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The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« on: June 27, 2008, 08:36:32 AM »
A Powell endorsement?


The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
 

By Robert D. Novak
Thursday, June 26, 2008; Page A19

What is an "Obamacon?" The phrase surfaced in January to describe British conservatives entranced by Barack Obama. On March 13 the American Spectator broadened the term to cover all "conservative supporters" of the Democratic presidential candidate. Their ranks, though growing, feature few famous people. But looming on the horizon are two big potential Obamacons: Colin Powell and Chuck Hagel.

Neither Powell, first-term secretary of state for George W. Bush, nor Hagel, retiring after two terms as a U.S. senator from Nebraska, has endorsed Obama. Hagel probably never will. Powell probably will enter Obama's camp at a time of his own choosing. The best bet is that neither of the two, both of whom supported President Bush in 2000 and 2004, will back John McCain in 2008.

Powell, Hagel and lesser-known Obamacons harbor no animosity toward McCain. Nor do they show much affection for the rigidly liberal Obama. The Obamacon syndrome is based on hostility to Bush and his administration and on revulsion over today's Republican Party. The danger for McCain is that desire for a therapeutic electoral bloodbath could get out of control.

That danger was highlighted in a June New Republic article on "The rise of the Obamacons" by supply-side economist Bruce Bartlett, who was a middle-level official in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations. He expressed "disgust with a Republican Party that still does not see how badly George W. Bush has misgoverned this country" -- echoing his scathing 2006 book, "Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy." While Bartlett says "I'm not ready to join the other side," his anti-Bush furor characterizes the Obamacons.


The prototypal Obamacon may be Larry Hunter, recognized inside the Beltway as an ardent supply-sider. When it became known recently that Hunter supports Obama, fellow conservatives were stunned. Hunter was fired as U.S. Chamber of Commerce chief economist in 1993 when he would not swallow Clinton administration policy, and he later joined Jack Kemp at Empower America (ghostwriting Kemp's column). Explaining his support for the uncompromisingly liberal Obama, Hunter blogged on June 6: "The Republican Party is a dead rotting carcass with a few decrepit old leaders stumbling around like zombies in a horror version of 'Weekend With Bernie,' handcuffed to a corpse."

While he never would use such language, Colin Powell is said by friends to share Hunter's analysis of the GOP. His tenuous 13-year relationship with the Republican Party, following his retirement from the Army, has ended. The national security adviser for Ronald Reagan left the present administration bitter about being ushered out of the State Department a year earlier than he wanted. As an African American, friends say, Powell is sensitive to racial attacks on Obama and especially on Obama's wife, Michelle. While McCain strategists shrug off defections from Bruce Bartlett and Larry Hunter, they wince in anticipating headlines generated by Powell's expected endorsement of Obama.

While Powell may not be a legitimate Obamacon because he never was much of a conservative, that cannot be said for his close Senate friend Hagel. He has built a solidly conservative record as a senator, but mutual friends see no difference between him and the general on Iraq, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, George W. Bush and the Republican Party. In a speech today at the Brookings Institution, Hagel is expected to urge Obama and McCain to reach out to each other. At the least, Hagel is not ready to strap on armor for his longtime political ally and office neighbor, John McCain.

Reports listing additional Obamacons do not add up to tides of conservative Republicans leaving their party. Former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker is a Democrat who entered government in the Kennedy administration. Conservative commentator Armstrong Williams (an African American) leads me to believe that he has no intention of endorsing Obama. Conservative author Richard J. Whalen is for Obama because he sees a dead Republican Party, but he also was for John Kerry in 2004.

Nevertheless, Obamacons -- little and big -- are reason for concern by McCain. They also should cause soul-searching at the Bush White House about who made the Republican Party so difficult a place for Republicans to stay.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/25/AR2008062501942.html

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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2008, 08:41:23 AM »
It's kind of funny that there are quite a few little possiblilities popping up that would probably make Obama nearly unstopable and the response from the McCain camp is, "well if there's another major attack, we'll jump way ahead of Obama"  LOL, that's just wrong....

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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2008, 08:45:33 AM »
The Obamacon syndrome is based on hostility to Bush and his administration and on revulsion over today's Republican Party. The danger for McCain is that desire for a therapeutic electoral bloodbath could get out of control.

The party will change...when we get back to conservative principles...away from big government and some of the other things Bush did. Let them go. McCain didn't endorse that guy and distanced himself from the statement.
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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2008, 09:22:53 AM »
The Obamacon syndrome is based on hostility to Bush and his administration and on revulsion over today's Republican Party. The danger for McCain is that desire for a therapeutic electoral bloodbath could get out of control.

The party will change...when we get back to conservative principles...away from big government and some of the other things Bush did. Let them go. McCain didn't endorse that guy and distanced himself from the statement.

it's healty, there should be consequences for a parties actions.  Members of any party should ask themselves if it's political suicide to write a blank check for everywhere the party goes.  If they don't like it, maybe some of these guys should have said, whoa, this isn't a good idea Mr. President.  Only a few did that and one is being considered for Obama's vice president. and yes, it should go for dems too.

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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008, 09:35:54 AM »
Yeah but Powell Didn't do enough....he should have quit before the UN. He may endorse Obama, but thats it. He's ruined politically. More people should have roped Bush back in on alot of his domestic policies. With the control of Congress they should have cut all kinds of crap, rolled back foreign aid, began a real energy policy, Began drilling, alot of shit.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2008, 09:41:33 AM »
Yeah but Powell Didn't do enough....he should have quit before the UN. He may endorse Obama, but thats it. He's ruined politically. More people should have roped Bush back in on alot of his domestic policies. With the control of Congress they should have cut all kinds of crap, rolled back foreign aid, began a real energy policy, Began drilling, alot of shit.
he's still a hero to a lot of the right.  Who cares what his endorsement means to a lefty, the point is what will it mean to the middle and right.  It would mean McCain losing some people.

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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2008, 11:17:27 AM »
The Obamacon syndrome is based on hostility to Bush and his administration and on revulsion over today's Republican Party. The danger for McCain is that desire for a therapeutic electoral bloodbath could get out of control.

The party will change...when we get back to conservative principles...away from big government and some of the other things Bush did. Let them go. McCain didn't endorse that guy and distanced himself from the statement.


Bush and McCain are both Neo Conservatives.
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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2008, 11:32:18 AM »
McCain isn't even close to being a Neo...did u just hear of this guy or something. Do u understand what a Neo is as opposed to a conservative.
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2008, 11:42:10 AM »
McCain isn't even close to being a Neo...did u just hear of this guy or something. Do u understand what a Neo is as opposed to a conservative.
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Reality Check for HH6... Who's camp do you think all the Neocons jumped in ;) You better re-check that list of who's in McCain's camp.  They've got their foot in the door, what do you think will happen if he wins.  The neocon crowd will reform.  ABSOLUTE TRUTH THERE BUBBA.  McCain IS the man for the neocons.  They have to have some avenue of maintaining control and I guarntee they don't see that in Obama.

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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2008, 11:53:06 AM »
Yeah...McCain isn't now nor has he ever been a Neocon...just because u use some beep beeps doesn't make it so. Neo's aren't about to vote for or support a guy who panders to the UN and Europe....so who would they go for. Sort of a blinding flash of the obvious. Good catch Hugo..wow ur on it ::)
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2008, 11:58:15 AM »
Yeah...McCain isn't now nor has he ever been a Neocon...just because u use some beep beeps doesn't make it so. Neo's aren't about to vote for or support a guy who panders to the UN and Europe....so who would they go for. Sort of a blinding flash of the obvious. Good catch Hugo..wow ur on it ::)
What the fuck difference does that make when they've weaved their way into advisory positions encompassing the man... ZERO BUCK, ZERO!!!  If you are sick of neocons, McCain is not your man.  sorry that news sucks, but it's fact.

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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2008, 11:59:44 AM »
McCain isn't even close to being a Neo...did u just hear of this guy or something. Do u understand what a Neo is as opposed to a conservative.

Mccain is being called a flipflopper bcause he changed many positions in the last 6 months, from moderate, to neoconservate.

"I have always supported teh Bush tax cuts" - remember he said that this year?
This was after hating on them from 2001 thru 2007.

There are lots of examples like that.  He has changed positions.  I loved the guy and would likely vote for him - then suddenly he chnages all his positions and can't stop kissing bush's ass on every policy in the last year.  Why?  Cause he wants Bush fundraiser $.  Maybe he'll be independent again once in office.  Maybe not.  How can we know?

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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2008, 11:59:54 AM »
Yeah...McCain isn't now nor has he ever been a Neocon...just because u use some beep beeps doesn't make it so. Neo's aren't about to vote for or support a guy who panders to the UN and Europe....so who would they go for. Sort of a blinding flash of the obvious. Good catch Hugo..wow ur on it ::)
you need to read what I wrote, I didn't say McCain was a neocon.  I will say he WILL do their bidding, you just fracking watch.  they're buddy buddy.  Sad fact but true.

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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2008, 12:01:45 PM »
Supporting the war in Iraq doesn't make him a neo...nor tax cuts...tax cuts?
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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2008, 12:02:34 PM »
He has also adopted neoconservative views in the Iraq war area and foriegn policy so he is indeed listening to the maniacs.  Makes sence, why would you hire people you're not going to listen to...  He has many neocons working with him now.  Like I said HH, they have their foot in the door.  sorry, I know it sucks.  neocons suck.

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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2008, 12:03:15 PM »
Supporting the war in Iraq doesn't make him a neo...nor tax cuts...tax cuts?
no fucking shit... take off the blinders and read what we're saying...  You can't lalalalala past this one. 

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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2008, 12:05:14 PM »
Dude...look at the idiots now surrounding Obama....its the dream team of past foreign policy failures....Atleast the Neo agenda doesn't kick the can down the road.
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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2008, 12:08:10 PM »
Dude...look at the idiots now surrounding Obama....its the dream team of past foreign policy failures....Atleast the Neo agenda doesn't kick the can down the road.
:-\  If you're going to own it, then fucking own it... Neocon... traitor....

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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2008, 12:11:06 PM »
oh, LOLFUCKINGLOL at the idea Obama would be worse than more neocon bullshit... you must really hate negros to say something like that.

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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2008, 12:12:50 PM »
I knew I could push u into a race card remark...how terribly Liberal of u. Good job.
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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2008, 12:17:31 PM »
lol at the last two posts  ;D
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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2008, 12:17:56 PM »
I knew I could push u into a race card remark...how terribly Liberal of u. Good job.
I'm trying to guess bud.  I know the race thing is an option based on past admissions you've made for other races.  You HAVE ALSO CAME UNGLUED ON NEOCONS BEFORE.... so you can't blame me for wondering WTF at your response to a very unpleasant revelation on McCain and Neocons.  Oh I guess there is always the team player thing.  You could be just locked in to your party like they're the patriots.  Plenty of that sickness going around. 

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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2008, 12:28:16 PM »
Dude..McCain is a borderline dem...he supports the war in Iraq because we have troops in combat. The Neocons were Libs that had some kind of awaking in the late 80's and 90's...Bill Kristol etc. Oh so what..the neo's are flocking to Mccain...what choice do they have....so what.
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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2008, 12:37:56 PM »
Dude..McCain is a borderline dem...he supports the war in Iraq because we have troops in combat. The Neocons were Libs that had some kind of awaking in the late 80's and 90's...Bill Kristol etc. Oh so what..the neo's are flocking to Mccain...what choice do they have....so what.
lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!  so we all fucking hate their psycho ideas, thats what!!!!!!!!!!  haha....  priceless...

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Re: The Obamacons Who Worry McCain
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2008, 12:42:37 PM »
The neo's attacked without a plan while the Libs whine, cajol and kick the can down the road for somebody else to deal with. Neither is a solution...look at Afghanistan and now the North Korean thing as how to deal with situations that arrise. Invade if u have to....stong diplomacy if u have to. Iraq is Iraq and we've beaten that horse to death. We are winning and hopefully will exit by 2011 with a stable Iraqi government able to defend itself.
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