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U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« on: June 19, 2008, 07:09:47 PM »
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http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/20/america/20iran.php

WASHINGTON: Israel carried out a major military exercise earlier this month that American officials say appeared to be a rehearsal for a potential bombing attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

Several American officials said the Israeli exercise appeared to be an effort to develop the military's capacity to carry out long-range strikes and to demonstrate the seriousness with which Israel views Iran's nuclear program.

More than 100 Israeli F-16 and F-15 fighters participated in the maneuvers, which were carried out over the eastern Mediterranean and over Greece during the first week of June, American officials said.

The exercise also included Israeli helicopters that could be used to rescue downed pilots. The helicopters and refueling tankers flew more than 900 miles, which is about the same distance between Israel and Iran's uranium enrichment plant at Natanz, American officials said.

Israeli officials declined to discuss the details of the exercise. A spokesman for the Israeli military would say only that the country's air force "regularly trains for various missions in order to confront and meet the challenges posed by the threats facing Israel."

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But the scope of the Israeli exercise virtually guaranteed that it would be noticed by American and other foreign intelligence agencies. A senior Pentagon official who has been briefed on the exercise, and who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the political delicacy of the matter, said the exercise appeared to serve multiple purposes.

One Israeli goal, the Pentagon official said, was to practice flight tactics, aerial refueling and all other details of a possible strike against Iran's nuclear installations and its long-range conventional missiles.

A second, the official said, was to send a clear message to the United States and other countries that Israel was prepared to act militarily if diplomatic efforts to stop Iran from producing bomb-grade uranium continued to falter.

"They wanted us to know, they wanted the Europeans to know, and they wanted the Iranians to know," the Pentagon official said. "There's a lot of signaling going on at different levels."

Several American officials said they did not believe that the Israeli government had concluded that it must attack Iran and did not think that such a strike was imminent.

Shaul Mofaz, a former Israeli defense minister who is now a deputy prime minister, warned in a recent interview with the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot that Israel might have no choice but to attack. "If Iran continues with its program for developing nuclear weapons, we will attack," Mofaz said in the interview published on June 6, the day after the unpublicized exercise ended. "Attacking Iran, in order to stop its nuclear plans, will be unavoidable."

But Mofaz was criticized by other Israeli politicians as seeking to enhance his own standing as questions mount about whether the embattled Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, can hang on to power.

Israeli officials have told their American counterparts that Mofaz's statement does not represent official policy. But American officials were also told that Israel had prepared plans for striking nuclear targets in Iran and could carry them out if needed.

Iran has shown signs that it is taking the Israeli warnings seriously, by beefing up its air defenses in recent weeks, including increasing air patrols. In one instance, Iran scrambled F-4 jets to double-check an Iraqi civilian flight from Baghdad to Tehran.

"They are clearly nervous about this and have their air defense on guard," a Bush administration official said of the Iranians.

Any Israeli attack against Iran's nuclear facilities would confront a number of challenges. Many American experts say they believe that such an attack could delay but not eliminate Iran's nuclear program. Much of the program's infrastructure is buried under earth and concrete and installed in long tunnels or hallways, making precise targeting difficult. There is also concern that not all of the facilities have been detected. To inflict maximum damage, multiple attacks might be necessary, which many analysts say is beyond Israel's ability at this time.

But waiting also entails risks for the Israelis. Israeli officials have repeatedly expressed fears that Iran will soon master the technology it needs to produce substantial quantities of highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons.

Iran is also taking steps to better defend its nuclear facilities. Two sets of advance Russian-made radar systems were recently delivered to Iran. The radar will enhance Iran's ability to detect planes flying at low altitude.

Mike McConnell, the director of national intelligence, said in February that Iran was close to acquiring Russian-produced SA-20 surface-to-air missiles. American military officials said that the deployment of such systems would hamper Israel's attack planning, putting pressure on Israel to act before the missiles are fielded.


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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2008, 07:28:32 PM »
if we were gonna attack, it would have been last march when RUS predicted, when those soldiers got dumped in their waters to be wasted.

bush wouldn't attack now and turn the war over to obama to botch, would he? 

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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2008, 12:23:41 AM »

Any Israeli attack against Iran's nuclear facilities would confront a number of challenges. Many American experts say they believe that such an attack could delay but not eliminate Iran's nuclear program. Much of the program's infrastructure is buried under earth and concrete and installed in long tunnels or hallways, making precise targeting difficult. There is also concern that not all of the facilities have been detected. To inflict maximum damage, multiple attacks might be necessary, which many analysts say is beyond Israel's ability at this time.

Hmmm... interesting. How would one penetrate such a structure reinforced by so much earth and concrete?

Maybe the Israelis or their allies might want to consider the terrorists who blew a hole clean through many layers of the pentagon on 9/11. How fortunate for America that the bad guys chose that particular wall (if what I've been told is accurate) because it was the only wall that had major structural re-inforcements. Imagine, those stupid terrorists sent a missile ...oops, I meant plane into the structure, and those moronic goons choose the one wall that's been re-inforced.

What a bunch of idiots! They can control Norad, paralyze and confuse the entire NA defense mechanism, ...but can't even pick the right side of the building? Out of 5 possible sides, they pick not only the most reinforced side, ...but the ONLY few feet  of reinforced space that side had. And those re-inforcements had only just been completed too. lolol. Wow, murphy's law really did a number on them that day huh?  Can you imagine such careful planning being thwarted by murphy's law, ...unless of course, the terrorists wanted to see how big a whole, ...and how far into the depth of the structure their missile ...I mean plane would go, ...almost like some experiment.

Maybe the terrorists knew that side had structural re-inforcements, ...and they wanted to see how far they'd get, ...so they could gather that data? Why would terrorists want to know this you may ask? well, ...one possible reason could be so they could share with any other bad guys how deep underground their own facilities need to be in order to mitigate damage from any potential attack from righteous law abiding good guys? But more than likely, like all nasty terrorists, they were just gathering data for the time when they turn on and become enemies with their former friends. Alot of the world's terrorists and bullies started out as friends ya know, ...but then some sort of rift occurs... The terrorists were probably using the re-inforced pentagon wall as an experiment to gather data for possible future operations.

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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2008, 03:26:49 AM »
Maybe the Israelis or their allies might want to consider the terrorists who blew a hole clean through many layers of the pentagon on 9/11. How fortunate for America that the bad guys chose that particular wall (if what I've been told is accurate) because it was the only wall that had major structural re-inforcements. Imagine, those stupid terrorists sent a missile ...oops, I meant plane into the structure, and those moronic goons choose the one wall that's been re-inforced.

You made this point, so could you be kind enough to explain how the walls of an building is comparable to hundreds of feet of rocky earth?
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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2008, 04:45:09 AM »
You made this point, so could you be kind enough to explain how the walls of an building is comparable to hundreds of feet of rocky earth?

bunkerbusters.


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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 06:47:09 AM »
If the Israeli's are going to send in 100 planes I would imagine they would ensure that they never have to go back...maybe slinga nuclear tipped bunkerbuster. That would shut the rest of the ragheads up.
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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 09:17:58 AM »
If the Israeli's are going to send in 100 planes I would imagine they would ensure that they never have to go back...maybe slinga nuclear tipped bunkerbuster. That would shut the rest of the ragheads up.

It's only a matter of time.  Iran will have nukes.  We must decide how we want to deal with that and determine what we can and cannot do.

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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 09:21:44 AM »
If Iran would have shut up...none of this would be an issue. They are continuing to push Israel to far and they will pay for it.
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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 09:26:12 AM »
If Iran would have shut up...none of this would be an issue. They are continuing to push Israel to far and they will pay for it.

Dude, you sound like an uneducated red neck on the play ground.

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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 10:15:01 AM »
Good.

Israel will handle the worlds business instead of us having to do it.

The US will condemn the attack publicly but be happy about it privately.


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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 10:16:46 AM »
No skin off our backs. Let those douche bags kill each other. Let the CIA and special forces fight a proxy war alongside Israel.

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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 10:19:50 AM »
No skin off our backs. Let those douche bags kill each other. Let the CIA and special forces fight a proxy war alongside Israel.

I like it.

That way everyone wins! 


Seriously.

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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2008, 10:28:12 AM »
Dude, you sound like an uneducated red neck on the play ground.
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I do huh, maybe ur too thick urself to figure out what I ment. First off if I'm trying to buildnukes, I'm not going to shoot my mouth off about the 1 country crazy enough to smoke me in an atomic cloud. Amedinijad didn't do that...2nd I wouldn't say a thing about my program to anybody and let sleeping dogs lie. Nope he can't do that either. Now he has a problem.
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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2008, 10:32:09 AM »




I do huh, maybe ur too thick urself to figure out what I ment. First off if I'm trying to buildnukes, I'm not going to shoot my mouth off about the 1 country crazy enough to smoke me in an atomic cloud. Amedinijad didn't do that...2nd I wouldn't say a thing about my program to anybody and let sleeping dogs lie. Nope he can't do that either. Now he has a problem.



I'm just telling you the mentality level of your statement. 

All that's going on right now is saber rattling.  I'm surprised your head isn't "thin" enough to see that.    ;) :D ;D

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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2008, 10:35:35 AM »
Saber rattling happened oer the last few weeks....putting 100 planes with AWACS and refuelers over the Med is called practice.  ;)
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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2008, 10:40:03 AM »
Saber rattling happened oer the last few weeks....putting 100 planes with AWACS and refuelers over the Med is called practice.  ;)

Still saber rattling.  The only difference is, Israel showed some sword. 

Kind of like 2 guys on the play ground getting in an argument, and then one of them showing the other his knife.

BFD.   However, message delivered to IRAN.

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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2008, 10:48:51 AM »
If he shuts up..i would agree...but it was a very expensive knife.
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Re: U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2008, 10:59:16 AM »
If he shuts up..i would agree...but it was a very expensive knife.

But very sharp.

Although a strike by Israel might not be good in the long run, as Iran will have nukes.  Nothing can stop that.

And i think Israel knows that.