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CEOs Still Getting Big Bucks Despite a Slowed Economy
« on: June 15, 2008, 03:05:06 PM »
As long as the company is profitable and shareholders are happy, this really shouldn't be a big deal IMO. 

CEOs Still Getting Big Bucks Despite a Slowed Economy
Sunday, June 15, 2008

Merrill Lynch head John Thain received a $83 million pay package as it was suffering its worst-ever losses last year.
Merrill Lynch head John Thain received a $83 million pay package as it was suffering its worst-ever losses last year.
 NEW YORK —  As the American economy slowed to a crawl and stockholders watched their money evaporate, CEO pay still chugged to yet more dizzying heights last year, an Associated Press analysis shows.

The AP review of compensation for the heads of companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 index finds the median pay package added up to nearly $8.4 million. That's a comfortable gain of about $280,000 from 2006.

The 3 1/2 percent pay increase for CEOs came even as the landscape for both workers and shareholders darkened considerably and the economy was choked by a housing market in free fall, layoffs and soaring prices for fuel and food.

At the top of the AP list: John Thain, who took the reins of Merrill Lynch on Dec. 1, 2007. His $83 million pay package was supercharged by a signing bonus and other enticements that lured him from the New York Stock Exchange to lead the investment bank as it was suffering its worst-ever losses.

Collectively, the 10 best-paid CEOs made more than half a billion dollars last year. Yet half the members of this stratospheric club were leading companies whose profits shrank dramatically.

The AP examination of CEO pay in 2007 mined data from the 410 companies in the S&P 500 that filed compensation disclosures with federal regulators in the first six months of this year.

The AP's formula, based on data from the past two years, adds up salary, perks, bonuses, above-market interest on pay set aside for later, and company estimates for the value of stock options and stock awards on the day they were granted last year.

That provides a clearer picture than pay totals required by the Securities and Exchange Commission, compensation experts say, because the SEC totals include expenses companies book during the year for previously granted stock compensation and retirement benefits.

The value of stock and options given to CEOs may turn out to be significantly higher or lower if they are ultimately cashed out, but the numbers in the AP formula do reflect the board of directors' estimate of the likely eventual payout.

The median salary figure of about $8.4 million means half the CEOs in the AP analysis made more than that and half made less.

There were some signs companies were pulling back on pay at the top: Out of the 316 companies in the AP survey that had the same CEO two years running, about two-fifths lowered the total pay package for their CEOs. However, the primary culprit for some was falling stock prices that cut into the value of the shares included in pay packages.

In many more cases, overall pay ballooned.

Rick Wagoner, chief executive of General Motors Corp., announced earlier this month the company had to close four plants that make trucks and SUVs because of lagging demand as fuel prices soar. That followed the posting a $39 billion loss in 2007, a year when its stock price fell by about 19 percent, without adjusting for dividends.

And Wagoner? His pay rose 64 percent, to $15.7 million.

Last year was rocky for the economy and the stock market, making it a useful test of a concept called pay for performance—a term companies use to sell shareholders on the idea CEOs are being paid based on how well the company does.

According to this concept, trotted out frequently by the compensation committees of corporate boards in their proxy statements, a big chunk of CEO pay is considered "at risk," meaning it could disappear if CEOs don't meet established metrics.

But the AP analysis found that CEO pay rose and fell regardless of the direction of a company's stock price or profits.

Take KB Home, battered by the subprime lending crisis and the weak housing market. According to the Los Angeles-based homebuilder's proxy statement, CEO Jeffrey Mezger is entitled to a cash bonus based on a percentage of KB's profit.

The problem was there was no profit. KB Home lost almost $930 million in 2007 and its stock lost 60 percent of its value. But Mezger still made $24.4 million, as valued by the AP, including a $6 million cash bonus.

He pocketed that bonus because he exceeded certain objectives the board had set out for him. Among them were improving performance on a customer satisfaction survey and developing senior leadership in his first year as CEO.

"Compensation has become a shell game," said Richard Ferlauto, director of pension and benefits policy for the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, a Washington labor group representing government workers.

"So they take away the bonus," he said, "but then they still come up with ways to make sure the executive gets a big payout."

Pay packages were somewhat smaller in the financial industry last year—banks, investment firms, mortgage companies, insurers and other institutions, all were roiled by the subprime lending disaster.

For companies in the financial sector that had the same CEO two years in a row, median pay dropped 4 1/4 percent to $8.7 million in 2007. But that was still a smaller decline than the 6 percent drop in earnings and 15 percent slump in stock prices before dividend adjustments, according to Standard & Poor's Capital IQ data service.

In some cases, companies appeared at first glance to have kept their promise to base pay on performance—only to have a different picture emerge on closer inspection.

For example, Washington Mutual Inc.'s stock took a nosedive last year—almost 70 percent—because of fallout from the housing and mortgage crises. The Seattle-base banking and mortgage lender lost $1.87 billion in the fourth quarter alone, and $67 million for the year.

WaMu's board decided not to give CEO Kerry Killinger a bonus for 2007. But board members also eliminated real-estate foreclosures and mortgage defaults as factors in whether to award him a bonus this year. After a shareholder revolt, the board decided to revise the formula, though it has not yet announced what metrics will be used.

Profit at insurer XL Capital fell more than 80 percent last year, and its stock price slumped about 30 percent. But Chief Executive Brian O'Hara made $7.5 million, a raise of 23 percent.

In its proxy statement, the company called its profits "unsatisfactory" but said operating earnings, which exclude certain factors, were better than planned.

O'Hara, who plans to retire later this year, was also given 62,500 shares of restricted stock and 250,000 stock options, which were not included in the calculation of his total compensation. The company said that was to "reflect the importance of Mr. O'Hara's role in the CEO succession process."

"The cracks in the idea of pay for performance really start to show when performance falters but pay still rises," said Paul Hodgson, senior research associate at The Corporate Library, an independent corporate governance research firm. "It's always a win-win scenario for executives."

Even companies with huge profits and soaring stock prices can be faulted for not following the principle of pay for performance, according to some experts on corporate pay.

As an example, these experts cite the energy industry, where CEOs in the AP survey chalked up a median 32 percent gain in 2007.

It's no secret that profits at oil and gas companies have raced higher in recent years, and stock prices have followed. But that's not necessarily because CEOs are more skillful at operating their businesses. The boon has more to do with the surge in the price of oil, which this year topped $130 a barrel for the first time on the New York Mercantile Exchange. "The issue of an escalated price of oil shouldn't flow back in to executives' wallets, but to shareholders in the form of higher dividends," said activist investor Gerald R. Armstrong of Denver, who owns shares in XTO Energy Inc.

XTO's CEO Bob Simpson, with annual compensation of more than $50 million, has ranked in the AP's list of the 10 highest-paid chief executives for the past two years.

Pay consultants say that illustrates a weakness in executive pay programs. When outside factors help the bottom line, CEOs tend to benefit personally as well. But the opposite is not generally true, said Bill Coleman, chief compensation officer for Salary.com, which provides corporate pay information.

"How convenient," he said. "I take credit for everything good and I blame external factors for anything bad, but say that shouldn't affect my pay."

There were examples of companies that really did cut back on pay during a bad year.

Department store operator Dillard's Inc., plagued by falling sales, profits and stock value, cut CEO William Dillard's pay package by two- thirds, to $1.1 million, according to the AP calculation.

Of course, compensation is not always designed to reflect how the company does in the year it's handed out. Sometimes boards give out bonuses to the CEO for a strong performance a year earlier, and sometimes they are pegged to future performance goals.

At investment bank Morgan Stanley, CEO John Mack was paid a total of $41.7 million for 2007, a rough year for the bank. That made him No. 8 on the AP list of CEOs.

But Mack's pay was largely tied to his performance in 2006. The investment bank said in February that Mack would not be taking home a bonus for 2007 because of the company's heavy losses in the subprime lending crisis.

At Merrill Lynch, part of Thain's $83.1 million pay package hinges on whether the stock rises. He got options on 1.8 million shares as part of his signing agreement, but two-thirds of them will only vest if the price of Merrill stock clears specific hurdles for 15 straight trading days.

Right now Merrill shares trade at about $35, far from the $80 a share level that has to be reached for the first bundle of Thain's options to be in the money.

Shareholders aren't in the boardroom when pay decisions are made, but at some companies they are gaining clout and holding directors more accountable.

In May, insurer Aflac Inc. became the first major U.S. company to give investors a vote on how senior management is paid, and shareholder proposals requesting an annual nonbinding vote on pay received slightly more support at U.S. companies this year.

This issue has also spilled onto the presidential campaign trail. Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain support giving shareholders some say on executive pay. Obama wants to legislate it, while McCain says companies should make the move themselves.

The votes would be nonbinding, but they would still shine more light on executive pay.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,367202,00.html

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Re: CEOs Still Getting Big Bucks Despite a Slowed Economy
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2008, 03:06:41 PM »
As long as the company doesn't pay big bonuses, then ask the govt for bailouts shortly afterwards, I'm fine with it.  If the economy and market dictate they can't get the bonuses and remain profitable, the bonuses will end.

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Re: CEOs Still Getting Big Bucks Despite a Slowed Economy
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2008, 03:27:06 PM »
Good for them IMO. Someone wants to pay me $83 million, I'm there!  :D

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Re: CEOs Still Getting Big Bucks Despite a Slowed Economy
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2008, 03:36:04 PM »
Good for them IMO. Someone wants to pay me $83 million, I'm there!  :D

Me too.   ;D

On the other hand, how is this for chutzpah:

Posted on: Friday, June 13, 2008
No $600,000 bonus for Aloha's ex-CEO
Judge rejects request, saying airline's collapse doesn't merit windfall
Listen to the Judge blast bonus plan

By Rick Daysog
Advertiser Staff Writer

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Lloyd King yesterday rejected a bonus request of up to $600,000 for former Aloha Airlines CEO David Banmiller, saying Banmiller should not "make a windfall off a collapse of the company."

Hawaii Super Ferry Aloha, the state's No. 2 carrier, shut down its passenger service on March 31 and laid off 1,900 workers with little prior warning.

When an attorney argued it would be fair to pay a bonus to Banmiller and former Aloha Chief Financial Officer Jeffrey Kessler as they work to sell parts of the company, King said:

"I don't think fairness is an appropriate thing to discuss unless you want to talk about fairness to people who lost their jobs on virtually no notice (and) the hardship that has been imposed upon thousands of people. Now we have the top insiders potentially making a big score on this case. I think that's a very ugly aspect of this motion.

"It simply looks bad when the people who are with the company can make more money when it's going out of business than when it is a going concern."

Last month, the airline's court-appointed bankruptcy trustee, Dane Field, proposed paying Banmiller and Kessler incentives for helping sell off the carrier's assets. Under the plan, the two would get $50,000 each if the sale of Aloha's air cargo operations, contract services division and other assets fetches $19.25 million or more.

The two could receive as much as $600,000 each if the sale of Aloha's remaining assets fetches more than $26.5 million.

Those payments would be made by Aloha's chief lender GMAC Commercial Finance LLC from the proceeds of the asset sales.

The bonuses are on top of the $500 an hour that Banmiller and Kessler are now being paid to help the airline sell off its assets. The hourly pay is capped at $25,000 a month.

Prior to the bankruptcy, Banmiller received $500,000 a year in base salary as Aloha's CEO. When hired as Aloha's CFO in 2005, Kessler and his Atlanta-based firm Tatum CFO Partners received $3,000 a week, or $156,000 a year.

When reached by phone yesterday, Banmiller and Kessler declined to comment.

. . . .

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080613/NEWS01/806130382/1001/LOCALNEWSFRONT

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Re: CEOs Still Getting Big Bucks Despite a Slowed Economy
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2008, 03:47:01 PM »
As long as the company is profitable and shareholders are happy, this really shouldn't be a big deal IMO. 

The companies listed in the story were not profitable - that was a central theme of the article

CEOs Still Getting Big Bucks Despite a Slowed Economy
Sunday, June 15, 2008

Merrill Lynch head John Thain received a $83 million pay package as it was suffering its worst-ever losses last year.
Merrill Lynch head John Thain received a $83 million pay package as it was suffering its worst-ever losses last year.

 NEW YORK —  As the American economy slowed to a crawl and stockholders watched their money evaporate, CEO pay still chugged to yet more dizzying heights last year, an Associated Press analysis shows.

The AP review of compensation for the heads of companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 index finds the median pay package added up to nearly $8.4 million. That's a comfortable gain of about $280,000 from 2006.

The 3 1/2 percent pay increase for CEOs came even as the landscape for both workers and shareholders darkened considerably and the economy was choked by a housing market in free fall, layoffs and soaring prices for fuel and food.

At the top of the AP list: John Thain, who took the reins of Merrill Lynch on Dec. 1, 2007. His $83 million pay package was supercharged by a signing bonus and other enticements that lured him from the New York Stock Exchange to lead the investment bank as it was suffering its worst-ever losses.

Collectively, the 10 best-paid CEOs made more than half a billion dollars last year. Yet half the members of this stratospheric club were leading companies whose profits shrank dramatically.

The AP examination of CEO pay in 2007 mined data from the 410 companies in the S&P 500 that filed compensation disclosures with federal regulators in the first six months of this year.

The AP's formula, based on data from the past two years, adds up salary, perks, bonuses, above-market interest on pay set aside for later, and company estimates for the value of stock options and stock awards on the day they were granted last year.

That provides a clearer picture than pay totals required by the Securities and Exchange Commission, compensation experts say, because the SEC totals include expenses companies book during the year for previously granted stock compensation and retirement benefits.

The value of stock and options given to CEOs may turn out to be significantly higher or lower if they are ultimately cashed out, but the numbers in the AP formula do reflect the board of directors' estimate of the likely eventual payout.

The median salary figure of about $8.4 million means half the CEOs in the AP analysis made more than that and half made less.

There were some signs companies were pulling back on pay at the top: Out of the 316 companies in the AP survey that had the same CEO two years running, about two-fifths lowered the total pay package for their CEOs. However, the primary culprit for some was falling stock prices that cut into the value of the shares included in pay packages.

In many more cases, overall pay ballooned.

Rick Wagoner, chief executive of General Motors Corp., announced earlier this month the company had to close four plants that make trucks and SUVs because of lagging demand as fuel prices soar. That followed the posting a $39 billion loss in 2007, a year when its stock price fell by about 19 percent, without adjusting for dividends.

And Wagoner? His pay rose 64 percent, to $15.7 million.

Last year was rocky for the economy and the stock market, making it a useful test of a concept called pay for performance—a term companies use to sell shareholders on the idea CEOs are being paid based on how well the company does.

According to this concept, trotted out frequently by the compensation committees of corporate boards in their proxy statements, a big chunk of CEO pay is considered "at risk," meaning it could disappear if CEOs don't meet established metrics.

But the AP analysis found that CEO pay rose and fell regardless of the direction of a company's stock price or profits.[/b]

Take KB Home, battered by the subprime lending crisis and the weak housing market. According to the Los Angeles-based homebuilder's proxy statement, CEO Jeffrey Mezger is entitled to a cash bonus based on a percentage of KB's profit.
The problem was there was no profit. KB Home lost almost $930 million in 2007 and its stock lost 60 percent of its value. But Mezger still made $24.4 million, as valued by the AP, including a $6 million cash bonus.

He pocketed that bonus because he exceeded certain objectives the board had set out for him. Among them were improving performance on a customer satisfaction survey and developing senior leadership in his first year as CEO.

"Compensation has become a shell game," said Richard Ferlauto, director of pension and benefits policy for the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, a Washington labor group representing government workers.

"So they take away the bonus," he said, "but then they still come up with ways to make sure the executive gets a big payout."

Pay packages were somewhat smaller in the financial industry last year—banks, investment firms, mortgage companies, insurers and other institutions, all were roiled by the subprime lending disaster.

For companies in the financial sector that had the same CEO two years in a row, median pay dropped 4 1/4 percent to $8.7 million in 2007. But that was still a smaller decline than the 6 percent drop in earnings and 15 percent slump in stock prices before dividend adjustments, according to Standard & Poor's Capital IQ data service.

In some cases, companies appeared at first glance to have kept their promise to base pay on performance—only to have a different picture emerge on closer inspection.

For example, Washington Mutual Inc.'s stock took a nosedive last year—almost 70 percent—because of fallout from the housing and mortgage crises. The Seattle-base banking and mortgage lender lost $1.87 billion in the fourth quarter alone, and $67 million for the year.

WaMu's board decided not to give CEO Kerry Killinger a bonus for 2007. But board members also eliminated real-estate foreclosures and mortgage defaults as factors in whether to award him a bonus this year. After a shareholder revolt, the board decided to revise the formula, though it has not yet announced what metrics will be used.

Profit at insurer XL Capital fell more than 80 percent last year, and its stock price slumped about 30 percent. But Chief Executive Brian O'Hara made $7.5 million, a raise of 23 percent.

In its proxy statement, the company called its profits "unsatisfactory" but said operating earnings, which exclude certain factors, were better than planned.

O'Hara, who plans to retire later this year, was also given 62,500 shares of restricted stock and 250,000 stock options, which were not included in the calculation of his total compensation. The company said that was to "reflect the importance of Mr. O'Hara's role in the CEO succession process."

"The cracks in the idea of pay for performance really start to show when performance falters but pay still rises," said Paul Hodgson, senior research associate at The Corporate Library, an independent corporate governance research firm. "It's always a win-win scenario for executives."

Even companies with huge profits and soaring stock prices can be faulted for not following the principle of pay for performance, according to some experts on corporate pay.

As an example, these experts cite the energy industry, where CEOs in the AP survey chalked up a median 32 percent gain in 2007.

It's no secret that profits at oil and gas companies have raced higher in recent years, and stock prices have followed. But that's not necessarily because CEOs are more skillful at operating their businesses. The boon has more to do with the surge in the price of oil, which this year topped $130 a barrel for the first time on the New York Mercantile Exchange. "The issue of an escalated price of oil shouldn't flow back in to executives' wallets, but to shareholders in the form of higher dividends," said activist investor Gerald R. Armstrong of Denver, who owns shares in XTO Energy Inc.

XTO's CEO Bob Simpson, with annual compensation of more than $50 million, has ranked in the AP's list of the 10 highest-paid chief executives for the past two years.

Pay consultants say that illustrates a weakness in executive pay programs. When outside factors help the bottom line, CEOs tend to benefit personally as well. But the opposite is not generally true, said Bill Coleman, chief compensation officer for Salary.com, which provides corporate pay information.

"How convenient," he said. "I take credit for everything good and I blame external factors for anything bad, but say that shouldn't affect my pay."

There were examples of companies that really did cut back on pay during a bad year.

Department store operator Dillard's Inc., plagued by falling sales, profits and stock value, cut CEO William Dillard's pay package by two- thirds, to $1.1 million, according to the AP calculation.

Of course, compensation is not always designed to reflect how the company does in the year it's handed out. Sometimes boards give out bonuses to the CEO for a strong performance a year earlier, and sometimes they are pegged to future performance goals.

At investment bank Morgan Stanley, CEO John Mack was paid a total of $41.7 million for 2007, a rough year for the bank. That made him No. 8 on the AP list of CEOs.

But Mack's pay was largely tied to his performance in 2006. The investment bank said in February that Mack would not be taking home a bonus for 2007 because of the company's heavy losses in the subprime lending crisis.

At Merrill Lynch, part of Thain's $83.1 million pay package hinges on whether the stock rises. He got options on 1.8 million shares as part of his signing agreement, but two-thirds of them will only vest if the price of Merrill stock clears specific hurdles for 15 straight trading days.

Right now Merrill shares trade at about $35, far from the $80 a share level that has to be reached for the first bundle of Thain's options to be in the money.

Shareholders aren't in the boardroom when pay decisions are made, but at some companies they are gaining clout and holding directors more accountable.

In May, insurer Aflac Inc. became the first major U.S. company to give investors a vote on how senior management is paid, and shareholder proposals requesting an annual nonbinding vote on pay received slightly more support at U.S. companies this year.

This issue has also spilled onto the presidential campaign trail. Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain support giving shareholders some say on executive pay. Obama wants to legislate it, while McCain says companies should make the move themselves.

The votes would be nonbinding, but they would still shine more light on executive pay.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,367202,00.html

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Re: CEOs Still Getting Big Bucks Despite a Slowed Economy
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2008, 03:52:33 PM »
They went to school, paid their dues, and work to keep the company going, regardless of the economic cycle they get paid, cry me a river. 






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Re: CEOs Still Getting Big Bucks Despite a Slowed Economy
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2008, 12:44:29 PM »
Complaints about CEO pay unlikely to result in mandates
By Marcy Gordon
Associated Press

WASHINGTON » Investors who want some say in how corporate executives are paid will know the next president supports their cause - but there are differences in how to get there.
Sen. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, has proposed writing the concept, known as "say on pay," into law. Republican Sen. John McCain wants to encourage companies to give shareholders a say but without legislating the idea.

The McCain approach is similar to what President Bush has done - jawboning corporate America over extravagant pay packages but opposing "say on pay" legislation.

Both candidates recognize the public dismay over lavish CEO pay, which often soars even when performance measures such as share price and earnings do not. Executive pay rings a strong populist tone on Capitol Hill and the campaign trail, especially when the economy is stumbling .

"It becomes a way of making the income-inequality argument and the corporate-greed argument," said Kathleen Hall Jamieson, an expert on political communication at the University of Pennsylvania.

In March, the head of Countrywide Financial Corp. and the former heads of Merrill Lynch & Co. and Citigroup Inc. were called in for a public shaming before a House committee for pocketing hundreds of millions while the subprime mortgage crisis hammered their companies with losses.

Weeks later, while campaigning, McCain told a crowd: "Americans are also right to be offended when the extravagant salaries and severance deals of CEOs - in some cases, the very same CEOs who helped to bring on these market troubles - bear no relation to the success of the company or the wishes of shareholders."

Obama has also taken a tough stance, talking about how the average CEO in the United States earned 262 times the pay of the average worker in 2005.

"Put another way, a CEO earned more in one workday than an average worker earned in a year," he has said.

"Say on pay" is gaining traction among investors. At more than 90 companies, investors and public pension funds that control more than $1 trillion in shares have filed proposals calling for a nonbinding vote for shareholders on CEO pay, according to corporate-governance tracker Walden Asset Management.

Those resolutions have won majority votes at eight companies: Apple Inc., Alaska Air Group Inc., Ingersoll-Rand Co., Lexmark International Group Inc., PG&E Corp. (parent of Pacific Gas and Electric Co.), Motorola Inc., South Financial Group Inc. and Tech Data Corp. Not all those companies' boards have adopted the shareholder vote. But other boards have.

"Say on pay" legislation cleared the House last year by a 2-to-1 margin but has gone nowhere in the Senate. It has been opposed by the White House and most Republicans.

Obama last year introduced a bill in the Senate that would require companies to allow nonbinding shareholder votes on executive compensation packages, though his proposal wouldn't cap or limit CEO pay.

Hillary Rodham Clinton, who recently suspended her campaign for the Democratic nomination, also has introduced a bill that would give shareholders a nonbinding vote on executives' pay packages.

The legislation won't necessarily become law, though. Populist rhetoric and bold legislative proposals play well, but enacting laws to change corporate governance is another matter.

http://starbulletin.com/2008/06/16/business/story02.html

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Re: CEOs Still Getting Big Bucks Despite a Slowed Economy
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2008, 07:09:05 AM »
Companies should not allow their CEOs & COOs to increase profits as the companies and investors loose $.  I hate more mandates and federal regulation.  These companies should police themselves by the board of directors having some common sense.

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Re: CEOs Still Getting Big Bucks Despite a Slowed Economy
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2008, 07:19:01 AM »
They went to school, paid their dues, and work to keep the company going, regardless of the economic cycle they get paid, cry me a river. 

Let me guess - you're white and (almost) middle class, eh? 

It's not about 'economic cycle' - it's 'how did the company's stock perform on your watch?'

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Re: CEOs Still Getting Big Bucks Despite a Slowed Economy
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2008, 07:22:09 AM »
Let me guess - you're white and (almost) middle class, eh? 

It's not about 'economic cycle' - it's 'how did the company's stock perform on your watch?'

Let me guess your black and the world owes you?

Stocks have ups and down that are not even based on fundamentals. A company can make it's mark and the street will still sell it off, just based on it not hitting expectations.

Yeah it has everything to do about the economic cycle.




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Re: CEOs Still Getting Big Bucks Despite a Slowed Economy
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2008, 07:41:00 AM »
Companies should not allow their CEOs & COOs to increase profits as the companies and investors loose $.  I hate more mandates and federal regulation.  These companies should police themselves by the board of directors having some common sense.

Although I rarely have his show on anymore, Rush had some good stuff to say about this yesterday...noting how nothing's going to happen to the Countrywide people, because they're the ones who gave so much in favorable loans to many of the Washington Democrats (Rush claims that they ALL got loans, but still). 

As I've been saying all along, although the current Republican regime wants to eliminate the middle class, the Democrats are certainly no better in that they want a 'struggling' middle class that is unable to build any wealth.