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Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles
« on: June 27, 2008, 08:40:22 AM »
U want pandering and grand standing read this......From the Washington Post no less.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008032301706.html?sid=ST2008032401106

After weeks of arduous negotiations, on April 6, 2006, a bipartisan group of senators burst out of the "President's Room," just off the Senate chamber, with a deal on new immigration policy.

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As the half-dozen senators -- including John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) -- headed to announce their plan, they met Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who made a request common when Capitol Hill news conferences are in the offing: "Hey, guys, can I come along?" And when Obama went before the microphones, he was generous with his list of senators to congratulate -- a list that included himself.

"I want to cite Lindsey Graham, Sam Brownback, Mel Martinez, Ken Salazar, myself, Dick Durbin, Joe Lieberman . . . who've actually had to wake up early to try to hammer this stuff out," he said.


To Senate staff members, who had been arriving for 7 a.m. negotiating sessions for weeks, it was a galling moment. Those morning sessions had attracted just three to four senators a side, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) recalled, each deeply involved in the issue. Obama was not one of them. But in a presidential contest involving three sitting senators, embellishment of legislative records may be an inevitability, Specter said with a shrug........


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Re: Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2008, 08:41:10 AM »
Even other Dems know he's a lightweight.

With colleagues in Congress quick to claim credit where it is due, word moves quickly when undue credit is claimed.

"If it happens once or twice, you let it go," said Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.), an Obama supporter. "If it becomes the mantra, then you go, 'Wait a minute.' "

Immigration is a case in point for Obama, but not the only one. In 2007, after the first comprehensive immigration bill had died, the senators were back at it, and again, Obama was notably absent, staffers and senators said. At one meeting, three key negotiators recalled, he entered late and raised a number of questions about the bill's employment verification system. Kennedy and Specter both rebuked him, saying that the issue had already been resolved and that he was coming late to the discussion. Kennedy dressed him down, according to witnesses, and Obama left shortly thereafter.

"Senator Obama came in late, brought up issues that had been hashed and rehashed," Specter recalled. "He didn't stay long."

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Re: Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2008, 08:43:46 AM »
a lightweight like obama is leading in polls.

not because he's so great.

but because he's the opposite of bush, the father figure who tells you things will be done his way, and he doesn't give a shit what you think. 

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Re: Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2008, 08:48:57 AM »
He's leading in the polls because the media has given him a pass. Just wait they'll get board. Obama is considered pretty damm arrogant among all the media. There is plenty there to sink ur teeth into if u want it.
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Re: Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008, 08:53:31 AM »
They are pretty much in a dead heat in the polls.  Many of them are within the margin of error.  Obama got a small bump from winning the nomination.  Things will probably tighten up even more as we get close to the election.

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Re: Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2008, 08:57:54 AM »
Yes but not much as the Conventions are back to back......usually u have time but the media will have to go from one to the other, leaving no time fro extended fawning.

Some thoughts from National Review.

Democrats won control of the House and Senate in 2006. You didn’t hear many conservatives or Republicans pledging to move abroad because they found the leadership so unacceptable.....


I was pleased earlier this week when I noticed Barack Obama's love letter to town hall meetings in his book, The Audacity of Hope, and expressed the audacious hope that he might show up for one with John McCain some day besides July 4.

Well, it sounds like the editors of the Washington Post also find Obama's counter-proposal ridiculous, and completely contradictory to his previous "anytime, anywhere" debate pledges.

The sooner the sniping stops and the serious discussion starts, the better off the country will be — and the best way to achieve that would be for the candidates to meet, one-on-one, as often as possible. Mr. McCain's proposal to hold weekly town hall meetings was — as the Obama campaign said — "appealing." That was more than three weeks ago. Since then, the Obama campaign has countered with the offer of a single town hall meeting, on nobody-will-be-watching July 4, and a second debate on foreign policy — this in addition to the three traditional fall debates. Mr. Obama has written that "one of my favorite tasks of being a senator is hosting town hall meetings." He launched his campaign decrying "the ease with which we're distracted by the petty and trivial." Now, he should seize the opportunity to practice the change he preaches.

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Re: Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2008, 08:58:53 AM »
Another question I'd like to know...what has this guy really done to need TWO friggen autobiographies.
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Re: Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2008, 08:59:42 AM »
They are pretty much in a dead heat in the polls. 

That's actually pretty wrong.  You might 'feel' that way, but the sites that collect the aggregate of all the polls say otherwise.

The average of nationwide polls have Obama by 4.7 points.
http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Pres-GE-MvO.php

While polls don't mean much, and there will be a lot of changes in the coming months, your statement that "They are pretty much in a dead heat in the polls" isn't supported by any evidence.  You will likely now share ONE poll from Gallup that shows them knotted at 44%, but that one has proven to be the outlier, not the norm.  



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Re: Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2008, 09:03:49 AM »
The margin of error is typically about 4 or 5 percent, so even assuming the average is 4.7, that equals a dead heat.  Many of the polls are within the margin of error.   

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Re: Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2008, 09:07:03 AM »
True...only Newsweeks is outa wack.
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Re: Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2008, 09:10:03 AM »
Via HotAir, a new Time poll shows Obama leading McCain by five points--which is almost exactly where an average of polls at Pollster.com and Real Clear Politics show the race. Obama's bounce is real, and he may not be done bouncing, but the Newsweek and LA Times polls showing Obama up 15 points and 12 points, respectively, certainly appear to have been off.

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Re: Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2008, 09:15:35 AM »
Via HotAir, a new Time poll shows Obama leading McCain by five points--which is almost exactly where an average of polls at Pollster.com and Real Clear Politics show the race. Obama's bounce is real, and he may not be done bouncing, but the Newsweek and LA Times polls showing Obama up 15 points and 12 points, respectively, certainly appear to have been off.

Would you then say that the Gallup poll having them tied is off also?

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Re: Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2008, 09:46:01 AM »
No because its well within where most polls have em....If McCain came out 20 points up..I'd think it was crazy.
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