Author Topic: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life.... (Read 21773 times)

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #150 on:** June 17, 2008, 02:41:50 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 17, 2008, 02:25:54 PM

this is all very true.

I have been explaining to ND that he has been using the term 'ad populum' incorrectly for over a year now..

but he is too stupid to get it.

Argument ad populum in action " 40 experts can't be wrong " you're to stupid to comprehend this which is old news

a popular opinion does NOT make it a true one get this through you're head .

Hulkster · « **Reply #151 on:** June 17, 2008, 02:51:02 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on June 17, 2008, 02:41:50 PM

Argument ad populum in action " 40 experts can't be wrong " you're to stupid to comprehend this which is old news

a popular opinion does NOT make it a true one get this through you're head .

I have long schooled you that the appeal is not simply numbers, but you never fucking listen..

its about experts who know what they are talking about and visuals that support it.

it takes all of about 4 seconds to go to any philosophy website in the world and show that what we are saying is a NON FALLICOUS use of the argument:

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Non-fallacious examples of the ad populum: the appeal is not irrelevant when what most persons believe or what the select few believe does in fact determine what is true. Conventional truth such as the definitions of words, standard use of symbols, styles, or political elections are typical examples where the appeal to the majority , the experts, or the people-in-the-know would be relevant and so would not be fallacious.

If an elite group of people are in a position to know of what they speak, their authority is relevant and should not automatically be discounted. E.g., to remark that most physicians believe that a high fat diet is unhealthy, so that it follows that persons who have a high fat diet should change their eating habits, is to make a legitimate appeal.

I would say that 40 bodybuilding pros, experts, writers etc are in a position to know what they are talking about.

esp. with all the visual support.

ND, as we can see, has no fucking clue..

well, ND you will need to come up with some new material, because you can't whine about 'ad populum' anymore.

cross that one off your list of excuses, you can't use that one anymore..

ND = owned badly.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #152 on:** June 17, 2008, 03:01:58 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 17, 2008, 02:51:02 PM

I have long schooled you that the appeal is not simply numbers, but you never fucking listen..

its about experts who know what they are talking about and visuals that support it.

it takes all of about 4 seconds to go to any philosophy website in the world and show that what we are saying is a NON FALLICOUS use of the argument:

I would say that 40 bodybuilding pros, experts, writers etc are in a position to know what they are talking about.

esp. with all the visual support.

ND, as we can see, has no fucking clue..

You never did shit as usual your arguments hinged on weak logic , photoshopped pictures . made up quotes and denial . your 40 experts is textbook argument ad populum you can't argue otherwise keep trying you and iceman are borderline retarded if you attempt to argue to the contrary

and its all about the experts and the visuals? experts as in Greg Valentino? and Flex Wheeler who had Ronnie in 2st place after the 2007 pre-judging lol and visuals ? you mean the photoshopped screencaps you've been posting for eons now LMMFAO

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I would say that 40 bodybuilding pros, experts, writers etc are in a position to know what they are talking about.

again textbook appeal to numbers what makes ANY of these guys' opinions more valid than Ronnie Coleman? you've people have yet to explain that what makes Greg Valentino's opinion more valid than Ronnie Coleman? good luck trying to answer that dummy

argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges that "If many believe so, it is so

This fallacy is sometimes committed while trying to convince a person that a widely popular theory is true.

* Since 88% of the people polled believed in UFOs, they must exist.

I would say that 40 bodybuilding pros, experts, writers etc are in a position to know what they are talking about.

owned

Hulkster · « **Reply #153 on:** June 17, 2008, 03:27:36 PM »

obviously, the idiot who knows nothing about philosophy did not even bother to read my post..

in one ear, out the other as they say..

bizzy · « **Reply #154 on:** June 17, 2008, 03:31:42 PM »

Hopefully kmhphoto will chime in on this thread one more time.

The only reason I'm taking the time to on this thread
is because this thread is partially my fault.
1st: Notice kmhphoto didn't chime in on this thread until after the
photoshopped pic of Ronnie in the comparitive most muscular was used.
(The 1st picture I'm going to use.)
He also said...
"But a lot of screen caps from that show - in particular the most muscular - have been over sharpened and that gives a false impression of how Ronnie looked."
I think he was mainly reffering to a photo shopped picture I used
along time ago.
Quick story behind it...
1st try at my new DVD Recorder. I accidently set it on the worst resolution
setting. Instead of re-recording it I used photoshop to try and match the video.
I didn't use unsharp mask but lighting and contrast and overdid the contrast
resulting in a technically pretty crappy photo.
A link to the posted photos...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg2522039#msg2522039

You can tell a big difference between my very over contrasted photo
and the other most musculars.

bizzy · « **Reply #155 on:** June 17, 2008, 03:39:04 PM »

In Hulkster's defence unless proven otherwise,
he was in the dark about those photos being photoshopped
but he is accused of using them after he knew they were photoshopped.

Here is the link where he realizes they are photoshopped.
(By my own admitance.) You can tell before I admit it that he is in the
dark about me photoshopping them with lighting and contrast.
If anyone can find a link of him using these photos after this time
then he would be guilty of knowingly using photoshopped pics.
I don't think you'll find it.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=180441.msg2543912#msg2543912

England_1 · « **Reply #156 on:** June 17, 2008, 03:42:37 PM »

This photo on the left is the best representation of how Coleman looked if you were at the show in 1999. Notice how none of the delt detail is really present in the real picture but is "enhanced" in the screencaps. And now we finally have admittance by Bizzy that he did in fact photoshop the screencaps, something Hulkster has been denying for over a year

Hulkster · « **Reply #157 on:** June 17, 2008, 03:46:07 PM »

do you think Joe Weider enhanced all the DVDs and videos?

or was it Big Bird?

Hulkster · « **Reply #158 on:** June 17, 2008, 03:49:22 PM »

Bizzy: are any of these shots enhanced/photoshopped at all?:

because despite what the lying philosophically challenged ND claims, I haven't used any others of yours:

if they are not, then ND, you can personally kiss my ass

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bizzy · « **Reply #159 on:** June 17, 2008, 03:55:57 PM »

kmhphoto also stated something to affect that unsharp mask is used
many times in part of the production stage before the release of a video/DVD.
This would hold true to any video/DVD although the outcome could vary for many
different reasons. If most of the 1999 pictures had been the quality of this
2007 Olympia picture I don't think we would be having this discussion.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #160 on:** June 17, 2008, 03:58:41 PM »

Quote from: bizzy on June 17, 2008, 03:39:04 PM

In Hulkster's defence unless proven otherwise,
he was in the dark about those photos being photoshopped
but he is accused of using them after he knew they were photoshopped.

Here is the link where he realizes they are photoshopped.
(By my own admitance.) You can tell before I admit it that he is in the
dark about me photoshopping them with lighting and contrast.
If anyone can find a link of him using these photos after this time
then he would be guilty of knowingly using photoshopped pics.
I don't think you'll find it.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=180441.msg2543912#msg2543912

You photoshopped them this is all on you

and when people raised questions Hulkster defended them and still is , he's busted and so are you . and he already busted him with the first pics YOU made and then he stopped using those lol little did we know almost ALL of your 99 screencaps are photoshopped

I was waiting for you to try and do damage control you're exposed as trying to pass of something that wasn't indicative of how Ronnie looked in 99 , you're busted by two professionals do yourself a favor don't try and explain anything or post another ' pic ' you're finished

bizzy · « **Reply #161 on:** June 17, 2008, 03:59:22 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 17, 2008, 03:49:22 PM

Bizzy: are any of these shots enhanced/photoshopped at all?:

because despite what the lying philosophically challenged ND claims, I haven't used any others of yours:

if they are not, then ND, you can personally kiss my ass .

No way those are photoshopped after all the grief I went through with the few pics I did.
I even said when I posted the leg shot that I thought it was too dark but there was no
way I was going to touch any more pictures.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #162 on:** June 17, 2008, 04:00:35 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 17, 2008, 03:49:22 PM

Bizzy: are any of these shots enhanced/photoshopped at all?:

because despite what the lying philosophically challenged ND claims, I haven't used any others of yours:

if they are not, then ND, you can personally kiss my ass .

They are photoshopped period , he adjusted the contrast & color and unsharp mask tool period . he's busted and you're an idiot for defending him and these pics for years now

Hulkster & Bizzy = owned

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #163 on:** June 17, 2008, 04:02:51 PM »

Quote from: bizzy on June 17, 2008, 03:59:22 PM

No way those are photoshopped after all the grief I went through with the few pics I did.
I even said when I posted the leg shot that I thought it was too dark but there was no
way I was going to touch any more pictures.

BULLSHIT you're busted by Kevin Horton and a professional graphic artist and they outed you on exactly how you did it

and the best part is your screencaps from a VHS don't match those from forcedreps from you guessed it a VHS copy

unsharp mask too you're busted save yourself the trouble

Hulkster · « **Reply #164 on:** June 17, 2008, 04:08:15 PM »

Quote from: bizzy on June 17, 2008, 03:59:22 PM

No way those are photoshopped after all the grief I went through with the few pics I did.
I even said when I posted the leg shot that I thought it was too dark but there was no
way I was going to touch any more pictures.

thank you.

ND kiss my ass moron!

you are so owned and fucked now.

you are exposed as the pathetic delusional liar that you are.

your whole argument rests on praying that Ronnie 99 visuals are faked and when that is shown not to be true, you have NOTHING LEFT

Hulkster · « **Reply #165 on:** June 17, 2008, 04:11:14 PM »

Quote from: bizzy on June 17, 2008, 03:55:57 PM

kmhphoto also stated something to affect that unsharp mask is used
many times in part of the production stage before the release of a video/DVD.
This would hold true to any video/DVD although the outcome could vary for many
different reasons. If most of the 1999 pictures had been the quality of this
2007 Olympia picture I don't think we would be having this discussion.

actually ND is the only one having this discussion.

no one else questions the validity of how Ronnie looked that night.

only ND so he can save his hero dorian..

bizzy · « **Reply #166 on:** June 17, 2008, 04:14:58 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on June 17, 2008, 03:58:41 PM

You photoshopped them this is all on you and when people raised questions Hulkster defended them and still is , he's busted and so are you . and he already busted him with the first pics YOU made and then he stopped using those lol little did we know almost ALL of your 99 screencaps are photoshopped

I was waiting for you to try and do damage control you're exposed as trying to pass of something that wasn't indicative of how Ronnie looked in 99 , you're busted by two professionals do yourself a favor don't try and explain anything or post another ' pic ' you're finished

Think what you want ND...
That is what my video looks like only even better.
I could send you the video itself and it still wouldn't convince you.
If you think my other ones are shopped, use Forced Reps video or
DVD screencaps. Iceman has a DVD copy of my video so ask him:
but you probably won't believe him either. I'm not going to waste my time on here
trying to convince you. I took a couple of shots off my TV before I got my DVD
Recorder and posted them but you'll think I photoshopped them too.

1st pic from a dig cam...

4th pic from GMV 1999 Grand Prix.. very close to the same color/resolution.

Hulkster · « **Reply #167 on:** June 17, 2008, 04:24:01 PM »

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Think what you want ND...
That is what my video looks like only even better.
I could send you the video itself and it still wouldn't convince you.

ND is such a delusional moron..

Hulkster · « **Reply #168 on:** June 17, 2008, 04:26:19 PM »

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Think what you want ND...
That is what my video looks like only even better.
I could send you the video itself and it still wouldn't convince you.If you think my other ones are shopped, use Forced Reps video or
DVD screencaps. Iceman has a DVD copy of my video so ask him:
but you probably won't believe him either. I'm not going to waste my time on here
trying to convince you. I took a couple of shots off my TV before I got my DVD
Recorder and posted them but you'll think I photoshopped them too.

1st pic from a dig cam...

4th pic from GMV 1999 Grand Prix.. very close to the same color/resolution.

ND is a complete waste of time.. you have shown the fucking shot of your tv and compared it to the cap and he probably STILL won't believe it.

the denial and complete delusion is incredible..

Hulkster · « **Reply #169 on:** June 17, 2008, 04:37:59 PM »

no doubt ND will continue to whine and cry about 'photoshopped' pics and 'ad populum' arguments even though this thread has completely and clearly shown that not only are the screencaps of yours that I regularly post NOT touched up, but that the argument for ronnie's dominance is NOT a fallicious ad populum argument..

then again, thats what we should expect from someone who deadlifts hamburgers for a living LOL

Maybe ND and dorian could open up a restaurant: hahhahahaha

England_1 · « **Reply #170 on:** June 17, 2008, 04:40:58 PM »

Hulkster has no life beyond sackriding a person he's never even met before hahahah bumping the Team Yates winning Truce Thread for months all by himself and littering countless threads with pictures of Ronnie nearly a decade old, leading to the unanimous decision by GetBig that Hulkster has both mental and sexual problems LOL

Hulkster · « **Reply #171 on:** June 17, 2008, 04:57:16 PM »

as we can see with the above post, even ND's bitches have given up - they have been owned silenced and humiliated with this thread.

much like ND on the truce thread that he ran away from in total shame.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #172 on:** June 17, 2008, 05:34:48 PM »

Quote from: bizzy on June 17, 2008, 04:14:58 PM

Think what you want ND...
That is what my video looks like only even better.
I could send you the video itself and it still wouldn't convince you.
If you think my other ones are shopped, use Forced Reps video or
DVD screencaps. Iceman has a DVD copy of my video so ask him:
but you probably won't believe him either. I'm not going to waste my time on here
trying to convince you. I took a couple of shots off my TV before I got my DVD
Recorder and posted them but you'll think I photoshopped them too.

1st pic from a dig cam...

4th pic from GMV 1999 Grand Prix.. very close to the same color/resolution.

Bullshit you're busted by two professionals period end of sentence. and here is the best part you admitted to using the sharping tool I'm surprised no one caught this earlier but you played your hand and flooded the market with counterfeit pictures trying to pass them off as how he looked and it isn't

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg2534946#msg2534946

dude give it up you're busted you used the sharp tool on your screencaps

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #173 on:** June 17, 2008, 05:37:34 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 17, 2008, 04:11:14 PM

actually ND is the only one having this discussion.

no one else questions the validity of how Ronnie looked that night.

only ND so he can save his hero dorian..

Kevin busted you and your boy lol its over like the truce thread dummy. see above

Hulkster · « **Reply #174 on:** June 17, 2008, 05:38:53 PM »

I think I might send my video to kmhphoto LOL

maybe they can see who "tampered" with it..

this thread is one of the most retarded ever, and ND is being as stupid as I have ever seen him.

Bizzy is making a delusional liar out of ND and he is ignoring it and ranting on as usual as if nothing has been shown to him..