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McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« on: June 11, 2008, 04:13:28 PM »
The McCain campaign's election strategy PowerPoint, published on his website this morning, reveals that the campaign has accepted a remarkable fact: McCain and his advisers have lumped Arizona, the Republican Party presumptive nominee's home state, among what it is considering swing states. In other words, McCain feels he could lose Arizona to Obama, an admission that squares with recent surprising polling data.

In Arizona, and particularly among his home district residents, Sen. John McCain's popularity compared to Sen. Barack Obama's is declining fairly rapidly, according to the most recent poll.

Democratic Congressional candidate Bob Lord, running to represent Arizona's 3rd District, commissioned the poll, which was published last week and reports McCain drawing 48 percent and Obama 43 percent support among residents in the district that the McCain family calls home. Statewide, McCain only leads Obama by an 11-point margin. The surprising poll results add to the growing feeling among analysts that McCain can take nothing for granted against Obama, particularly it seems in McCain's western region of the country.


Indeed, one of the unexpected reasons McCain's home district may be turning on him is that it is also home to more than 56,000 veterans. Veterans in Arizona have been outraged that McCain refused to sign on to the recent GI Bill written to increase educational benefits to soldiers serving in the post 9/11 U.S. military. That McCain is losing ground among veterans and Arizona residents must come as dire news to his supporters and members of his campaign.

By way of comparison, the opposite -- McCain gaining ground in Obama's home state and district -- is unimaginable. A poll of Illinois voters published in March showed Obama's popularity continuing to rise in relation to McCain's, up 60 percent to 31 percent. And the idea that McCain could draw close in Obama's home district -- the 1st District -- centered around Hyde Park, the Obama family's urban south-side neighborhood and home to the University of Chicago, is laughable. Indeed, the district's longtime representative is Bobby Rush, the former Black Panther who authoritatively defended his seat against Obama eight years ago, schooling the now-presumptive Democratic Party nominee in grassroots politics.

One explanation for McCain's dropping lead in Arizona suggested by the poll is the impact of the corruption scandal presently plaguing Arizona Republican Congressman John Shadegg, who is accused of skirting election finance laws.

Shadegg enjoys 75 percent name recognition, but only 31 percent of respondents said they will vote for Shadegg in the upcoming election. This is a drop of eight points from a poll conducted earlier in the year when 39 percent of respondents said they would "definitely" or "probably" vote to re-elect him.
While the McCain lead shrinks in Arizona, Obama is gaining in popularity throughout the West, leading analysts to suggest Democrats, riding Obama's coattails in the fall, will do very well there in state and congressional races.

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2008, 04:46:58 PM »
Beach Bum contends that Gore is a loser because he lost Tenn.

BB, will mccain be a loser if he doesn't win his own home state?

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2008, 04:53:03 PM »
home to more than 56,000 veterans. Veterans in Arizona have been outraged that McCain refused to sign on to the recent GI Bill written to increase educational benefits to soldiers serving in the post 9/11 U.S. military. That McCain is losing ground among veterans

Obama's team should hammer that point.

McCain is old, computer illiterate hence a bust on technology, admits himself the economy is not his strong point, lackluster education, and has quite a few personal issues in his past. Apart from the racism issues, war/defence are his only strong points.

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2008, 05:32:08 PM »
Beach Bum contends that Gore is a loser because he lost Tenn.

BB, will mccain be a loser if he doesn't win his own home state?

If he loses the election and Arizona is the losing margin, then absolutely.  Even if he wins and loses Arizona I will rag on him.   

But that's only part of the Gore analysis.  He was running as the VP of the one of the most popular presidents in American history, a decent economy, and a weak candidate in Dubya. 

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2008, 05:43:13 PM »
If he loses the election and Arizona is the losing margin, then absolutely.  Even if he wins and loses Arizona I will rag on him.   

But that's only part of the Gore analysis.  He was running as the VP of the one of the most popular presidents in American history, a decent economy, and a weak candidate in Dubya. 

I thought Bush2 was a strong candidate.  He was fairly sharp back then, for one.  He was a refreshing change from the slimeball Clinton.  He was AGAINST nationbuilding.  And his VP was the most experienced man in Washington.

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2008, 06:21:44 PM »
I didn't consider Bush a strong candidate and considered voting for Gore.  I think I made the right choice with Bush, but I doubt most considered him a strong candidate.  Definitely wasn’t the best the party had to offer.  (That would have been Colin Powell.)  People hated Cheney and people vote the top of the ticket anyway.  That's partly what made Gore such a loser.  He should have won that election going away.  Got hoisted by Ralph Nadar and the people of his home state.   

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2008, 08:11:16 PM »
He was running as the VP of the one of the most popular presidents in American history, a decent economy, and a weak candidate in Dubya. 

I'd even go so far and say world history.

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2008, 09:39:40 PM »
I didn't consider Bush a strong candidate and considered voting for Gore.  I think I made the right choice with Bush, but I doubt most considered him a strong candidate.  Definitely wasn’t the best the party had to offer.  (That would have been Colin Powell.)  People hated Cheney and people vote the top of the ticket anyway.  That's partly what made Gore such a loser.  He should have won that election going away.  Got hoisted by Ralph Nadar and the people of his home state.   
Suprisingly, I agree with this post completely...except the part in bold. Anyone who thinks they made the right choice by voting for the worst president in history needs their head examined.
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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2008, 09:41:02 PM »
I recall Gore trying to distance himself from Clinton in 2000

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2008, 04:15:15 AM »
I think I made the right choice with Bush

Wow.  You're not even sure?  no offense, but you're one of the most loyal people here to Dubya.  To see you say you "think" you made the right choice, it speaks volumes.

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2008, 08:19:59 AM »
I didn't consider Bush a strong candidate and considered voting for Gore.  I think I made the right choice with Bush, 

Beach Bigot - this statement makes me think you are truly disconnected from reality.

Given everthing that has happened in the last 7 years you still think that Bush was the better choice than Gore????

How is that fucking possible?

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2008, 10:58:25 AM »

With the size of the Mormon population there, I don't see McCain losing Arizona.

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2008, 11:49:55 AM »
Wow.  You're not even sure?  no offense, but you're one of the most loyal people here to Dubya.  To see you say you "think" you made the right choice, it speaks volumes.

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2008, 11:50:27 AM »
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I'm being serious.  I'd expect you to say you KNOW you picked the right candidate.  Not, you "think" you got the right guy.

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2008, 11:52:41 AM »
Beach Bigot - this statement makes me think you are truly disconnected from reality.

Given everthing that has happened in the last 7 years you still think that Bush was the better choice than Gore????

How is that fucking possible?


lol.  Back for your monthly flogging?  A pothead talking about disconnection from reality.  Now that's funny.   :)

 

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2008, 11:54:53 AM »
I'm being serious.  I'd expect you to say you KNOW you picked the right candidate.  Not, you "think" you got the right guy.

I'm not being serious, because I don't take you seriously.  I could care less what words you expect me to use.  Spin them however you like.   

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2008, 01:31:28 PM »
lol.  Back for your monthly flogging?  A pothead talking about disconnection from reality.  Now that's funny.   :)

 

Beach Bigot,

once again - your response has nothing to do with the topic or the question.

Let's try again - Given everthing that has happened in the last 7 years what specifically makes you think that Bush would still have been a better choice than Gore

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2008, 02:21:25 PM »
Beach Bigot,

once again - your response has nothing to do with the topic or the question.

Let's try again - Given everthing that has happened in the last 7 years what specifically makes you think that Bush would still have been a better choice than Gore

Dear Pothead:

Go smoke (another) joint. 


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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2008, 02:23:14 PM »
Dear Pothead:

Go smoke (another) joint. 



you didn't answer his Q.  Instead you issued a personal attack.  That's terrible debate technique, BB

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2008, 02:27:06 PM »
Seriously, can anyone lay it out for me? The differences between when Bush got in and today? I vaguely know the debt issues, unemployment is up, foreclosures, and world standing lost - but would be interested in more specific analysis.

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2008, 02:34:20 PM »
Seriously, can anyone lay it out for me? The differences between when Bush got in and today? I vaguely know the debt issues, unemployment is up, foreclosures, and world standing lost - but would be interested in more specific analysis.

240? Anyone? Link or post plz?

Ask Ozmo.   :)

Seriously, it's a good question.  There should be an analysis out there somewhere. 

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2008, 02:55:05 PM »
Dear Pothead:

Go smoke (another) joint. 


Beach Bigot - it seems you're at a loss to defend  or support your own moronic statement.

What a suprise

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2008, 02:58:43 PM »
Beach Bigot - it seems you're at a loss to defend  or support your own moronic statement.

What a suprise

[putting on calmus hat]

Yes, what a "suprise," Buckwheat.  lol.

[taking calmus hat off]

You just love your monthly beatings don't you pothead?  Next will be your post whining about me not answering your questions.  :'( 

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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2008, 03:05:01 PM »
[putting on calmus hat]

Yes, what a "suprise," Buckwheat.  lol.

[taking calmus hat off]

You just love your monthly beatings don't you pothead?  Next will be your post whining about me not answering your questions.  :'( 

Beach Bigot,

The only one getting a beating here is you on an almost daily basis from EVERYONE

It's pathetic that a moderator runs away from his own statements and can't defend or support them


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Re: McCain Acknowledges He May Lose Arizona
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2008, 03:11:59 PM »
Ask Ozmo.   :)

Seriously, it's a good question.  There should be an analysis out there somewhere. 

Why should Ozmo or anyone answer any question?

That's not something you would do so why would you expect anyone else to do it?