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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2008, 07:12:12 AM »
not really, just need to announce a plan like

"We will add a $1 tax to gas every calendar year for the next 5 years". Immediately people will start to buy the diesel and alternative options.

diesel here in the south is $4.75 now....and 87 octane is $3.80+

why would i move to deisel? vege oil? the conversion kits cost another $3500....probably another 2k to have put in.....

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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2008, 07:33:57 AM »
Some people will be able to afford it so the SUV will live.

Others will buy more fuel efficient cars.

Others will move closer to work.

Some will buy motorcycles and scooters. (I did)

Some will take mass transit.

There needs to be money dumped into mass transit like trains and rail for the long term. Also alternative fuels like wind solar water veggie ect...

Problem is a lot of money is funneled through politics by big oil and oil product users which make government turn a blind eye.

Most Americans are against the war we just have a dumb azz in office right now and the possibility of getting his twin dumb azz elected. Some people just dont get it...




 
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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2008, 07:40:36 AM »
Even here SUV's are getting trendy - pretty idiotic if you take into account that in austria/vienna streets are narrow and parking lots microsized.
Not the SUV's but the trend is shitty.
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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2008, 07:49:26 AM »
In the US I still see tons of SUV/Trucks with only 1 person in it. Those things are gas guzzlers yet people are still driving them. Also the average American car is pretty large.

I see one retarded homosexual president in america riding in a commercial jet called AIR FORCE ONE and he is the only person on the plane being chauffeured from Washington to his retarded daughters wedding in Texas. Politicians are very contradictory would you say?

I read that in Europe they are average nearly 40 mpg while we are averaging 25 mpg.

The very small cars average those milages...not the BMW, Mercedes, Audis etc or the cars imported to america. Europeans also use an rather extensive train system with high speed trains to get to and fro. America only has a decrepit Amtrak that shakes uncontrollably once it hits 60 miles per hour

Since we can't control supply (OPEC), I contend that we should control our demand.  This can be accomplished by taxing gasoline to the point where it reaches $10+/ gallon.

YEAH ...why don't we just give the god damn petrochemical industry our entire check, this way we won't have to worry about what we are paying at the pump any more. Truth  is they want all of our money in their pockets anyway...lets just save them the trouble of creating more lies in order to get it.

Also keep in mind that current price of gas $4.50+- is not because there is less oil available, but because the suppliers are setting they see fit.

You just contradicted yourself with your statement above. You imply that the reason gas is going up is due to low supply "Since we can't control supply (OPEC), I contend that we should control our demand, then you say in this statement that the reason gas is going up has nothing to do with there being less oil...but because suppliers are settting what they see fit" YES...THAT IS THE GREED OF THE AMERICAN PETROCHEMICAL INDUSTRY

This will also provide a financial incentive for Americans to buy more fuel efficients cars, which in turn would start a  cycle of car manufacturers making cheaper and more efficient cars (win/win). And also make us look at alternative options.

With GM about to close down and the other american automotive manufacturers about to do the same, with americans losing their jobs to the tune of 3 to 4 hundred thousand per week, with he cost of all other goods skyrocketing WHO THE HELL HAS MONEY TO BUY ANOTHER CAR???? You are now incurring a massive debt in order to SAVE MONEY?...That is irrational thinking. And in the end the gas will still continue to rise to the petrochemicals greedy desire

we don't need short terms fixes, we need long term solutions unfortunately no politician will would be elected under those conditions.

What america needs is to get out of the CAPITALISM game...It is extremely destructive,promotes poverty, wars, criminal activity (on the corporate level), promotes a grossly uneven dispensing of wealth to a few and because of such, puts the power to control government in the hands of the same


if you are against please state why.
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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2008, 07:50:48 AM »
This is prolly drivel, as comparing the driving we do to that those in larger nations do is nowhere near an accurate measure - but we are at $8 a gallon now, and no one is thinking to catch a bus.

Not a thought, gov tried some campaign to encourage us to bus it and that was met with hyena like laughs and disbelief of government while we drove around in our cars.


you live on a small island that has 1 bus..tell gov to buy a second thus increasing productivity 100%
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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2008, 07:52:12 AM »
Diesel is more expensive than gasoline in europe.

Diesel = oil.

Hope this helps.


What you need is Hydrogen fuel, solar power or sth like that.



you should look up the process of seperating the hydrogen atom from water...guess what..that process uses oil  :-\
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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2008, 07:53:55 AM »
This is prolly drivel, as comparing the driving we do to that those in larger nations do is nowhere near an accurate measure - but we are at $8 a gallon now, and no one is thinking to catch a bus.

Not a thought, gov tried some campaign to encourage us to bus it and that was met with hyena like laughs and disbelief of government while we drove around in our cars.


good, that means that the general population has the money to absorb the price thus paying a higher tax to the gov.

the people that are able to use the mass transit system will save a fortune..
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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2008, 08:13:34 AM »
good, that means that the general population has the money to absorb the price thus paying a higher tax to the gov.

Yup, we absorb it no issue, recall we drive less. Tax is not the issue causing the price, it's the logistical issues a small island creates actually.

you live on a small island that has 1 bus..tell gov to buy a second thus increasing productivity 100%

LOL. We have a full scale bus system, as well as fast ferries, both islandwide. Most people here are not willing to give up the conveniences of driving to wait in 95 degree temps for a bus/boat to save cash of that amount. That's here, my people, can't speak for others.

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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2008, 08:17:01 AM »
you should look up the process of seperating the hydrogen atom from water...guess what..that process uses oil  :-\

The process does not require oil...what it does require is a small amount of electricity to break the atoms of hydrogen and oxygen apart. The two gases can be captured and used as fuel with the exhaust being water.

In Washington DC a number of universities put on a large display of energy efficient homes about two years ago. I believe it was the University of Virginia that created an entire system of capturing rain water off of the roof of a home, storing it in a barrel sized container, using solar panels to create enough electricity to provide the power to split the atoms and (batteries to store excess power for cloudy days) into singular hydrogen and oxygen gases, convert these gases to a form usable in stoves, water heaters, furnaces etc and all at no cost to the home owner except for the cost of buying the equipment. Of course the petrochemical industry came out and DEMONIZED the students and university's idea (even thought they had a full working model in a home) was idiotic and unfeasible. You have to understand that the petrochemical industry does not want anyone off of OIL and will do whatever to keep you shackled to it....EVEN IF THAT MEAN LIE AND DEMONIZE YOUR PRODUCT!!!

BTW you know why solar is so expensive and not in use like it should???...It is because the petrochemical industry owns the rights to solar power!!!!!!!

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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2008, 08:39:33 AM »
In the US I still see tons of SUV/Trucks with only 1 person in it. Those things are gas guzzlers yet people are still driving them. Also the average American car is pretty large.

I read that in Europe they are average nearly 40 mpg while we are averaging 25 mpg.

Since we can't control supply (OPEC), I contend that we should control our demand.  This can be accomplished by taxing gasoline to the point where it reaches $10+/ gallon.

Also keep in mind that current price of gas $4.50+- is not because there is less oil available, but because the suppliers are setting they see fit.

This will also provide a financial incentive for Americans to buy more fuel effiecients cars, which in turn would start a  cycle of car manufacturers making cheaper and more efficient cars (win/win). And also make us look at alternative options.

we don't need short terms fixes, we need long term solutions unfortunately no politician will would be elected under those conditions.


if you are against please state why.

You obviously mean well but even you are misguided.  SUVs are not the problem; the problem is that we are still driving vehicles that run on gasoline.  In 2008 we have the technology to build vehicles that run on alternative renewable fuels: hydrogen, water, solar, electric, air, etc. but the political and consumer will to make these vehicles and sell them is simply not there yet.  There are very powerful forces committed to keeping Americans (and the world) in cars that run on gasoline.

Even the hybrids that have proven so popular buy into this paradigm; it doesn’t matter how good the vehicle’s mileage is: if it runs on gasoline we are still in the same boat: sending our kids to war over oil, drilling in the ANWR, etc.  :'(


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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2008, 08:48:23 AM »
You obviously mean well but even you are misguided.  SUVs are not the problem; the problem is that we are still driving vehicles that run on gasoline.  In 2008 we have the technology to build vehicles that run on alternative renewable fuels: hydrogen, water, solar, electric, air, etc. but the political and consumer will to make these vehicles and sell them is simply not there yet.  There are very powerful forces committed to keeping Americans (and the world) in cars that run on gasoline.

Even the hybrids that have proven so popular buy into this paradigm; it doesn’t matter how good the vehicle’s mileage is: if it runs on gasoline we are still in the same boat: sending our kids to war over oil, drilling in the ANWR, etc.  :'(




Gayer than mostly agreeing with Bay.  (except for the drilling in ANWR issue... until we actually lay down the infrastructure to get there, we need to tap as many domestic sources as possible)

I've said this before... the ultimate answer is hydrogen fuel cells, with the hydrogen being produced by electricity generated primarily from nuclear supplemented by solar where feasible.  On the way there we should be using plug-in hybrids as much as possible. (vehicles you plug in that run primarily on electric drive and L-ion batteries, with a gasoline or diesel motor that kicks in when the electric range is exceeded.)
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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2008, 08:54:48 AM »
somebody google "algae fuel".

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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2008, 08:56:18 AM »
Bay and Goat, my intention is to get the American public off our addiction to petro. Ofcourse the end goal is a renew/reusable form of fuel. I am merely presented and idea to get us to reduce our demand for it.

My point is that without financial motivation we will never change.
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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2008, 08:58:30 AM »

Gayer than mostly agreeing with Bay.  (except for the drilling in ANWR issue... until we actually lay down the infrastructure to get there, we need to tap as many domestic sources as possible)

I've said this before... the ultimate answer is hydrogen fuel cells, with the hydrogen being produced by electricity generated primarily from nuclear supplemented by solar where feasible.  On the way there we should be using plug-in hybrids as much as possible. (vehicles you plug in that run primarily on electric drive and L-ion batteries, with a gasoline or diesel motor that kicks in when the electric range is exceeded.)


Gayer than eventually making oil = not needed, thus eventually rendering the arab world bankrupt.  8)

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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2008, 09:04:03 AM »
Bay and Goat, my intention is to get the American public off our addiction to petro. Ofcourse the end goal is a renew/reusable form of fuel. I am merely presented and idea to get us to reduce our demand for it.

My point is that without financial motivation we will never change.




Gayer than europeans thinking taxation is the answer to everything.  ;D
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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2008, 09:14:59 AM »


Gayer than europeans thinking taxation is the answer to everything.  ;D


Gayer than the US running with a budget deficit for 29 out of the last 31 years, while the "socialist" Norwegian gouvernment not having more than 1 year in teh deficit during the same time period.

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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2008, 09:19:43 AM »
Europeans have I fuel costs because of high taxes. Also, their cars have to be smaller because they live in tight-knit metro areas and not the sprawling suburban areas that we in the U.S. do. That means tighter turns and narrower/smaller roads. This is also why their cars are tuned to handle better. They also have less emissions and safety restrictions than the U.S. does, which allows for lighter cars and more efficient engines b/c of a lack of power sapping and weighty emissions equipment. This then allows them to use highly efficient diesel engines.

With all of the regulations, and they grow every year, manufacturers have a much harder time meeting these regulations. Saftey systems and structures = more weight, which leads to the need for a more powerful engine..and so on.

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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2008, 09:20:00 AM »

Gayer than the US running with a budget deficit for 29 out of the last 31 years, while the "socialist" Norwegian gouvernment not having more than 1 year in teh deficit during the same time period.


Gayer than your lack of appreciation for musical talent.  ;D
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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2008, 09:21:50 AM »

Gayer than your lack of appreciation for musical talent.  ;D


Gayer than Debussey being a huge fan or real music, while despising quack jobs and talentless goth bitches >:(

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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2008, 09:25:10 AM »

Gayer than Debussey being a huge fan or real music, while despising quack jobs and talentless goth bitches >:(


Gayer than Debussey not appreciating goth bitches.

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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2008, 09:31:52 AM »
Is this sleek and stylish mobile from that runs on compressed air not a step in the right direction? Only has a 125 mile range at this time, but they are working on some crap so you can jet around and refill at the same time. Max speed about 70mph. Going to production lines now...


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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2008, 09:34:38 AM »
Is this sleek and stylish mobile from that runs on compressed air not a step in the right direction? Only has a 125 mile range at this time, but they are working on some crap so you can jet around and refill at the same time. Max speed about 70mph. Going to production lines now...



What is the name of that car?
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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2008, 09:37:08 AM »
What is the name of that car?


its called "purple egg death trap"

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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2008, 09:37:27 AM »
I just got a sweet deal on a "H-1"

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Re: $10/gallon will solve all problems
« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2008, 09:38:00 AM »
A better solution would be for the US and EU to take over the middle eastern countries and produce as much gasoline as we see fit.  It would never happen due to the politically correct society we live in, but in ancient or roman times those sand n*ggers would have been conquered long ago for their resources.