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Broncaid question
« on: June 21, 2008, 09:40:12 AM »
Okay when I went overseas I got some before I left to take on the plane with me since I have mild asthma and didnt want the hassle of trying to pass my inhaler through security.  Now I'm thinking of using them for fat loss since my vacation was pretty rough on my body, no working out, bad food, and beer every day for 2 weeks.

Question:  how many mg is suitable and safe for fat loss?

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2008, 10:02:38 AM »
Anywhere between 25 to 100.  Just use what you need.  Start at 25 and work your way up week by week.  Don't use 100 if 75 works well.

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2008, 10:14:45 AM »
Anywhere between 25 to 100.  Just use what you need.  Start at 25 and work your way up week by week.  Don't use 100 if 75 works well.

25 a day?  Just take it once a day?

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2008, 10:17:43 AM »
25 a day?  Just take it once a day?
right now im taking just once a day one hour pre workout. its my first week using it though, so ina week or so when i feel i need to bump it up then i will go to one in the morning and one post workout.

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2008, 10:25:23 AM »
25 a day?  Just take it once a day?

There's no need to start with a max dose with a product like Bronchaid.  At least not IMO.

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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2008, 08:44:29 AM »
Take half of a tab twice a day (one tab total for those that cannot add), and combine that with half a tab 2x daily of caffeine (NoDoz, Stay Awake, or whatever pills your local Rx sells). That's 200mg of caffeine daily, and 25mg of ephedrine daily.
Slowly increase (every other week, or every week) over time. I've been using the stuff for about 2 months now, and always take a day off once a week, and I'll often just take one "full dose" of 200mg Caffeine/ 25mg Ephedrine. Sort of a conscious staggered approach.
I've taken a lot more in the past (up to 400mg of caffeine 2x daily with Rockstars to wash it down), but see no need to currently do so. 

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2008, 10:41:46 AM »
I take 4 a day now. 2 at breakfast and 2 at lunch. Anything more than that just won't do anything IMO. I take it now more for breathing purposes than fat loss(its actual intended purpose).For anyone that gets a stuffy nose from dry areas, this stuff is a God send. I can actually breathe now for the first time in a long time.  ;D

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2008, 07:40:06 AM »
I take 4 a day now. 2 at breakfast and 2 at lunch. Anything more than that just won't do anything IMO. I take it now more for breathing purposes than fat loss(its actual intended purpose).For anyone that gets a stuffy nose from dry areas, this stuff is a God send. I can actually breathe now for the first time in a long time.  ;D

this shit is golden for allergies and asthma, probably the best drug avalible.

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2008, 04:46:59 PM »
this shit is golden for allergies and asthma, probably the best drug avalible.

Yeah thats why I originally bought it for my asthma, figured might as well get the extra benefits from it as well.  I'll start off with one a day for now and go from there.  Following the directions you could take up to 6 a day!  I wonder how many people with asthma are using that amount and wondering why they are losing weight.

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2008, 07:54:47 PM »
Is this stuff prescription?

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2008, 09:20:44 PM »
Is this stuff prescription?
nope ! just gotta be 18 and have a valid gov. issue i.d.

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2008, 01:34:51 PM »
 Anyone still dose with asprain? I know asprain is thought to slow muscle gain, but it also (supposedly) keeps the ephedrine active longer in the blood stream. It was a staple of the EC stack when it first became mainstream ("ECA stack"). I definitely made the greatest fat loss when I dosed it this way. I feel the repartitioning effect of the stack midigates any reduced muscle gain from the extra asprain.
   I haven't ran it this way in a long time, but I think I will start again. I also drank a lot of grapefruit juice at the time, it was also supposed to keep the stimulant active longer as well. The downside with this regimen is the increase side effects and jitters, at least that is how it seemed at the time.

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2008, 02:05:11 PM »
nope ! just gotta be 18 and have a valid gov. issue i.d.
its availible in the states? i was online last night looking to buy some vasopro, is that comparable? legal to buy?

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2008, 04:39:57 PM »
its availible in the states? i was online last night looking to buy some vasopro, is that comparable? legal to buy?

Go to any Walgreens, Longs or CVS (I've only seen it at Walgreens where I'm at) and you can buy it where they keep the inhalers and chapstick type stuff. You pick a 4x5 blue and white card off the shelf and take it to your pharmacist and then they'll ring you up.

http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jsp?CATID=100092&navAction=jump&navCount=0&skuid=sku352730&id=prod352729

The above is similar, but at half the does. I prefer the Bronkaid though.

http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=Bronkaid&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2008, 04:51:08 PM »
Anyone still dose with asprain? I know asprain is thought to slow muscle gain, but it also (supposedly) keeps the ephedrine active longer in the blood stream. It was a staple of the EC stack when it first became mainstream ("ECA stack"). I definitely made the greatest fat loss when I dosed it this way. I feel the repartitioning effect of the stack midigates any reduced muscle gain from the extra asprain.
   I haven't ran it this way in a long time, but I think I will start again. I also drank a lot of grapefruit juice at the time, it was also supposed to keep the stimulant active longer as well. The downside with this regimen is the increase side effects and jitters, at least that is how it seemed at the time.
aspirin is not thought to slow muscle growth. nsaids are (advil tylenol ibuprofn). totally different. aspirin is not included to stop muscle pain.

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Mechanism of effect in weight loss
The effects of the ECA stack in weight loss are primarily due to the ephedrine component. Ephedrine acts both as a beta agonist and stimulates the release of norepinephrine. Increased circulating norepinephrine in the body then acts on white adipose tissue by increasing cAMP levels. This causes a thermogenic effect, raising body temperature and increasing the user's metabolism in conjunction with the rest of the stack.

However, the body's negative feedback system then activates to normalize the metabolism. This is done via the production of phosphodiesterase inside the cells, and prostaglandins outside the cell, which both lower cAMP levels within the cell.

Caffeine inhibits the production of phosphodiesterase inside the cell and therefore slows cAMP breakdown. It also binds with and competitively inhibits adenosine receptors in the brain, triggering the release of epinephrine and increasing cAMP levels further.

Aspirin inhibits prostaglandin production outside of the cells, which, in conjunction with caffeine, greatly prolongs the thermogenic effects and increased metabolism by sustaining elevated cAMP levels.

Ephedrine also has an anorectic, or appetite-suppressing, effect. However, these effects only last for about two weeks if the stack is not cycled, as the body becomes tolerant to ephedrine to some degree.[citation needed] It is estimated that 60%–75% of the weight loss from using the ECA stack comes from the anorectic effect, and the remainder from thermogenesis.

The final component in weight loss of the ECA stack is that of a simple stimulant; the higher epinephrine and norepinephrine levels result in increased aerobic exercise performance and less fatigue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECA_stack

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2008, 05:30:12 PM »
Go to any Walgreens, Longs or CVS (I've only seen it at Walgreens where I'm at) and you can buy it where they keep the inhalers and chapstick type stuff. You pick a 4x5 blue and white card off the shelf and take it to your pharmacist and then they'll ring you up.
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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2008, 10:04:38 AM »
aspirin is not thought to slow muscle growth. nsaids are (advil tylenol ibuprofn). totally different. aspirin is not included to stop muscle pain.



But asprain is still an NSAID, no?

anyway, not like a diet is a muscle gaining time, so I supose it doesn't matter

"Aspirin was the first-discovered member of the class of drugs known as non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) , not all of which are salicylates, although they all have similar effects and most have some mechanism of action which involves non-selective inhibition of the enzyme cyclooxygenase. Today, aspirin is one of the most widely used medications in the world, with an estimated 40,000 metric tons of it being consumed each year.[5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin


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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2008, 03:46:59 PM »
But asprain is still an NSAID, no?

anyway, not like a diet is a muscle gaining time, so I supose it doesn't matter

"Aspirin was the first-discovered member of the class of drugs known as non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) , not all of which are salicylates, although they all have similar effects and most have some mechanism of action which involves non-selective inhibition of the enzyme cyclooxygenase. Today, aspirin is one of the most widely used medications in the world, with an estimated 40,000 metric tons of it being consumed each year.[5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin



yes it is, one issue i have with all this stim use is adrenal issues wrt constant catecholamine released induced by the ECA, over time your body will down regulate(lower its receptors) and tolerance will occur, pushing it more will lead to adrenal insufficiency which is not a legitamite disorder but is a cluster of real symptoms that involves low cortisol and poor stress management.

i would advise everyone to take some time off of stims and/rotate them in cycling fashions.

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2008, 01:05:16 PM »
I went to the local drug store and they said bronkaid and similar products now required a perscription. they said it changed two weeks ago. anyone aware of this?

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2008, 03:12:46 PM »
Where is "local?"

My grocery's pharmacy still had it out OTC not more than 3 days ago. Then again, my town is a little behind the times. ::)

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2008, 03:58:31 PM »
Where is "local?"

My grocery's pharmacy still had it out OTC not more than 3 days ago. Then again, my town is a little behind the times. ::)
Im in Honolulu, Hawaii right now. are you in the states? i figured if its controlled now then it would be the same everywhere? could i still buy it online?

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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2008, 04:31:18 PM »
Im in Honolulu, Hawaii right now. are you in the states? i figured if its controlled now then it would be the same everywhere? could i still buy it online?

Here you go:

http://www.amazon.com/Bronkaid-Caplets-60/dp/B000FVY4BA/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1214868588&sr=8-1
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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2008, 04:35:08 PM »
Bronkaid. LOL.   I still get true Ephedrine here,  Yellow Bombers.  300mg Caf. and 27mg Eph.   open it up and take half in AM and half in PM.  Good stuff.. ;)
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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2008, 04:41:36 PM »
Bronkaid. LOL.   I still get true Ephedrine here,  Yellow Bombers.  300mg Caf. and 27mg Eph.   open it up and take half in AM and half in PM.  Good stuff.. ;)
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Re: Broncaid question
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2008, 04:42:37 PM »
ACUTALLY, I live in San Diego.  That's in the U.S. for you that didn't finish first grade.
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