For the Darwinists

[wavelength]

I disagree; intellectual assent does not guarantee salvation. The Pharasees fully understood God's word but Jesus openly rebuked many of them because of their self-righteousness.

I was not talking about intellectual assent. Rather the opposite.

No, after the fall of man we are all born spirtually dead and desperately wicked.

Rom 3:10-12
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Ephesians 2 doth support the above.

How does that contradict what I said?

[Hustle Man]

I was not talking about intellectual assent. Rather the opposite.

How does that contradict what I said?

You said:

The potential of salvation implies that we are born with just the seed of it in us.

There is no potential in us to be saved. We are all lost, dead in our sins. There is no potential only Christ.

If you believe what the bible says about salvation.

[wavelength]

You said:
There is no potential in us to be saved. We are all lost, dead in our sins. There is no potential only Christ.
If you believe what the bible says about salvation.

That's a question of usage of the words. The potential must be there. It is not in 'me' as in my ego of course. It's in something that goes beyond that. The exclusiveness of Jesus Christ in Christianity must go beyond the historic person of Jesus.

[Hustle Man]

The exclusiveness of Jesus Christ in Christianity must go beyond the historic person of Jesus.

I have never heard this before please explain, maybe I'm not fully comprehending what you are saying. I thought without Christ there is no Christianity.

HM

[Deicide]

And why is that?

Weil Du glaubst, dass altertuemliche Buecher, die von ignoranten Hirten unter gewissen, historischen Umstaenden geschrieben wurden, mehr Aussagekraft haben, als die modernsten und besten Methoden zum Verstaendnis des Seins, naemlich die der Wissenschaft.

Meinetwegen kannst Du das Gleiche ueber das Epos von Gilgamesch sagen.

[wavelength]

Weil Du glaubst, dass altertuemliche Buecher, die von ignoranten Hirten unter gewissen, historischen Umstaenden geschrieben wurden, mehr Aussagekraft haben, als die modernsten und besten Methoden zum Verstaendnis des Seins, naemlich die der Wissenschaft.

You know that this is not true. I've stated countless times that spiritual scripture does not compete with science. I even said so in my first post in this thread.

[wavelength]

I have never heard this before please explain, maybe I'm not fully comprehending what you are saying. I thought without Christ there is no Christianity.

HM

Jesus Christ transcends his mere historic person, wouldn't you agree? I think it's essential that he is the Son of God and not that his name was Jesus Christ and he lived 2000 years ago.

[Nordic Superman]

Weil Du glaubst, dass altertuemliche Buecher, die von ignoranten Hirten unter gewissen, historischen Umstaenden geschrieben wurden, mehr Aussagekraft haben, als die modernsten und besten Methoden zum Verstaendnis des Seins, naemlich die der Wissenschaft.

Meinetwegen kannst Du das Gleiche ueber das Epos von Gilgamesch sagen.

I think your original post was directed at me, so why respond in German? Try a language from the Scandinavian branch, Spanish or preferably English next time squire!

[wavelength]

I think your original post was directed at me, so why respond in German? Try a language from the Scandinavian branch, Spanish or preferably English next time squire!

He said that I would claim that spiritual scripture (written by ignorant sheperds under certain historic circumstances) has more explanatory power than modern science. He gets lost in his fetish for the german language sometimes 

[Nordic Superman]

He said that I would claim that spiritual scripture (written by ignorant sheperds under certain historic circumstances) has more explanatory power than modern science. He gets lost in his fetish for the german language sometimes 

Cheers buddy!

[Deedee]

No, after the fall of man we are all born spirtually dead and desperately wicked.

The only people who are born evil are serial killers, and we lock them up or execute them.

It's sad that you believe this.  Babies and children are not "desperately wicked."

I'll bet if you were lost in the woods alone for an indeterminate period of time, even if you fervently believed in God, you'd lose this man-made construct very quickly and find that you are just another creature lucky to be alive. This whole concept of being "born wicked" is a horrible socializing tool.

[Nordic Superman]

The only people who are born evil are serial killers, and we lock them up or execute them.

Are you being sarcastic?

Environment plays a major role of the development of any potential serial killer.

[Deedee]

Are you being sarcastic?

Environment plays a major role of the development of any potential serial killer.

No, actually I wasn't, but maybe I shouldn't have said "born."  I meant serial killers usually haven't developed a sense of conscience, start indulging their violent fantasies and acting some of them out when they're kids... as early as six or seven. At least, that's what I've read. I couldn't think of any other type of human being that would be considered "wickedly desperate" at such an early age.

[Nordic Superman]

No, actually I wasn't, but maybe I shouldn't have said "born."  I meant serial killers usually haven't developed a sense of conscience, start indulging their violent fantasies and acting some of them out when they're kids... as early as six or seven. At least, that's what I've read. I couldn't think of any other type of human being that would be considered "wickedly desperate" at such an early age.

Right, environment effects you at all ages, you're especially susceptible at a younger age.

[www.BrinkZone.com]

If we used this type of definition for Darwinism:  the theory that all living creatures are modified descendents of a common ancestor that lived long ago.......


What is the main aspect or aspects of Darwinian theory that convinced you to embrace Darwinism as truth?

http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/

Or, a super hero did it in 6 days.

Take your pick....

[Deicide]

http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/

Or, a super hero did it in 6 days.

Take your pick....

I prefer Dagda!!!!!!!!!!!!!