You claimed that I was being dishonest for asking who is voting for Nader.  When I asked why you thought that, you stated that your reason is that "Republican supporters are trying to get environmentalists/antigov/conspiracytheorists/et al into voting Nader, instead of voting Obama."

I simply think that voting for either McCain or Obama, or a blank vote, is what will matter.

You can't tell people who honestly want Nader to win not to vote for him.  That's not democratic.  And you can't call those people dishonest for that reason either.  And wouldn't blank votes or not voting at all spoil it for the other two guys too?

As I stated above, I do not claim that you are Republican. You claim to be in support of a Republican Ron Paul ticket. That is all I know.

And as I stated above, you claimed that I was being dishonest for asking who is voting for Nader.  When I asked why you thought that, you stated that your reason is that "Republican supporters are trying to get environmentalists/antigov/conspiracytheorists/et al into voting Nader, instead of voting Obama."

I claim to be in support of Ron Paul, regardless of his political party.  He chose to be in the Republican party, but I'd vote for him if he was a Democratic candidate.  As for Nader, I'm undecided at this time, but he seems to be more like Ron Paul than he seems to be like Obama or like McCain.

[Hedgehog]

You can't tell people who honestly want Nader to win not to vote for him.  That's not democratic.  And you can't call those people dishonest for that reason either.  And wouldn't blank votes or not voting at all spoil it for the other two guys too?


In a different party system, I would definately suggest anyone vote whatever.

But in a system where only the top two will count?

I don't think that a two-party system is democratic.

Nader is no viable option. Neither is Ron Paul.

That's why I think anyone discussing these two at this stage is just acting to spoil.

Or out of lack of understanding.

I'm not claiming you're are trying to spoil, of course.

[loco]

You can't tell people who honestly want Nader to win not to vote for him.  That's not democratic.  And you can't call those people dishonest for that reason either.  And wouldn't blank votes or not voting at all spoil it for the other two guys too?


In a different party system, I would definately suggest anyone vote whatever.

But in a system where only the top two will count?

I don't think that a two-party system is democratic.

Nader is no viable option. Neither is Ron Paul.

That's why I think anyone discussing these two at this stage is just acting to spoil.

Or out of lack of understanding.

I'm not claiming you're are trying to spoil, of course.

Obviously you are wrong in thinking or assuming that about everybody who discusses Nader or Paul at this stage.  I am discussing both Nader and Paul at this stage, but I am not acting to spoil.  But you are free to think what you want. 

You can't tell American citizens that they have to vote for Obama or McCain only.  If they don't like either one, they are free to not vote at all, vote blank or vote for an independent candidate.