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[webcake]

                                
                             
                          
                       
                    
               

[RZA]

good for you, go find a natural bodybuilding board then, you would be a good asset there, here you just act like an ass.

You seem to know your shit when it comes to acting like an ass. A dozen posts in a row of typical Bbing nuthugging: "It takes a lot of dedication, etc....will power, higher pain treshold and all the usual bullshit" to convince people who have no need to be convinced because guess what? They train, they eat, diet, do the usual stuff most people who lift weights do. Most of them know their shit, the infos are out there, there's no need to be a fuckin' rocket scientist to find out how to train, how to eat, to see what the possibilities are, to experiment. The major difference between most people here and pros is that even those who juice are not stupid enough to do 1/4 the drugs those guys do.

[Chick]

LOL...what a joke of a thread ...a bunch of loses on the internet trying to justify why they're where they are in life....classic.

And by all means, use probably the two WORST examples in Kevin and Tom...two guys who are retired pros, who don't train or take steroids, don't follow a eating program, etc....

I see many retired pros at every show like Labrada, Gaspari, Larry Scott, Bill Pearl, Serge Nubret, Bill Grant, etc.... that look very good and maintain a scaled down version of what they looked like in their prime...because they still train and eat regularly.

Keep up the god work. boys...it's justification that makes not achieving anything an easier pill to swallow.

[roc]

bingo!!!!

[Brutal_1]

LOL...what a joke of a thread ...a bunch of loses on the internet trying to justify why they're where they are in life....classic.

And by all means, use probably the two WORST examples in Kevin and Tom...two guys who are retired pros, who don't train or take steroids, don't follow a eating program, etc....

I see many retired pros at every show like Labrada, Gaspari, Larry Scott, Bill Pearl, Serge Nubret, Bill Grant, etc.... that look very good and maintain a scaled down version of what they looked like in their prime...because they still train and eat regularly.

Keep up the god work. boys...it's justification that makes not achieving anything an easier pill to swallow.

Chick, are you implying that croatch is "THE GRENCH THAT STOLE BODYBUILDING SPIRIT" 

[TrueGrit]

Goatboy is right, of course. He isn't putting forward something revolutionary or outrageous. He is merely stating what is patently obvious to most of us. I would also add that, for me, the single most important genetic factor is the genetic response to AAS. Some will truly 'blow up' - obviously genetics are then also important in how that will actually look.

 The whole argument the drugs are a minor little finishing touch is absurd and insulting. They would not spend the huge amounts of money on them that they do if it were the case. They also wouldn't shrink down to pathetically small sizes the moment they are off them for a sustained period. The drugs and their response to them is the key. Look at Coleman before and after he got on a 'decent' drug programme. He went from Olympia makeweight to No1 almost overnight.

 Of course they appeal to hard work, dedication to diet etc..but these are things that most serious trainers also do right. The fact is that  pro bodybuilders are not the best people to talk to about this as they are habitual liars, over-compensators, and , somewhat understandably, loath to actually admit the really defining factor in their success is the response their body has to sticking a needle in their ass.

[RZA]

LOL...what a joke of a thread ...a bunch of loses on the internet trying to justify why they're where they are in life....classic.

And by all means, use probably the two WORST examples in Kevin and Tom...two guys who are retired pros, who don't train or take steroids, don't follow a eating program, etc....

I see many retired pros at every show like Labrada, Gaspari, Larry Scott, Bill Pearl, Serge Nubret, Bill Grant, etc.... that look very good and maintain a scaled down version of what they looked like in their prime...because they still train and eat regularly.

Keep up the god work. boys...it's justification that makes not achieving anything an easier pill to swallow.

Such great examples!  
Why not talk about Benaziza, Munzer, De Mayo? Oh shit, I forgot they're dead!

[Chick]

Such great examples!  
Why not talk about Benaziza, Munzer, De Mayo? Oh shit, I forgot they're dead!

People die in every sport (and in life)...the list from them is much longer than in BB.

[flagadajones]

it's interesting to see that bob chick considers that people who don't share his passion for the bbing industry and everything that is related to it (steroids) are "losers".

I guess that people who don't lift to "compete" on a bodybuilding stage are moron in his opinion.



And it's also interesting to see how insecure he is about his own steroid use, being out of competition but still feeling the need to inject anabolic steroids to keep feeling like a he-man.

But we all know he would just be another 180 lbs guy without it, and somehow I think that it hurts him badly that every fan now figures it out with the recent revelations in the "industry".

Looks like everyone has a weakness.

[TrueGrit]

And by all means, use probably the two WORST examples in Kevin and Tom...two guys who are retired pros, who don't train or take steroids, don't follow a eating program, etc....

 Lol. You always undermine your own arguments Bob. The thread is about people being 'all drugs' and you use them not taking drugs as an example of why they're so small. Classic

[RZA]

People die in every sport (and in life)...the list from them is much longer than in BB.

Come on, you're a smart man, Chick. Guys like Scott, Pearl, even Nubret (and those who actually have seen Nubret in person know that he looks in much better shape on pics than he actually is) are from a different era. And Labrada was the less "AAS dependant" of all the top competitors of his time. Let's give it some time and see what becomes of Ronnie, DJ, Cutler, etc...Levrone and Prince are not the only ones to look like shit. Nasser comes to mind also. Titus doesn't look that good either in his orange suit and he's got plenty of time to workout like every other inmate.

[roc]

dude have you seen pic's of bob when he was 16. he was a beast back then without gear. if bob stopped his supplements but continue to train he would still maintain a bodybuilder look. no doubt. he has the genetics, and the science of it down. of course not as big but still look like a bodybuilder. no doubt

[flagadajones]

People die in every sport (and in life)...the list from them is much longer than in BB.

I bet that even if you had to get off steroids for health related issues you would keep taking steroids, because all your life and what you are rely on the miracle drug.

 I've never seen you so angry and scornful toward the potential "fans" / customers that post here since cutler admited to steroids , the release of HBFS, the boevian guy story, the levrone video ; all of this seems to have destabilized you somehow.


Well, at least it shows you like you are; You obviously think very low of all the teens and adults who buy crap from bbing .com , I guess you re most of the time making fun of them, these very same "stupid noobs" who aren't "in the know" and that make 99,9 % of the customers of bbing.com.


I guess the "fans" are ok in your book as long as they don't figure what it's all about and who people like you truly are; hypocritical liars who inject steroids for a living while selling bullshit supps and mocking the very same people who believe they can get as "big" as you with the shitty powders you promote lol



 

[RZA]

I bet that even if you had to get off steroids for health related issues you would keep taking steroids, because all your life and what you are rely on the miracle drug.

 I've never seen you so angry and scornful toward the potential "fans" / customers that post here since cutler admited to steroids , the release of HBFS, the boevian guy story, the levrone video ; all of this seems to have destabilized you somehow.


Well, at least it shows you like you are; You obviously think very low of all the teens and adults who buy crap from bbing .com , I guess you re most of the time making fun of them, these very same "stupid noobs" who aren't "in the know" and that make 99,9 % of the customers of bbing.com.


I guess the "fans" are ok in your book as long as they don't figure what it's all about and who people like you truly are; hypocritical liars who inject steroids for a living while selling bullshit supps and mocking the very same people who believe they can get as "big" as you with the shitty powders you promote lol

On spot, specially the "shitty powders" stuff! It's amazing that some people will assume that fans are gullable to such a point...the worse thing beeing that most of the fans are actually that gullable.

[flagadajones]

The "bodybuilding" lifestyle/ideal has taken serious blows lately with people from the inside of the industry spilling the beans about what it's truly all about and how pointless it seems to be to most of them in the end.

[Chick]

it's interesting to see that bob chick considers that people who don't share his passion for the bbing industry and everything that is related to it (steroids) are "losers".

I guess that people who don't lift to "compete" on a bodybuilding stage are moron in his opinion.



And it's also interesting to see how insecure he is about his own steroid use, being out of competition but still feeling the need to inject anabolic steroids to keep feeling like a he-man.

But we all know he would just be another 180 lbs guy without it, and somehow I think that it hurts him badly that every fan now figures it out with the recent revelations in the "industry".

Looks like everyone has a weakness.

I see the need to label LOSERS as people that feel the need to put down those who have achieved something in life (in this case BB)...and attribute all the success to one element of that success. It's the same attitude that people have in regards to a actor that made it "because his/ her father is a big time producer"....that may have gotten the door open, but if they suck, they suck...

I find it even more amusing that people who have NEVER taken steroids, are commenting on what they do, how much they're responsible for, etc.....comical to say the least.

You then make assumptions that I'm still taking anything....just what do you base that on??

As for being just another 180 lb. guy without it....I was over that as a Natural TEEN competitor, being tested and winning shows...and placed 5th at 196 lbs natural, at the 1990 Nationals...also tested.

Whats your excuse now?

[Chick]

I bet that even if you had to get off steroids for health related issues you would keep taking steroids, because all your life and what you are rely on the miracle drug.

 I've never seen you so angry and scornful toward the potential "fans" / customers that post here since cutler admited to steroids , the release of HBFS, the boevian guy story, the levrone video ; all of this seems to have destabilized you somehow.


Well, at least it shows you like you are; You obviously think very low of all the teens and adults who buy crap from bbing .com , I guess you re most of the time making fun of them, these very same "stupid noobs" who aren't "in the know" and that make 99,9 % of the customers of bbing.com.


I guess the "fans" are ok in your book as long as they don't figure what it's all about and who people like you truly are; hypocritical liars who inject steroids for a living while selling bullshit supps and mocking the very same people who believe they can get as "big" as you with the shitty powders you promote lol



 

What maes you think I'm taking anything now? My look?

Thanks for making my argument for me....

Lets not confuse people...."fans" (true ones) don't go around badmouthing, taking cheap shots and trying to demean the accomplishments of pros...that's why they're FANS...LOSERS do all of the above to make themselves feel better about themselves like you're doing)

I've got news for you...95% of the busienss we generate at BB.com doesn't come from aspiring BBers.

[TrueGrit]

What maes you think I'm taking anything now?

 The fact that you yourself said that not taking any steroids was one of the reasons TP and KL had shrunk down to normal man size?

[Chick]

The fact that you yourself said that not taking any steroids was one of the reasons TP and KL had shrunk down to normal man size?

Not that I'm shocked, but you completely missed the point...

What I said was that neither of the two mentioned train, eat, supplement, take drugs, etc....

Both would be closer looking to their "day" if the just trained on a regular basis, and ate with any regularity.

Not too tough to understand.



And neither of which has anything to do with me...I maintain what I have without AAS because I built a base naturally, have been training for almost 30 years, AND I eat and  and supp consistantly.

[tom joad]

"IronMagazine" is being destroyed in this thread.  And Chick chiming in makes matters even worse. haha  

[chester_bbb]

LOL...what player in Football takes 3000mg of test, GH, Deca, Insulin and whatever else you want to throw in?  Oh oh, I'll answer that.............NONE!

How the fuck would you know that. You think Lyle Alzado didn't use that much you closet case.

[Van_Bilderass]

LOL...what a joke of a thread ...a bunch of loses on the internet trying to justify why they're where they are in life....classic.

And by all means, use probably the two WORST examples in Kevin and Tom...two guys who are retired pros, who don't train or take steroids, don't follow a eating program, etc....

I see many retired pros at every show like Labrada, Gaspari, Larry Scott, Bill Pearl, Serge Nubret, Bill Grant, etc.... that look very good and maintain a scaled down version of what they looked like in their prime...because they still train and eat regularly.

Keep up the god work. boys...it's justification that makes not achieving anything an easier pill to swallow.

Chick, please be honest. You know most of the one's you mention still cycle regularly or are on HRT or "HRT".

I would also bet anything you too are on "HRT". You might feel it isn't really cycling, that it's just a case of restoring hormones to youthful levels but I would humbly disagree.

You also say

I maintain what I have without AAS because I built a base naturally, have been training for almost 30 years, AND I eat and  and supp consistantly.

So you don't agree with Tom Prince that supplements are shit? I have seen Tom say supplements are total crap, creatine is shit and doesn't do anything and protein shakes are much worse than real food.

[G o a t b o y]

I have seen Tom say supplements are total crap, creatine is shit and doesn't do anything and protein shakes are much worse than real food.

Wow, Tom actually made a truthful statement.  Good for him! 

[TrueGrit]

And neither of which has anything to do with me...I maintain what I have without AAS because I built a base naturally, have been training for almost 30 years, AND I eat and  and supp consistantly.

 I don't think anyone would doubt that most professional bodybuilders have a genetic propensity toward building muscle. What is also a major factor is the amount of drugs used and, more importantly, the genetic response to those drugs in taking people to unprecedented levels of size.

  Bob, why did you spend many, many years turning yourself into a human pincushion with multiple injections of AAS, insulin and HGH if it wasn't for the fact that these drugs drastically changed your physique?

As the drugs have changed, so have the bodies.. while constants like eating well and training hard have not changed since the 20s - that's stunningly obvious.

[Monster_Everything]

When did we define 'achievement' as taking steroids and standing in front of a crowd of schmoes in a thong fully oiled up 

Epic showing how ignorant 'Chick' is to the 'Real World' .....