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Re: All drugs
« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2008, 09:01:35 AM »


Wow, Tom actually made a truthful statement.  Good for him!  :D

Doesn't Chick have a meal named after him at the Firehouse? I think that's what he ate postworkout and not some "recovery drink". I don't know what supplementation Chick was referring to but if it was vitamin and mineral supps those aren't going to maintain muscle after going off anabolics.

Chick, which supplements do you use?

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #76 on: June 18, 2008, 09:03:22 AM »
I think that by now whatever Chick will say will have zero credibility. This thread has turned into a massacre, which was pretty obvious from the start. Pro Bbbers should just keep their mouths shut, ignore the rest of the world as the rest of the world ignores them. It's best for both.

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2008, 09:14:11 AM »
this is Croatch's dream thread

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #78 on: June 18, 2008, 09:18:25 AM »
This thread has turned into a massacre


I was thinking it might go that way when I started the thread.   ;D
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Re: All drugs
« Reply #79 on: June 18, 2008, 09:19:49 AM »
So congrats! 'Cause I must say I'm enjoying it.

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #80 on: June 18, 2008, 09:24:53 AM »
i think a few guys are exceptions... phil heath being the perfet example of a guy who is just "all drug genetics"... (response to hormones)..... i mean 4 years ago he was 190 lb basketball player now hes a top contender in the ifbb... that is ALL response to hormones..

but for 99% of guys it is a combo of hard training over plenty of years, consitant diet over plenty of years, and also YES consistant heavy doseages of hormones over plenty of years...

and then theres another group of small excpetionswho could never be pro because they genetic response is not excellent, not average, but non existant. aka billygunz

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« Reply #81 on: June 18, 2008, 09:25:20 AM »
The pros are pissed when noobs and idiots who never juiced say it's all about the drugs and I understand that. Drugs are the easiest part of the equation, anyone can do them. Without the genetics and the time put in gym and at the table you're not going to turn pro.

However, there's a lot of people on this thread who acknowledge all this and do get it. But the pros minimize the impact drugs. Chick mentioned Labrada. From the pics I've seen he still uses. Without them he is just a tiny tiny man. Gaspari is a small man naturally too.

Platz is another one who is nothing off drugs, especially the upper body. I don't care how he trains or eats, without steroids he is real small even by regular Joe standards.

All the retired pros who look muscular to the desensitized eye of the bb fan still use. Drugs are just an integral part of what it takes to look muscular nowadays.

Mike Morris is one pro who got off and continued training and eating and mere months after he looked like nothing at all.

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #82 on: June 18, 2008, 09:27:45 AM »



but the biggest thing separating a 180-lb gym rat and a 280-lb pro is a whole shitload of AAS, GH, and insulin.


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« Reply #83 on: June 18, 2008, 09:30:10 AM »
The pros are pissed when noobs and idiots who never juiced say it's all about the drugs and I understand that. Drugs are the easiest part of the equation, anyone can do them. Without the genetics and the time put in gym and at the table you're not going to turn pro.

However, there's a lot of people on this thread who acknowledge all this and do get it. But the pros minimize the impact drugs. Chick mentioned Labrada. From the pics I've seen he still uses. Without them he is just a tiny tiny man. Gaspari is a small man naturally too.

Platz is another one who is nothing off drugs, especially the upper body. I don't care how he trains or eats, without steroids he is real small even by regular Joe standards.

All the retired pros who look muscular to the desensitized eye of the bb fan still use. Drugs are just an integral part of what it takes to look muscular nowadays.

Mike Morris is one pro who got off and continued training and eating and mere months after he looked like nothing at all.

The fact is that after several years of juicing, most guys have no hormonal response when they go "natural". Or it takes them a long time for the hormonal balance to get back to anything resembling to normality. Hence the "mega-fast shrinkage".

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #84 on: June 18, 2008, 09:36:53 AM »
All i see is there's no point discussing steroids with people who use them since they re 16 y/o.

These people are on drugs since so long they cannot even comprehend what it's like to be natural anymore, and they consider those who are as subhuman low scum losers like bob clearely stated it.



 

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #85 on: June 18, 2008, 09:37:55 AM »
Coming from drug addicts, I'll take the term "loser" as a compliment.

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #86 on: June 18, 2008, 09:40:44 AM »
cannot even comprehend what it's like to be natural anymore, and they consider those who are as subhuman low scum losers like bob clearely stated it.

i dont think thats true. even gh15 says he has got tremendous respect for the TRUE natural bodybuilders out there.

flagada if you are a lifetime natural and you keep plugging away i have got respect for that.  even though you constantly attacking me for no reason and i dont even know whoo you are... lol


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Re: All drugs
« Reply #87 on: June 18, 2008, 09:56:18 AM »
Many typical responses.  Mr. X works out, takes his protein shakes religiously, creatine, no2 etc buys flex magazine and attems to follow all the mostly bs workouts in there.  Still looks like crap and nothing even remotely like a bodybuilder, much less a pro bodybuilder.  So Mr. X starts taking steroids, gets a bit bigger, but still hardly looks like a bodybuilder and nowhere near a pro.  Mr. X becomes frustrated and jealous that he can't get anywhere near a decent bodybuilding level, much less a pro level and begins looking for an excuse. 

He can't use an eating excuse because that is in his control, he can't use a training excuse because that he is in control of, he refuses to use the genetics excuse because that in his mind is just unacceptable, so he chooses the only excuse left that he can't control.  He convinces himself that the pro must take an ungodly amount of steroids HGH etc to look like that.  Since Mr. X can't afford 60k of steroids a year like he believes the pro's take, he comes to getbig and decides to start bashing pro's when in reality it is deep seeded jealousy most of the time. 

BTW, ones response to steroids is also a part of genetics.  Some people grow instantly and immediately from reasonable doses while others can take large doses and get little.  Unfair?  Yes.  However that's life.

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #88 on: June 18, 2008, 12:51:42 PM »
Good post.  Spot on as usual

quoted for truth

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #89 on: June 18, 2008, 01:02:08 PM »
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Re: All drugs
« Reply #90 on: June 18, 2008, 01:03:06 PM »
Quoted for truth.
Thats not the truth.

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #91 on: June 18, 2008, 01:13:47 PM »
I think it's sad when 51 year old Canadian porn stars are in better shape than retired pro bodybuilders:

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #92 on: June 18, 2008, 01:17:29 PM »

I'm not against steroid use.  I'm against these guys using the ridiculous amounts and types of chemicals they do to achieve 90% of their results then execting us to consider them "athletes" or making ridiculous claims about how supposedly inconsequential the drugs are to their success.

Stop talking about Phil like that.
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Re: All drugs
« Reply #93 on: June 18, 2008, 01:30:48 PM »
you think I am having a meltdown? lol, I have been SPAMMING THIS BOARD for over 7 years now WITH MY RIDICULOUS IRONMAGAZINE.COM ICON AND USERNAME. :)

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #94 on: June 18, 2008, 01:34:29 PM »
I've got news for you...95% of the busienss we generate at BB.com doesn't come from aspiring BBers.

If so, why are they using YOU as a poster boy when 95% of the people that purchase products don't ever want to look like you??

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #95 on: June 18, 2008, 01:42:20 PM »
I've got news for you...95% of the busienss we generate at BB.com doesn't come from aspiring BBers.


Agreed.   So why would they (or supplement makers) spend money to have IFBB "pros" under contract, since there's no way it translates into enough increased revenue for them to justify the costs?
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Re: All drugs
« Reply #96 on: June 18, 2008, 01:59:12 PM »

Agreed.   So why would they (or supplement makers) spend money to have IFBB "pros" under contract, since there's no way it translates into enough increased revenue for them to justify the costs?

Are we in exact agreement on this one?

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #97 on: June 18, 2008, 02:01:16 PM »
Are we in exact agreement on this one?

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If we agree it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for supplement makers to put money into sponsoring IFBB "athletes" given that 95% of their customers are not into IFBB bodybuilding and could care less, then yes we are.
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Re: All drugs
« Reply #98 on: June 18, 2008, 02:06:39 PM »
You guys are so pathetic, the pros even without drugs would look better than you because of genetics, they have them, you don't have good genetics.  With gear you probably still wouldn't look as good as they do if they just worked out and ate right.  Then you add in drugs and they become even bigger, what an idiotic thread like Chic said, keep justifying your loserness.

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Re: All drugs
« Reply #99 on: June 18, 2008, 02:07:26 PM »
Are we in exact agreement on this one?

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Why does nike show basketball players in their commercials when so many of their customers are lazy asses who'll just end up wearing their nikes to work?