A lot refer to peolple who don't juice as clean -

[Stark]

So are people who do juice dirty?

[Samourai Pizzacat]

wrong, clean refers to folks that have been using whatever, but are not 'on' now.

natural refers to someone that's never used any doping/drugs in his life.

[dr_para24]

wrong, clean refers to folks that have been using whatever, but are not 'on' now.

natural refers to someone that's never used any doping/drugs in his life.

Someone told me before, as long as you are out of juice for 9months you are consider as natural?

[Samourai Pizzacat]

might be a rule in regards to entering 'natural' contests, do not that there's natural  and 'natural' and "natural".

[XFACTOR]

I juiced three years ago, and made some good gains, albeit water weight.  I don't think I'd be where I am size and strength wise.

I don't really care though what people would classify me as natural or not.  Makes no difference.

[Ron]

So if you test, and you come out clean, does this make you natural? How long do you have to be off to be considered natural?

[Mr. Cortisol]

So if you test, and you come out clean, does this make you natural? How long do you have to be off to be considered natural?

once you use, you're never natural again.  you've allowed your body to be bigger and better thru gear.

Ronnie coleman could take 3 years off the gear.  he'd still be bigger and better than had he not used gear for 20 years.  So Ronnie can never be natural again.  He's just clean.

[Bluto]

[TrueGrit]

So if you test, and you come out clean, does this make you natural? How long do you have to be off to be considered natural?

Ron, you used to juice ..

[The Master]

Hey STORK

[chainsaw]

So if you test, and you come out clean, does this make you natural? How long do you have to be off to be considered natural?

I would say 6 months.  If keep anything after 6 months, it will probbly
be permanent.

[Croatch]

I don't think time determines anything on this classification.  If ANY of your current gains are from drug use, I'd say you're clean.  If you go from A-B without drugs, I'd say natural.
Guy 1: Juices, puts on 20lbs, keeps 10lbs...2 years later, maybe puts on another 5lbs....this guy would be clean.
Guy2: Juices, puts on 20lbs, loses 30lbs after and stops training for a few years.  Starts up, puts on 20lbs himself.  I'd consider him natural.
Turns out, I'm more like guy #2.
What matters is how you feel about your own gains, regardless of how you got them.  If you take pride in taking drugs and putting on 10 easy pounds, you expect less from yourself than I do...that's all.

[no one]

So are people who do juice dirty?

no just bigger, stronger and better than any natural you can think of.

[MisterMagoo]

So if you test, and you come out clean, does this make you natural? How long do you have to be off to be considered natural?

the ADAU (a powerlifting fed), requires 60 months without drug use. there's a good starting place.

[Captain Equipoise]

I don't think time determines anything on this classification.  If ANY of your current gains are from drug use, I'd say you're clean.  If you go from A-B without drugs, I'd say natural.
Guy 1: Juices, puts on 20lbs, keeps 10lbs...2 years later, maybe puts on another 5lbs....this guy would be clean.
Guy2: Juices, puts on 20lbs, loses 30lbs after and stops training for a few years.  Starts up, puts on 20lbs himself.  I'd consider him natural.
Turns out, I'm more like guy #2.
What matters is how you feel about your own gains, regardless of how you got them.  If you take pride in taking drugs and putting on 10 easy pounds, you expect less from yourself than I do...that's all.

This bullshit again... so tell me Croatch, do you hunt and kill your own food too ?... do you walk to work because technically using a car or modern transportation is cheating yourself... do you denounce hospitals and modern medicine as well ?

[Cleanest Natural]

I juiced three years ago, and made some good gains, albeit water weight.  I don't think I'd be where I am size and strength wise.

I don't really care though what people would classify me as natural or not.  Makes no difference.

[Croatch]

This bullshit again... so tell me Croatch, do you hunt and kill your own food too ?... do you walk to work because technically using a car or modern transportation is cheating yourself... do you denounce hospitals and modern medicine as well ?

Do me a favor, make sense in your next post.
Thanks